Kevin Love

[Andrei Kirilenko]

Current Rating: 89
Suggested Rating: 83

Certified loser. Inefficient. No defense. Cavs are 1-6 since Lebron went out. Him and Kyrie are both due for decreases. The only argument keeping these guys afloat for the past couple years was that "its not their fault their team sucks". Well, I think its about time we put some responsibility on these guys for not being good players.

[James Kay]

I think 83 is way too much of an over-reaction, and 89 may have been too low for Love to begin with.

BUT I'm voting 86. He really has underwhelmed on the Cavs, and I don't think he deserves an 89.

His numbers AND his efficiency are down.

And I know Barkley and Vlade might bring up "Chris Bosh Immunity" - IDK what that means - but Bosh is straight up outperforming Love in almost every offensive aspect right now. Bosh has more points, shoots better from the field AND from three. Also, the defense.

And Bosh is sitting at an 87. Maybe that's too low. Personally, I think Bosh has proven himself to still be an elite PF in the game - deserving of an 89. But I'm not going to lower Love's rating that much just in relation to Bosh's.

[Charles Barkley]

This is just absurd. We let Bosh keep his rating while playing with LeBron, and while LeBron has been out these last few games, and while Kyrie was out, Love was putting up huge numbers. He may be a defensive liability but this is just dumb. He got his 89 playing on the Timberwolves, and nothing in his game has changed since then. Other than the fact that you guys are actually seeing him play now.

We can't just go ahead and judge a guy for 30 games of play in a new system, on a new team. Fuckin retarded.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

Jan 11, 2015 19:38:35 GMT Charles Barkley said:

This is just absurd. We let Bosh keep his rating while playing with LeBron, and while LeBron has been out these last few games, and while Kyrie was out, Love was putting up huge numbers. He may be a defensive liability but this is just dumb. He got his 89 playing on the Timberwolves, and nothing in his game has changed since then. Other than the fact that you guys are actually seeing him play now.

We can't just go ahead and judge a guy for 30 games of play in a new system, on a new team. Fuckin retarded.

Bosh was actually a good player who contributed to wins and made the playoffs before he teamed with Lebron. Love has been a loser his entire career. How long do you want to give this guy a free pass?

[Charles Barkley]

Jan 11, 2015 19:39:32 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

Jan 11, 2015 19:38:35 GMT Charles Barkley said:

This is just absurd. We let Bosh keep his rating while playing with LeBron, and while LeBron has been out these last few games, and while Kyrie was out, Love was putting up huge numbers. He may be a defensive liability but this is just dumb. He got his 89 playing on the Timberwolves, and nothing in his game has changed since then. Other than the fact that you guys are actually seeing him play now.

We can't just go ahead and judge a guy for 30 games of play in a new system, on a new team. Fuckin retarded.

Bosh was actually a good player who contributed to wins and made the playoffs before he teamed with Lebron. Love has been a loser his entire career. How long do you want to give this guy a free pass?

So we are now lowering guys because they are "losers"? Not because of their stats, but by how many wins their team has? If this is the case, we need a lot of threads to lower a lot of guys. 

[Charles Barkley]

Jan 11, 2015 18:23:08 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

Current Rating: 89
Suggested Rating: 83

Certified loser. Inefficient. No defense. Cavs are 1-6 since Lebron went out. Him and Kyrie are both due for decreases. The only argument keeping these guys afloat for the past couple years was that "its not their fault their team sucks". Well, I think its about time we put some responsibility on these guys for not being good players.

Your whole arguement cites no stats. NONE. This is stupid. Josh, you're becoming a joke in the Stock Watch section of the community. And your input into player's threads isn't even counted because it is always the lowest vote because you have some sort of "God Complex" that what you say is gold.

Cite some stats, then we can talk. 

Chris Bosh lead his team to the playoffs in a weak Eastern Conference. How tough has the West been since Love has entered the league? And Bosh's supporting cast wasn't anywhere near as bad as the supporting cast around Love. TJ Ford was a good PG until he broke his neck.

This really just seems like a vendetta towards certain members of the league man. You're whole basis for lowering Love is that he is a loser. Let's go ahead and lower half of the league, because nearly half the teams in the NBA don't make the playoffs.

