Magic Johnson
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Post by Magic Johnson on Jul 10, 2015 8:53:20 GMT
Since Jer asked which teams were in the sweepstakes for Gasol race this is what I had offered Gasol. This is what I offered Marc The Lakers would like to offer superstar Marc Gasol a 5 year deal for $167,452,915 dollars. Year 1: $27,428,372 Year 2: $30,171,201 Year 3: $33,188,321 Year 4: $36,507,153 Year 5: $40,157,868 Total: $167,452,915 And I haven't received a word from the PA since the initial response, every other PA I dealt with this offseason atleast gave constant updates such as whether the team was "STILL" in consideration or eliminated or what I needed to add, the only one that I did get a response from was for DeAndre and that was obvious since I offered him less then 100 million. Had to make slight correction "STILL" in contention.
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JR Wiles
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Post by JR Wiles on Jul 10, 2015 10:02:47 GMT
Since Jer asked which teams were in the sweepstakes for Gasol race this is what I had offered Gasol. This is what I offered Marc The Lakers would like to offer superstar Marc Gasol a 5 year deal for $167,452,915 dollars. Year 1: $27,428,372 Year 2: $30,171,201 Year 3: $33,188,321 Year 4: $36,507,153 Year 5: $40,157,868 Total: $167,452,915 And I haven't received a word from the PA since the initial response, every other PA I dealt with this offseason atleast gave constant updates such as whether the team was "STILL" in consideration or eliminated or what I needed to add, the only one that I did get a response from was for DeAndre and that was obvious since I offered him less then 100 million. Had to make slight correction "STILL" in contention. Even the Lakers had a shot at Gasol, but He signed with Milwaukee?? Really?? Even if he didn't sign with the Kings...he should have liked the Lakers offer...great Gm, Kobe, Winning Franchise. Something to me seems off!!!
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JR Wiles
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Post by JR Wiles on Jul 10, 2015 10:14:34 GMT
Once again we find out Glenn cheated. Why is it that he's demoted, but its never mentioned to the rest of us?? So he screws me over, cheats or vice versa and its all ok, while I've dealt with a bunch of bullshit over the last few seasons. No, I don't like Glenn..I thought he was a cheater.. And now o know its true!! Me honestly I think he should have been punished more severely!! It's should have been brought to the leagues attention but never was. Glenn is nothing but a cheater and now years later it all comes out... Too many times now have things seemed iffy about things... Not naming them all..but its just sickening to allow him to even be a gm. He screwed up the league, my team..once a cheater, always a cheater!!!
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JR Wiles
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Post by JR Wiles on Jul 10, 2015 10:24:14 GMT
Don't worry, Parsons hasn't resigned yet. Everyone else's big free agents sign except for the team that looks suspicious right now. Talked to Parson's player agent the first day of free agency. Been waiting to hear back on his offers. Why does that make me look suspicious? I have no control over free agents and where they go. If you lose Parsons for some odd reason, don't think it changes anything.... Once a cheater..Always a cheater... We don't need Cheaters in the league... And you wonder why I've gotten pissed off about this cheating asshole all these years. Anything he ever said about Duncan... Lies and lies and lies.... I think Ian and the rest made a bad decision not to mention Glenns cheating.... All my arguments about him cheating..not once did the truth about Glenn come out!! Glenn you are a fucking cheater bro...
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 10, 2015 12:56:29 GMT
Let me say three things and I want all of you to read! 1. VLADE RESCINDED HIS OFFER SO, DID ALEX MADE THE WRONG DECISION? NO! THAT IS THE ONLY CHOICE LEFT. WHAT DO YOU WANT HIM TO DO? BEG VLADE THAT HE DONT RESCIND? 2. SIGNING BETTER PLAYERS AND TRADING THE LESSER PLAYER IS HAPPENING IN REAL LIFE. SAS TRADED SPLITTER TO MAKE ROOM FOR LMA, PHX OFFERED A CONTRACT TO LMA EVEN THOUGH THEY DO NOT HAVE THE CAP SPACE YET. 3. FOR THOSE WHO ARE ACCUSING OTHERS OF CHEATING, YOU ARE NOT HELPING AT ALL. Enough said. They traded Splitter to make cap work. Not because Aldridge wanted to be the sole owner of the PF spot thats stupid. A big rotation of Timmy, Lma, and Splitter is great. They traded him for purely cap reasons.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 10, 2015 12:59:54 GMT
You people are stupid, you don't trade your already good players when you have space to just sign an extra good player.
