Kevin Hollis
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 9, 2015 23:38:54 GMT
There is a difference between making a mistake and blatantly cheating. Are you saying you didn't realize you were cheating at the time you were doing this? That's not a mistake my friend, that's called being shady. A mistake is when you unknowingly mess up. You can knowingly be in the wrong. People do stupid shit all the time. I'm definitely not the same person I was 3 years ago. I'd assume you aren't either. Learn and move on. Nothing has impacted you and yet you feel the need to make this about you and attack me about this? Because it has impacted others. Just because I wasn't involved doesn't mean I can't be pissed. I guess people who stand up for others, e.g. people who voice their disgust with Dylann Roof, have no right to do so because they weren't personally impacted. I am not making this about me, where do you get that from? |
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Post by Alex English on Jul 9, 2015 23:39:58 GMT
Simple Answer, put more weight on the pitch and less on money and team record. There are ring chasers who will sign for a discounted rate on a title contender. But some people want a bigger role. The real life Mavs almost got DeAndre till he got bullied/kidnapped into resigning with the Clips. Purely based on their pitch. Also when you think about the Charlotte situation they got to sign Al Jefferson because they said hey, you can come into the east and be the best center here and destroy. And it worked till he got hurt. Well things like this already are less weighted reasons. But there is a never ending problem here. The more subjective we allow the reasoning to be for a player to sign, the more you guys will rip into us PAs for making stupid decisions. It's not possible for a free agency period to pass without people getting pissed off, and that's with making our criteria as objective and straightforward as possible. If how much I like a pitch mattered as much as the talent you offer with your lineup, could you imagine the shit I'd be getting myself into anytime I tried to explain my thought process after any signing? See if DeAndre loves the Mavericks pitch enough to commit to signing with them, then that's great. But he is DeAndre Jordan, he can do whatever he wants, it's realistic no matter what. But who the hell am I? I have to make choices based on what I think DeAndre is thinking. That means I have to be able to justify my thoughts. That means being subjective is really bad since all you folks will get super angry and start a silent protest or whatever unless everyone can see a clear path from point A to point B in how I've gone about things. How many people already think Glenn and I cheated to make this signing happen? What if I could say I liked Glenn's pitch more and that's why he signed? Would any GM not quit based on how stupid that is? Free agency sucks for everyone involved guys. Player agents are no exception. |
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Glenn Robinson
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jul 9, 2015 23:44:23 GMT
You can knowingly be in the wrong. People do stupid shit all the time. I'm definitely not the same person I was 3 years ago. I'd assume you aren't either. Learn and move on. Nothing has impacted you and yet you feel the need to make this about you and attack me about this? Because it has impacted others. Just because I wasn't involved doesn't mean I can't be pissed. I guess people who stand up for others, e.g. people who voice their disgust with Dylann Roof, have no right to do so because they weren't personally impacted. I am not making this about me, where do you get that from? Have your opinion then. But I've dealt with the consequences of my actions and was removed from being a player agent. I haven't made the same mistakes since then and you are using information from someone who was really upset that he might be losing Gasol and used prior transgressions to take his frustrations out. To say I'll always be a cheater because of something that happened that I'ver learned from is a let down to say the least. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 9, 2015 23:44:28 GMT
I told Ian to give me absolute dictatorship over Off-Season free agency but he said no.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 23:45:27 GMT
Simple Answer, put more weight on the pitch and less on money and team record. There are ring chasers who will sign for a discounted rate on a title contender. But some people want a bigger role. The real life Mavs almost got DeAndre till he got bullied/kidnapped into resigning with the Clips. Purely based on their pitch. Also when you think about the Charlotte situation they got to sign Al Jefferson because they said hey, you can come into the east and be the best center here and destroy. And it worked till he got hurt. Well things like this already are less weighted reasons. But there is a never ending problem here. The more subjective we allow the reasoning to be for a player to sign, the more you guys will rip into us PAs for making stupid decisions. It's not possible for a free agency period to pass without people getting pissed off, and that's with making our criteria as objective and straightforward as possible. If how much I like a pitch mattered as much as the talent you offer with your lineup, could you imagine the shit I'd be getting myself into anytime I tried to explain my thought process after any signing? See if DeAndre loves the Mavericks pitch enough to commit to signing with them, then that's great. But he is DeAndre Jordan, he can do whatever he wants, it's realistic no matter what. But who the hell am I? I have to make choices based on what I think DeAndre is thinking. That means I have to be able to justify my thoughts. That means being subjective is really bad since all you folks will get super angry and start a silent protest or whatever unless everyone can see a clear path from point A to point B in how I've gone about things. How many people already think Glenn and I cheated to make this signing happen? What if I could say I liked Glenn's pitch more and that's why he signed? Would any GM not quit based on how stupid that is? Free agency sucks for everyone involved guys. Player agents are no exception. I don't see why we don't all pm our offers to an NBAPA account and then Ian opens it at the end of the week and the best offer gets the guy |
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Post by JR Wiles on Jul 9, 2015 23:45:52 GMT
Once a cheater... Always a cheater... Damn your team name should be the Milwaukee Cheaters...