[Deleted]

I am not going to vote on this given my history with Chris Bosh, but let me say a few things.

#1: First, it's either poor GMing or a eerie coincidence that both the "elite" big men that Lebron chooses to pair up with, Chris Bosh and Kevin Love, go from historical levels of statistical production to crap. Next, it's eerie that I never saw either one of these guys play before they paired up with Lebron because their teams, Toronto and Minnesota, were never on TV...but I did see Love in college at UCLA. Lastly, its eerie that neither guy impresses me using the eye test.

#2: Since we refused to lower Bosh, despite my vehement arguments to the contrary, I think Love should get "Chris Bosh Immunity" for at least the first year.

#3: If it matters at all, I think Love is a better player than Bosh in almost every aspect of their games outside of the ability to jump. This fact makes it hard to judge them because I think Love might be in the Hall of Fame if he could jump while Bosh is just goofy.

I don't know if this contributes anything to thread but I am really trying hard to be "the voice of reason" and be constant with our past rulings in regards to players in the same situation as Love.

[Brian Scalabrine]

wait untill the end of the year

[Charles Barkley]

Kevin Love is now the 3rd option with LeBron and Kyrie.  He went from the first option in Minny, to the 3rd option in Cleveland.

His Usage Rate has dropped from 28.8% to 22%, and it is only a 6.8% drop because LeBron has missed the last 7 games. 

Taking all this into consideration, he is putting up 18 points and 10.5 rebounds a game. And the one night where Kyrie and LeBron were both out recently, Love put up something like 33 points and 18 rebounds. He is still the same old Kevin Love that everyone felt deserving enough to be an 89.

Chris Bosh was never lowered while his stats suffered from playing with LeBron. Even so, it has been 36 games. THIRTY SIX games and we are going to lower him now? Without giving him the opportunity to adjust to David Blatt's advanced motion offense? Like, seriously, come on. That's just ridiculous. 

I get that his defense has been poor. And I understand that because everyone now sees the Cavs on a weekly basis, everyone now sees that his defense is bad. But it has always been that way. He isn't a rim protector, he never has been. And his current attributes account for that already. 

Lowering Love after 36 games is just dumb. The thought of it is insane. And Barber's initial argument is just idiotic. If we lowered all the "losers" in the league, there wouldn't be any emerging super stars, or role players, or even prospects. 

Beyond all of that, we set a precedent when we didn't lower Bosh. We allowed Bosh to be his rating because we all knew the player he was before he played with LeBron. I'm not asking that we never lower Love, I'm just asking that we at least wait a year and not judge a player off of 36 games in a new, funky system, that isn't working by the way, and playing with LeBron.

[Charles Barkley]

Jan 11, 2015 19:20:27 GMT James Kay said:

I think 83 is way too much of an over-reaction, and 89 may have been too low for Love to begin with.

BUT I'm voting 86. He really has underwhelmed on the Cavs, and I don't think he deserves an 89.

His numbers AND his efficiency are down.

And I know Barkley and Vlade might bring up "Chris Bosh Immunity" - IDK what that means - but Bosh is straight up outperforming Love in almost every offensive aspect right now. Bosh has more points, shoots better from the field AND from three. Also, the defense.

And Bosh is sitting at an 87. Maybe that's too low. Personally, I think Bosh has proven himself to still be an elite PF in the game - deserving of an 89. But I'm not going to lower Love's rating that much just in relation to Bosh's.

Bosh needs an increase. Please don't compare the two right now, one is the number 1 option and the other has gone from being top dog to the number 3 option. Their usage rates are 6.6 percent a part. I'm not saying we can't ever lower Love while he is playing with LeBron, I'm just asking to wait until the end of this year, then we can analyze how he did. 

Bosh went from a 24 and 11 guy his last year in Toronto, to a 19 and 8 guy his first year with the Heat. Love was a 26 adn 12.5 guy his last year in Minny and is now at 18 and 10.5. Those stats are sooooo similiar, it isn't even funny. 

Please just hold off your judgement.

[Kevin Hollis]

I feel that lowering Kevin Love right is kind of hard, but his defense is bad. I think waiting till the all-star break would be a good thing, but my rating for the time being would be an 85. His game has really been non existent. 

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Jan 11, 2015 20:15:24 GMT Charles Barkley said:

Bosh needs an increase.