The Cavs are gonna sign both Love and Thompson irl. They have Mosgov. You think Mosgov won't resign cause we have Andy Varejao? Give me a freaking break. Under normal circumstances Thompson would leave via free agency with Love there. But a star player coming in doesn't care about who is at his position already.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 10, 2015 13:10:43 GMT
Let me say three things and I want all of you to read! 1. VLADE RESCINDED HIS OFFER SO, DID ALEX MADE THE WRONG DECISION? NO! THAT IS THE ONLY CHOICE LEFT. WHAT DO YOU WANT HIM TO DO? BEG VLADE THAT HE DONT RESCIND? 2. SIGNING BETTER PLAYERS AND TRADING THE LESSER PLAYER IS HAPPENING IN REAL LIFE. SAS TRADED SPLITTER TO MAKE ROOM FOR LMA, PHX OFFERED A CONTRACT TO LMA EVEN THOUGH THEY DO NOT HAVE THE CAP SPACE YET. 3. FOR THOSE WHO ARE ACCUSING OTHERS OF CHEATING, YOU ARE NOT HELPING AT ALL. Enough said. They traded Splitter to make cap work. Not because Aldridge wanted to be the sole owner of the PF spot thats stupid. A big rotation of Timmy, Lma, and Splitter is great. They traded him for purely cap reasons. Cap is part of the reason but the position is also part of the reason. Let us not dwell too much yet on that part, now that I read that LAL have made an offer, I think Alex needs to explain better why he chooses MIL.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 10, 2015 13:34:34 GMT
Washington: Bad team to spend the rest of your career on. LAL: No one wants to play with Kobe, and they are getting ready to rebuild. He explained Dallas already.
Position had nothing to do with it.
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Kevin Hollis
Former Thunder GM for 7 years
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 10, 2015 15:09:51 GMT
You people are stupid, you don't trade your already good players when you have space to just sign an extra good player. The Cavs are gonna sign both Love and Thompson irl. They have Mosgov. You think Mosgov won't resign cause we have Andy Varejao? Give me a freaking break. Under normal circumstances Thompson would leave via free agency with Love there. But a star player coming in doesn't care about who is at his position already. A little difference between a broken down player who plays maybe 50 games a season compared to a young Drummond.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 10, 2015 15:41:58 GMT
You people are stupid, you don't trade your already good players when you have space to just sign an extra good player. The Cavs are gonna sign both Love and Thompson irl. They have Mosgov. You think Mosgov won't resign cause we have Andy Varejao? Give me a freaking break. Under normal circumstances Thompson would leave via free agency with Love there. But a star player coming in doesn't care about who is at his position already. A little difference between a broken down player who plays maybe 50 games a season compared to a young Drummond. The only reason Detroit doesn't sign a big name center is because they are rebuilding. But if out of nowhere Gasol said hey Van Gundy I wanna sign with Detroit he would and Drummond would stay on the team.
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Kevin Hollis
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 10, 2015 15:45:05 GMT
A little difference between a broken down player who plays maybe 50 games a season compared to a young Drummond. The only reason Detroit doesn't sign a big name center is because they are rebuilding. But if out of nowhere Gasol said hey Van Gundy I wanna sign with Detroit he would and Drummond would stay on the team. Or the fact that they both would play at the same time. Detroit doesn't have a PF and Drummond or Gasol would play it. Try again mother truckah.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 10, 2015 15:57:55 GMT
Even if Greg Monroe stayed. The reason the player of the same position gets moved is for cap reasons only.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 15:58:54 GMT
Even if Greg Monroe stayed. The reason the player of the same position gets moved is for cap reasons only. What a simple minded singular view of complex situation with many hidden variables.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 10, 2015 16:01:47 GMT
It is simple, why wouldn't you want MORE good players.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 16:02:12 GMT
It is simple, why wouldn't you want MORE good players. Because good players like to play.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 10, 2015 16:04:22 GMT
It is simple, why wouldn't you want MORE good players. Because good players like to play. Yeah, but Drummond wasn't gonna take minutes from Gasol. Drummond is on a rookie deal, who cares what he thinks when it comes to winning a title. He probably won't even leave cause he can get the biggest extension.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 10, 2015 16:04:53 GMT
I see both sides of this. I think Jeremiah's argument is valid but only for so long.