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Post by JR Wiles on Jul 9, 2015 23:50:32 GMT
Well things like this already are less weighted reasons. But there is a never ending problem here. The more subjective we allow the reasoning to be for a player to sign, the more you guys will rip into us PAs for making stupid decisions. It's not possible for a free agency period to pass without people getting pissed off, and that's with making our criteria as objective and straightforward as possible. If how much I like a pitch mattered as much as the talent you offer with your lineup, could you imagine the shit I'd be getting myself into anytime I tried to explain my thought process after any signing? See if DeAndre loves the Mavericks pitch enough to commit to signing with them, then that's great. But he is DeAndre Jordan, he can do whatever he wants, it's realistic no matter what. But who the hell am I? I have to make choices based on what I think DeAndre is thinking. That means I have to be able to justify my thoughts. That means being subjective is really bad since all you folks will get super angry and start a silent protest or whatever unless everyone can see a clear path from point A to point B in how I've gone about things. How many people already think Glenn and I cheated to make this signing happen? What if I could say I liked Glenn's pitch more and that's why he signed? Would any GM not quit based on how stupid that is? Free agency sucks for everyone involved guys. Player agents are no exception. I don't see why we don't all pm our offers to an NBAPA account and then Ian opens it at the end of the week and the best offer gets the guy I definitely agree that PAs should be something we get rid of. There has to be a better way. You can't have realism, when gms are making long term decisions for other gms. And once I talk to Vlade about Glenn and something that I need to find out...I might look up his address... The entire league is not 100%, so the idea is definitely fair and something I would be for. |
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Glenn Robinson
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jul 9, 2015 23:52:48 GMT
And once I talk to Vlade about Glenn and something that I need to find out...I might look up his address... What does that even mean, JR? Are you now going to threaten me? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 0:08:47 GMT
What does that even mean, JR? Are you now going to threaten me? I'm sure he just intends to give you a stern talking to about how to behave. |
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jul 10, 2015 0:27:28 GMT
I told Ian to give me absolute dictatorship over Off-Season free agency but he said no.  |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 10, 2015 0:43:25 GMT
I told Ian to give me absolute dictatorship over Off-Season free agency but he said no. To be honest I would have had the best free agency in the league's history. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 10, 2015 1:38:01 GMT
Don't worry, Parsons hasn't resigned yet. Everyone else's big free agents sign except for the team that looks suspicious right now. Talked to Parson's player agent the first day of free agency. Been waiting to hear back on his offers. Why does that make me look suspicious? I have no control over free agents and where they go. Glenn gave me a "I'll match whatever contract he wants" type of message immediately in FA. 2 days later I got one team sort of asking about him with no real offer, and that same day I got one gigantic offer. I told Glenn about both of these and nothing else has happened yet. Until the last 9 hours or so but I haven't been home all that much in that time so, yea. We'll get to that shortly. TBH, dealing with about 7 really big name FA's means some guys just take longer. Since no one had been going after Parsons that hard, most of my time was spent deciding and sifting through Rudy Gay, Draymond Green, and a couple others who were getting offers every couple of hours and responses to my responses back and forth and back and forth! But yea, Glenn really doesn't have much say in what I do. He has a great young team and Parsons very well may return (I can't think of a great reason why he wouldn't at the moment but I've yet to read through my 2 newest offers for him). We'll see. |
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Post by Sam Bowie on Jul 10, 2015 1:38:49 GMT
Was that thing that happened 2, 3 years ago or whatever kept as a secret? Why?
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jul 10, 2015 1:43:33 GMT
Was that thing that happened 2, 3 years ago or whatever kept as a secret? Why? I was removed from the committee and that was the end of that. There didn't need to be anything else done. Vlade could have said something when it happened, but chose to say something now because of the Gasol situation. Frustrations mounted and people said things. It happens. Just hoping to move past this as it has no barring on the league moving forward or even in the past couple seasons for that matter. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 10, 2015 2:11:17 GMT
Let me say three things and I want all of you to read!
1. VLADE RESCINDED HIS OFFER SO, DID ALEX MADE THE WRONG DECISION? NO! THAT IS THE ONLY CHOICE LEFT. WHAT DO YOU WANT HIM TO DO? BEG VLADE THAT HE DONT RESCIND?
2. SIGNING BETTER PLAYERS AND TRADING THE LESSER PLAYER IS HAPPENING IN REAL LIFE. SAS TRADED SPLITTER TO MAKE ROOM FOR LMA, PHX OFFERED A CONTRACT TO LMA EVEN THOUGH THEY DO NOT HAVE THE CAP SPACE YET.
3. FOR THOSE WHO ARE ACCUSING OTHERS OF CHEATING, YOU ARE NOT HELPING AT ALL.
Enough said.