I am sorry but if you can't recognize the similarities and that Bosh should be lowered, then I refuse to try to be reasonable about Love. Let's face it, he pretty much stinks on ice if you judge him solely based on the eye test.

PS. If you are wondering, Bosh should be an 83.

[Jeremiah Hill]

I have stats that show how shitty Kevin Love is on defense. Also shows how bad Pekovic is. The Timberwolves were in the bottom 3-4 of the league in opponent FG% at the rim throughout last season. If I'm not mistaken, for the past few years. He is hands down one of the worst overall defenders in the NBA period. He makes Kyrie Irving look like Scottie Pippin.

[Kevin Hollis]

Funny you say that, that's his uncle.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

i wonder who's gonna drop the mic after 2 seasons like in the other thread. lol

[Charles Barkley]

Jan 11, 2015 21:03:42 GMT Vlade Divac said:

Jan 11, 2015 20:15:24 GMT Charles Barkley said:

Bosh needs an increase.

I am sorry but if you can't recognize the similarities and that Bosh should be lowered, then I refuse to try to be reasonable about Love. Let's face it, he pretty much stinks on ice if you judge him solely based on the eye test. Therefore, I am going to say that Love should be an 85.

PS. If you are wondering, Bosh should be an 83.

I didn't mean that, I meant that James shouldn't compare the two of them. That comment was taken out of the rest of the context of what I said.

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Jan 11, 2015 22:10:15 GMT Charles Barkley said:

Jan 11, 2015 21:03:42 GMT Vlade Divac said:

I am sorry but if you can't recognize the similarities and that Bosh should be lowered, then I refuse to try to be reasonable about Love. Let's face it, he pretty much stinks on ice if you judge him solely based on the eye test. Therefore, I am going to say that Love should be an 85.

PS. If you are wondering, Bosh should be an 83.

I didn't mean that, I meant that James shouldn't compare the two of them. That comment was taken out of the rest of the context of what I said.

Thank you for the apology and I will retract my previous vote.

[Charles Barkley]

Jan 11, 2015 21:12:56 GMT Jeremiah Hill said:

I have stats that show how shitty Kevin Love is on defense. Also shows how bad Pekovic is. The Timberwolves were in the bottom 3-4 of the league in opponent FG% at the rim throughout last season. If I'm not mistaken, for the past few years. He is hands down one of the worst overall defenders in the NBA period. He makes Kyrie Irving look like Scottie Pippin.

Kevin Love has never played with an actual player capable of weak-side defense. Now that Mozgov is there, expect Love to look better on defense. 

Those Timberwolves stats mean nothing because their system wasn't about rim protection or in your face man-to-man defense, it was about sagging back, playing the passing lanes, and boxing out, rather than going up for a blocked shot.

Give Love the year to adjust and adapt, and I'd be willing to bet his defense looks better.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

Jan 11, 2015 22:14:25 GMT Charles Barkley said:

Jan 11, 2015 21:12:56 GMT Jeremiah Hill said:

I have stats that show how shitty Kevin Love is on defense. Also shows how bad Pekovic is. The Timberwolves were in the bottom 3-4 of the league in opponent FG% at the rim throughout last season. If I'm not mistaken, for the past few years. He is hands down one of the worst overall defenders in the NBA period. He makes Kyrie Irving look like Scottie Pippin.

Kevin Love has never played with an actual player capable of weak-side defense. Now that Mozgov is there, expect Love to look better on defense. 

Those Timberwolves stats mean nothing because their system wasn't about rim protection or in your face man-to-man defense, it was about sagging back, playing the passing lanes, and boxing out, rather than going up for a blocked shot.

Give Love the year to adjust and adapt, and I'd be willing to bet his defense looks better.

These are the kind of excuses we've been hearing for years. The fact is, Love is a shitty player.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

Jan 11, 2015 19:46:09 GMT Charles Barkley said:

Jan 11, 2015 18:23:08 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

Current Rating: 89
Suggested Rating: 83

Certified loser. Inefficient. No defense. Cavs are 1-6 since Lebron went out. Him and Kyrie are both due for decreases. The only argument keeping these guys afloat for the past couple years was that "its not their fault their team sucks". Well, I think its about time we put some responsibility on these guys for not being good players.