If a player is still relatively young, or at least young enough where he could go somewhere and help build upon what a team already has in place, and be one of the MAIN faces of the franchise and have plenty of touches, doesn't he probably do that instead of joining literally 6-7 legitimately established players and needing to find a place to fit in there?
Good players on your team is a good thing, but at some point, in some situations, it's actually too many. It's not that realistic a non-old/breaking down/ring chasing player would go somewhere that has a ton of talent at every position. IMO.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 10, 2015 16:06:06 GMT
Oh and I'm actually not thinking about Milwaukee specifically, though they more or less apply here too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 16:07:52 GMT
Because good players like to play. Yeah, but Drummond wasn't gonna take minutes from Gasol. Drummond is on a rookie deal, who cares what he thinks when it comes to winning a title. He probably won't even leave cause he can get the biggest extension. The player agent for drummond should DEMAND a trade.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 10, 2015 16:09:07 GMT
Yeah, but Drummond wasn't gonna take minutes from Gasol. Drummond is on a rookie deal, who cares what he thinks when it comes to winning a title. He probably won't even leave cause he can get the biggest extension. The player agent for drummond should DEMAND a trade. Agent doesn't care as long as drummond is making starters money. Why have Drummond who is still on a rookie deal become known as a complainer in the league.
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Spike Lee
Former Knicks GM
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Post by Spike Lee on Jul 10, 2015 16:45:45 GMT
are you implying players on rookie deals dont complain? they still have feelings too man.
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Spike Lee
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Post by Spike Lee on Jul 10, 2015 16:53:18 GMT
any way you slice it, the situation is a slap to the face of Drummond by the bucks. i also have a hard time believing this being a popular move a real life GM would make.
Jeremiah is right in a sense, why wouldn't you want MORE better players?
bc a move like this irl would ruin a teams chemistry and create a sense of disloyalty within the organization.
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Kevin Hollis
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 10, 2015 16:53:37 GMT
You are remarkably naïve if you think players only care about money and don't want to play. As you mentioned, the player's agent doesn't give a fuck about playing time because he isn't receiving a commission on their time played. What do agents have to do with what a player wants?
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 10, 2015 17:09:05 GMT
You are remarkably naïve if you think players only care about money and don't want to play. As you mentioned, the player's agent doesn't give a fuck about playing time because he isn't receiving a commission on their time played. What do agents have to do with what a player wants? Well in this league, and it has to be this way unless someone goes and gets in touch with every real life player and explains to them how this league works and explains all the rosters that currently exist in this league and not in real life..... in this league, the PA's have to be the "Agent" and the "Player". We're really "Player/Agents"
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Kevin Hollis
Former Thunder GM for 7 years
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 10, 2015 17:18:44 GMT
You are remarkably naïve if you think players only care about money and don't want to play. As you mentioned, the player's agent doesn't give a fuck about playing time because he isn't receiving a commission on their time played. What do agents have to do with what a player wants? Well in this league, and it has to be this way unless someone goes and gets in touch with every real life player and explains to them how this league works and explains all the rosters that currently exist in this league and not in real life..... in this league, the PA's have to be the "Agent" and the "Player". We're really "Player/Agents" I thought we were still talking about real life, as this was the nature of our discussion. I didn't think we were talking about D5 and, if so, isn't the goal of D5 to be as realistic as possible?
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 10, 2015 17:47:08 GMT
Well in this league, and it has to be this way unless someone goes and gets in touch with every real life player and explains to them how this league works and explains all the rosters that currently exist in this league and not in real life..... in this league, the PA's have to be the "Agent" and the "Player". We're really "Player/Agents" I thought we were still talking about real life, as this was the nature of our discussion. I didn't think we were talking about D5 and, if so, isn't the goal of D5 to be as realistic as possible? Oh, I dunno. Too much going on, if I'm not relevant in what I'm saying then ignore me. But yes, as much as we can be, we definitely strive to be realistic.