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Post by James Kay on Jul 10, 2015 4:24:43 GMT
Because it has impacted others. Just because I wasn't involved doesn't mean I can't be pissed. I guess people who stand up for others, e.g. people who voice their disgust with Dylann Roof, have no right to do so because they weren't personally impacted. I am not making this about me, where do you get that from? Have your opinion then. But I've dealt with the consequences of my actions and was removed from being a player agent. I haven't made the same mistakes since then and you are using information from someone who was really upset that he might be losing Gasol and used prior transgressions to take his frustrations out. To say I'll always be a cheater because of something that happened that I'ver learned from is a let down to say the least. I mean... not really trying to jump on the bash Glenn train haha - I've said I actually agree with Gasol's signing and I do like to give people the benefit of the doubt - but... you keep talking about "dealing with the consequences" but not being on TC or a PA isn't really a consequence its just the normal way to be a GM. I'm "dealing with the consequences" since day 1 since Im not a PA or TC. That's not a punishment really in my eyes. IRL a team would get fined or penalized a pick or something, I think. |
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Kevin Hollis
Former Thunder GM for 7 years
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 10, 2015 4:34:14 GMT
You signed Vasquez for 9 mil, enough said.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 5:04:47 GMT
This is exactly what I wanted. Alex and Glenn cheated and I hope they pay the price for it.
Just a shout out, I am going to start playing NBA Live 07 and may start my own league. Anyone but Glenn and maybe Alex can join.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 5:06:59 GMT
I'm going to back up Alex English on this signing. This was the most controversial signing this year, perhaps since we started the league. Alex wanted to play it right and he even came to the rest of us PAs and we talked it through in the staff section of the site. The rest of us PAs were also torn between Sacramento and Milwaukee, but to be honest we tended to sway towards Sacramento because of Josh's point 2. above (Andre Drummond). Certainly in the future I'm going to do what I can to stop "I'm going to trade <lesser player> just to sign <better player>" giving teams any kind of advantage in the FA process. Walt Frazier beat me in the race for Eric Bledsoe because he "promised" to trade Ricky Rubio before the start of next season, and that's not how Free Agency should operate. We all need to go easy on Alex, and we all need to go easy on Vlade too, the only reason he got so pissed off about the process is because he cares so much about the league and his team, and that's not a bad thing in itself. When I was the only team to drop out the Top 3 in the rookie draft I spent a week being miserable, it's good because it shows we care. However it seems to me Gasol would have signed with Sacramento if not for the last few hours, and certainly not for Vlade withdrawing his offer. I also feel like Vlade crossed the line, no matter how much he cares for his team and the years that go into this league, and that if Gasol had signed with Sacramento now it would be an ugly signing, and just like I want to stop the process of <lesser player leaving to sign better player> helping in Free Agency, I also do not want to reward extreme behaviour. Well done to Alex English and the rest of the Player Agents. They already give up their free time, to work for free, to ensure this league has a future, and this was the right signing. You rewarded Alex and Glenn when they cheated. Also Glenn, I did not tell about your cheating habits because Ian asked me not to....I wish I had now and nipped you in the bud a long time ago. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 5:09:44 GMT
Also, I want to know why Alex waited until all the good FAs were gone before he signed Gasol? He basically fucked me over.
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Jul 10, 2015 5:14:04 GMT
Marc Gasol will OPT OUT next season. That's for sure. Playing with a younger but stronger Center than you. ^^
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 5:19:36 GMT
I lost his BRs so it doesn't matter.
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Jul 10, 2015 6:04:43 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong. Vlade lost Marc Gasol because he withdraw his offer to him right? ^^
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Post by Sam Bowie on Jul 10, 2015 6:10:39 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong. Vlade lost Marc Gasol because he withdraw his offer to him right? ^^ sounds like it. |
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Jul 10, 2015 6:12:02 GMT
What? But I didn't read that in the conversation Vlade posted. Or maybe I just miss it. ^^
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Post by Sam Bowie on Jul 10, 2015 6:14:52 GMT
What? But I didn't read that in the conversation Vlade posted. Or maybe I just miss it. ^^ Alex said today in the chat that there was a good chance Gasol would re-sign with Kings before he withdrawed the offer. |
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Jul 10, 2015 6:23:12 GMT
I see. I missed it. I see the point of Vlade here. IRL Superstars like Tim, Dirk etc. make small amount of money for the teams sake why here it's not? Just curious. ^^
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Post by Shane Battier on Jul 10, 2015 6:50:25 GMT
What? But I didn't read that in the conversation Vlade posted. Or maybe I just miss it. ^^ Alex said today in the chat that there was a good chance Gasol would re-sign with Kings before he withdrawed the offer. If Vlade did not withdraw his offer, he has a good chance to re-sign Gasol? Really, just a good chance? I don't understand why Gasol would sign with Milwaukee or even think of it as a probable destination. I know the Bucks have a good young core led by Davis but they also have Drummond playing as Center. IMO, Glenn should've traded Drummond first to see if he is really committed with Gasol. |
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Jul 10, 2015 6:58:24 GMT
I think Glenn is in to it right now after the signing. ^^
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Post by Sam Bowie on Jul 10, 2015 8:01:09 GMT
So, what is next for kings? 3 players under contract and no 2016 1st...
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