Your whole arguement cites no stats. NONE. This is stupid. Josh, you're becoming a joke in the Stock Watch section of the community. And your input into player's threads isn't even counted because it is always the lowest vote because you have some sort of "God Complex" that what you say is gold.

Cite some stats, then we can talk. 

Chris Bosh lead his team to the playoffs in a weak Eastern Conference. How tough has the West been since Love has entered the league? And Bosh's supporting cast wasn't anywhere near as bad as the supporting cast around Love. TJ Ford was a good PG until he broke his neck.

This really just seems like a vendetta towards certain members of the league man. You're whole basis for lowering Love is that he is a loser. Let's go ahead and lower half of the league, because nearly half the teams in the NBA don't make the playoffs.

Attacking someone personally is the sign of a great argument. Maybe I'm wrong about Love.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

I posted this here a year ago:

Jan 23, 2014 20:09:44 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

I'd give him an overall 86. He's proven yet again this season that he can't win games and his stats are meaningless. At some point, we have to stop ignoring his flaws and address them for what they are. I could see him dropping to the 84-85 range, but that would be rather drastic of a change in our ratings history. I say we drop him a little for now and continue to monitor him through next season.

And now we're all arguing the exact same thing a year later. I mean, shit, I'm starting to think this whole stock watch thing is useless. There's NINE guys rated above Love in this league. Nine. You're telling me Love is a top 10 player? Get out of here

[Andrei Kirilenko]

Jan 11, 2015 19:38:35 GMT Charles Barkley said:

This is just absurd. We let Bosh keep his rating while playing with LeBron, and while LeBron has been out these last few games, and while Kyrie was out, Love was putting up huge numbers. He may be a defensive liability but this is just dumb. He got his 89 playing on the Timberwolves, and nothing in his game has changed since then. Other than the fact that you guys are actually seeing him play now.

We can't just go ahead and judge a guy for 30 games of play in a new system, on a new team. Fuckin retarded.

We're not judging him on 30 games, we're judging him on a career of shittiness

[Alex English]

It's too soon. With the Big 3 the Heat started the 2010-11 season poorly going 9-8 after their first 17 games. They didn't figure it out instantly and neither will the Cavs this year. Similarly the Cavs were 10-7 after the same period. They were actually starting to figure things out I think as they were 18-11 when Lebron went down with his injury. Lets say Lebron stays healthy and the Cavs went 5-2 over the last 7 games instead of 1-6. They'd be at 23-13 now instead of 19-18. Would we even have this thread in that case?

Then take into account that the mess of the Cavs front office isn't even close to the level of the Pat Riley led Heat and that Kyrie Irving is still only 22 years old and Love is 26. I don't think the Cavs are in a bad situation right now and I don't think any of the 3 main guys are playing poorly. Lebron is having a "bad" season and he's still putting up 25, 7 and 5. Kevin Love's shitty defense is a known issue so I wouldn't say he's playing poorly when he's putting up like 18 and 10 on a new team as the 3rd option.

I think the Mozgov trade helps them and if we give them time to get healthy and develop some continuity then they'll play a lot better and start winning games again. If that hasn't happened by the end of the year then it will be time to look at decreasing Love.

[Charles Barkley]

Jan 11, 2015 22:35:53 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

Jan 11, 2015 19:38:35 GMT Charles Barkley said:

This is just absurd. We let Bosh keep his rating while playing with LeBron, and while LeBron has been out these last few games, and while Kyrie was out, Love was putting up huge numbers. He may be a defensive liability but this is just dumb. He got his 89 playing on the Timberwolves, and nothing in his game has changed since then. Other than the fact that you guys are actually seeing him play now.

We can't just go ahead and judge a guy for 30 games of play in a new system, on a new team. Fuckin retarded.

We're not judging him on 30 games, we're judging him on a career of shittiness

A career of shittiness? When I came into the league he was an 89, so it was all of you who voted for him. That thread was actually started January 22nd 2014. So, what has changed in a years time? He had a career year last year for the Timberwolves. 

Nearly every analyst said that the Cavs were pairing 3 of the top 10 best players in the league together, and, if anything, Kyrie is worse than Love. Name 10 players who have put up better stats the last 6 seasons that are better than Kevin Love.