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JR Wiles
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Post by JR Wiles on Jul 11, 2015 2:59:56 GMT
1. Benefit of bitching about hard cap and then benefiting off the rule change check 2. Benefit of not full 3 year bird rights rule before Ian perma installed them to resign one of his players check 3. Waited conveniently for his free agent to return to his team before releasing his free agent signings to other team check. Definitely no agenda there, just pure coincidence it happened. Definitely not douchebaggery not at all guys it just happen to happen accidentally. Bump
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Chris Mullin
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Post by Chris Mullin on Jul 11, 2015 3:56:35 GMT
1. Benefit of bitching about hard cap and then benefiting off the rule change check 2. Benefit of not full 3 year bird rights rule before Ian perma installed them to resign one of his players check 3. Waited conveniently for his free agent to return to his team before releasing his free agent signings to other team check. Definitely no agenda there, just pure coincidence it happened. Definitely not douchebaggery not at all guys it just happen to happen accidentally. Bump What is this supposed to mean?
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 11, 2015 7:41:18 GMT
What is this supposed to mean? I'm also intrigued. Do elaborate Mr Magic Johnson!
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Magic Johnson
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Post by Magic Johnson on Jul 11, 2015 17:02:09 GMT
I'll gladly say it Ian, I am not saying boot the GM out, stop free agency or threatening myself to leave unlike in the Gasol situation.
point number 3 I already PM'ed you about it but I'll add something else below.
1. Isn't more rule change then anything, but compared to now where GMS have to keep 3 FULL calendar years for bird rights, resigning Harden without 3 bird rights competitive advantage over everyone else now, also no cap holds factor. (advantage DEN over other GMS) 2. Although Mr. Hill suggested the hard-cap MIA and DEN in particular absolutely went insane over the "amount" you'd think they wanted one time amnesty over it but there was a 6 page discussion over that hardcap length and the percentage amount for each year. (again advantage DEN over other GMS). 3. Now to point 3 which I explained to you in PM.
I gave you the screenshot when I got response back from the SF PA for PG that area no problem standard consistent. Here is where I have the problem. Look at the date George resigned vs releasing the top centers guys like DeAndre and Cousins should already be resigned to their team if strongly given considered or given amount to, but mainly Cousins and Mozgov signed RIGHT AFTER George did on the 7TH. The timing is way too close if it was a "race" for top center FA.
That is WAY TOO COINCIDENTAL for it to be true, maybe one or two FA can randomly happen but that's after maybe 1 or 2 high quality FA resigns with team before say a important player resigns with that PA team (so say for instance cousins and deandre resigns, then george resigns or he happens to get draymond green or parsons, then after that the center PA releases mozgov, varejao, and others to teams).
What's to say if he lost George he would still be able to look at FA signings objectively and with impartiality, I lose George so now I screw others over with losing Cousins, DeAndre, Gasol, Mozgov, Chandler etc.
In addition the lack of communication is also irritating, I said at the very beginning of FA for PA even if players never sign with team please give them consistent feedbacks maybe 2 or 3, after initial with DEN I never got updates on it, I lost plenty of free agents in the past so like I said that is not an issue but the difference is I got constant communication and updates from Bryan, Danny, and Walt. Even though Vlade and Alex had a threatening and volatile responses when they spoke to each other, there was still communication there.
ALSO before everyone says this has to do with vlade or you are salty that I am not getting FA, get real MF'ERS I have been in Ian's league for 8 fucking years (I am an original D5 GM, if it was about FA I would have left long ago, in the 8 years that I have been here I have only gotten one top FA and it was in the last season of the original D5 in Lebron James. So this is not a FA issue for me, it's more of a consistent competitive advantage issue.
ANOTHER THING BEFORE ANYONE SAYS I am strictly "hating" or picking on Alex, I also PM'ed Ian way back regarding the controversial Lance Stephenson signing that Josh had, I am sure both of us still have PM's from way then.
ONE last point I'd make yes in this league if say a PA is interested in position for one player say PG for example and he is also interested in PG, there will be completely different PA for the competition to receive and get that player. But what about in situations such as this where a PA is in completely different position has no interest in that position but in position number 2 has a player he wants to sign or resign, if he loses that player what's to say his impartiality and objectivity won't get affected at the PA position that he is originally in and screw other GM's over. Just like how can you be sure that's blatant and not simply a coincidence, but at the same time how can anyone be sure that had PG13 left for another team, that Cousins, DeAndre, Mozgov, Chandler moves on to another team out of spite.
Yes you can make the argument that maybe the GM was busy, had real life issues, or nah you are making too much out of nothing type of situation, or the fact that the PA is stalling for personally vested reasons. Those can be easily addressed too, like Walt he posted in shoutbox numerous times in this FA that he is busy and because he has ridiculous amount of top SF he has to address it'll take lot of time so there's transparency there.
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