Just because he isn't a winner doesn't me we can ignore his stats. Like I said, if we are going to start dropping players, or increasing players, based on their winning percentage, the whole idea of the stock watch because null and void. Should Mario Chalmers be rated a 90 because he's been on a winning team the last 4 seasons? What about Melo? Is he no longer a 92 because he has been on a losing team in the EAST for a while now? Make a thread on Melo, make a thread on Brook Lopez, on Kyrie, another on Kobe, might as well make one on Anthony Davis for a decrease because his team hasn't made the playoffs yet. It's all just ridiculous. It just seems like this is an attack against Love. And you're completely ignoring his stats; completely ignoring everything besides his winning percentage which isn't his fault. You're argument is just that "he is a shitty player". That is more of an opinion than of fact. Maybe you should cite some sort of statistics to back up your opinion or else it just empty.

Even with LeBron out, the team is full of shitty players besides Love and Kyrie. Mike Miller isn't any better than Corey Brewer, neither is Shawn Marion. 

All these stock watch posts you make and contribute to just seem like you're pissed off about something. Even in the injury thread you just seem pissed off. The whole season you just seem like you're pissed off about something and none of us, well, at least I, have no idea what it is. Maybe you should tell us what is making you angry, and we can try to solve the problem.

[James Kay]

Jan 11, 2015 20:15:24 GMT Charles Barkley said:

Jan 11, 2015 19:20:27 GMT James Kay said:

I think 83 is way too much of an over-reaction, and 89 may have been too low for Love to begin with.

BUT I'm voting 86. He really has underwhelmed on the Cavs, and I don't think he deserves an 89.

His numbers AND his efficiency are down.

And I know Barkley and Vlade might bring up "Chris Bosh Immunity" - IDK what that means - but Bosh is straight up outperforming Love in almost every offensive aspect right now. Bosh has more points, shoots better from the field AND from three. Also, the defense.

And Bosh is sitting at an 87. Maybe that's too low. Personally, I think Bosh has proven himself to still be an elite PF in the game - deserving of an 89. But I'm not going to lower Love's rating that much just in relation to Bosh's.

Bosh needs an increase. Please don't compare the two right now, one is the number 1 option and the other has gone from being top dog to the number 3 option. Their usage rates are 6.6 percent a part. I'm not saying we can't ever lower Love while he is playing with LeBron, I'm just asking to wait until the end of this year, then we can analyze how he did. 

Bosh went from a 24 and 11 guy his last year in Toronto, to a 19 and 8 guy his first year with the Heat. Love was a 26 adn 12.5 guy his last year in Minny and is now at 18 and 10.5. Those stats are sooooo similiar, it isn't even funny. 

Please just hold off your judgement.

Wow. This has quickly turned into a shitshow.

Barkley - A few things.

One, I specifically said that "I'm not going to lower Love's rating that much just in relation to Bosh's.'" However, the comparison for these two players is INEVITABLE because of their similar positions and circumstances - playing with Lebron as the "third" option.

Two, we have stock watch threads for a lot of players based on this season so far. Why should Love get more time? Yes, he's moving to a new system, but if he adjusts appropriately then we can just have another thread for him to raise him back.

I'm honestly ok with waiting though. But he needs to show an ability to play the third or second option, I think if he can't then that should factor into his rating. When Bosh's counting stats took a hit, he always maintained his efficiency and expanded his skill set. That earned him the maintenance of his rating.

Vlade - I will never ever understand your distaste for Bosh. He is statistically outplaying Love right now, and that cannot be disputed. HOW can you say that he should be an 83?? It's just maniacal. I don't get it. He is finally shutting you up and playing like he always had the ability to as a 1st/2nd option and you will still not relent. He's shooting 40% on threes on 3.8 3PA, the highest rate of his career. And with no Lebron to space the floor as you always claimed was his saving grace. And all of this is not even taking into consideration the incredible difference Bosh brings to the table on the defensive end. Bosh > Love all day any day.

[Charles Barkley]

Jan 11, 2015 22:59:10 GMT James Kay said:

Jan 11, 2015 20:15:24 GMT Charles Barkley said:

Bosh needs an increase. Please don't compare the two right now, one is the number 1 option and the other has gone from being top dog to the number 3 option. Their usage rates are 6.6 percent a part. I'm not saying we can't ever lower Love while he is playing with LeBron, I'm just asking to wait until the end of this year, then we can analyze how he did. 

Bosh went from a 24 and 11 guy his last year in Toronto, to a 19 and 8 guy his first year with the Heat. Love was a 26 adn 12.5 guy his last year in Minny and is now at 18 and 10.5. Those stats are sooooo similiar, it isn't even funny. 

Please just hold off your judgement.

Wow. This has quickly turned into a shitshow.

Barkley - A few things.

One, I specifically said that "I'm not going to lower Love's rating that much just in relation to Bosh's.'" However, the comparison for these two players is INEVITABLE because of their similar positions and circumstances - playing with Lebron as the "third" option.

Two, we have stock watch threads for a lot of players based on this season so far. Why should Love get more time? Yes, he's moving to a new system, but if he adjusts appropriately then we can just have another thread for him to raise him back.

I'm honestly ok with waiting though. But he needs to show an ability to play the third or second option, I think if he can't then that should factor into his rating. When Bosh's counting stats took a hit, he always maintained his efficiency and expanded his skill set. That earned him the maintenance of his rating.

You'll have to excuse me James, I really only read what you had in bold in your comment, I apologize. I hope you can understand my fiestiness as I feel the player I just traded for is under attack for not reason. As to your first point, I meant we shouldn't compare the players to who they are right now, as it seemed that you were. Sorry.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

Jan 11, 2015 22:58:02 GMT Charles Barkley said:

Jan 11, 2015 22:35:53 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

We're not judging him on 30 games, we're judging him on a career of shittiness

All these stock watch posts you make and contribute to just seem like you're pissed off about something. Even in the injury thread you just seem pissed off. The whole season you just seem like you're pissed off about something and none of us, well, at least I, have no idea what it is. Maybe you should tell us what is making you angry, and we can try to solve the problem.

I'm pissed off that you've all gone insane. Everytime I look, there's a new shitty player that someone is trying to get a rating boost for. Which is fine, I understand you have to look out for your team. The thing that pisses me off is that no one is fighting back. People are fine giving half the league an 85 rating. No one seems to care. Pretty soon everyone is gonna have a lineup of five 80+ players. I remember playing in these leagues in 2007 and if you had five 80+ players, you were basically guaranteed the championship. Maybe I've lost my mind, but maybe I haven't. I'm just trying to put things into perspective for people who are too narrow viewed. I'm calling to you all from afar. I'm the darkness lurking in the shadows, whispering my lowly ratings just to give people perspective. I'm the savior this league needs. I'm the motherfucking voice of reason.

[Alex English]

Jan 11, 2015 23:09:34 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

I'm pissed off that you've all gone insane. Everytime I look, there's a new shitty player that someone is trying to get a rating boost for. Which is fine, I understand you have to look out for your team. The thing that pisses me off is that no one is fighting back. People are fine giving half the league an 85 rating. No one seems to care. Pretty soon everyone is gonna have a lineup of five 80+ players. I remember playing in these leagues in 2007 and if you had five 80+ players, you were basically guaranteed the championship. Maybe I've lost my mind, but maybe I haven't. I'm just trying to put things into perspective for people who are too narrow viewed. I'm calling to you all from afar. I'm the darkness lurking in the shadows, whispering my lowly ratings just to give people perspective. I'm the savior this league needs. I'm the motherfucking voice of reason.

Ian actually brought this up a couple weeks ago. The average league ratings have remained almost identical since we started. I broke it down some more since my first instinct was the same as yours that ratings have been getting out of control. But you can see right across the board that ratings haven't changed much:

[Alex English]

Jan 11, 2015 23:09:34 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

I'm the darkness lurking in the shadows, whispering my lowly ratings just to give people perspective. I'm the savior this league needs. I'm the motherfucking voice of reason.

Josh Barber A.K.A. Batman!

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Jan 11, 2015 23:33:29 GMT Alex English said:

Jan 11, 2015 23:09:34 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

I'm the darkness lurking in the shadows, whispering my lowly ratings just to give people perspective. I'm the savior this league needs. I'm the motherfucking voice of reason.

Josh Barber A.K.A. Batman!

I was thinking Darkwing Duck if you know who that is.