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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 29, 2015 23:28:32 GMT
The timberwolves were an over 500 team in a western conference that was one of the toughest of all time. To say he didn't win at all is categorically false. He would been around a 4 seed in the east
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jan 29, 2015 23:31:54 GMT
Kevin Love has never been over 500 in his career until this year, and even then he is sub .500 when Lebron is out.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 29, 2015 23:53:25 GMT
You're right I must have read it wrong they were 40-42. That was still a playoff team in the east though. And that's with playing a tougher schedule than he would if they were in the east.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 30, 2015 0:04:47 GMT
You're right I must have read it wrong they were 40-42. That was still a playoff team in the east though. And that's with playing a tougher schedule than he would if they were in the east. He also played with shitty teammates. But those Timberwolves would have been a playoff team in the East without a doubt. So would Sacramento and PHX, so the winning argument is pretty dumb. |
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Post by Alex English on Jan 30, 2015 1:44:22 GMT
He also played with shitty teammates. Did he? Rubio, Pekovic and Martin all have 80+ ratings. Kevin Love is not a franchise player, and maybe not even a #2 option. Time is running out on Love's grace period. The comparisons to Bosh are valid, but only statistically. Bosh is a solid defender while Love might be the worst post defender in the NBA. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 30, 2015 2:06:57 GMT
He also played with shitty teammates. Did he? Rubio, Pekovic and Martin all have 80+ ratings. Kevin Love is not a franchise player, and maybe not even a #2 option. Time is running out on Love's grace period. The comparisons to Bosh are valid, but only statistically. Bosh is a solid defender while Love might be the worst post defender in the NBA. I don't think that comparing player ratings is fair. But in that spirit, you know as well as I know that Martin is an 80+ because he can shoot, and he probably shouldnt be rated that high so long as Korver is in the 78 range. Pek is just a big body guy who has all his points in rebounding and strength. And Rubio's points are spread out in O-Aware, Steal, and what not. Its not like those guys are on the cusp of the All-Star range. All of them are "solid starters" and that team would have easily made the playoffs in the East. He was a number 1 option on a 40-42 team in the West and put up huge numbers. Just because he goes from being a number 1 option to a number 3 option, and this is the important part, because of the talent around him and the system he is in, doesn't mean its fair to lower him. He already has low post defense. He is putting up better numbers than Bosh did in Miami, and, comparing Bosh's last year in Toronto with Love's last year in Minny, Love wins in points and rebounds. Love doesn't have a high FG% because he isn't a traditional big man sitting in the post dunking on people. He shoots three's, grabs boards, and throws sweet outlet passes. And that is exactly what his in game rating represents. It is irrational to think that Love isn't worthy of his rating. What changed from last year to this year? The system and players around him. The offense isn't focused around him anymore like it was in Minny, and we are going to punish him for that? His skills haven't diminished. The only difference is that he is on TV more, and more people are seeing him play and picking out his weaknesses. Well guess what, his weaknesses you see on TV are the same ones in his rating. It isn't like he is this outrageous player in our game with just insane D-Aware, Block, Steal, and Jump. Nothing has changed with Kevin Love, your perception of him has changed. And you, in general, are at fault for not paying attention and seeing his weaknesses before he played on ESPN. Is he having a down year right now? Yeah, but he's also taking 5 less shots per game and nearly 2 less 3 pointers a game. He is the same player, just a different system, the offense isn't focused around him, and we need to wait and see how he does his first year with the Cavs. His numbers are still better than Bosh's in points and rebounds. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jan 30, 2015 2:57:38 GMT
My opinion of Kevin Love has not changed. I have a long documented history of bashing this scrub. You're right that more people are watching him now, which is why everyone else finally sees that he is shit.
I understand why you are defending him Charles, but you don't really have any good arguments. Love should be a low 80s player to be honest. He is a one dimensional big man.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jan 30, 2015 2:59:40 GMT
And why do you keep bringing up Bosh? Just because both played with Lebron? Should we compare Chalmers and Kyrie as well? Smith and Wade? It just doesn't make sense to compare them, Bosh is a much more complete player who was a solid star before teaming up with Lebron
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 30, 2015 3:24:54 GMT
My opinion of Kevin Love has not changed. I have a long documented history of bashing this scrub. You're right that more people are watching him now, which is why everyone else finally sees that he is shit. I understand why you are defending him Charles, but you don't really have any good arguments. Love should be a low 80s player to be honest. He is a one dimensional big man. How don't I have a good argument? I disproved everything you said previously. Just because you think he is a scrub doesn't make him a scrub. The comparison to Bosh is because they both played and play at the same position and role on a team with LeBron James as Batman and Wade/Kyrie as Robin, with Bosh/Love being Jim Gordon. Love's shooting percentage will be lower than a traditional 4 because of the way he plays the position. Its the same reason that Bosh's FG% declined when he played with LeBron (~51 in TOR to ~49 then ~48 in MIA, then it increased). Not to mention the offensive systems are very different. Blatt is running a motion/Princeton offense with a playbook as thick as one in the NFL and Spo just let LeBron do his thing. My argument isn't that Kevin Love is this God of a PF and is better than Bosh, my argument is that his rating and attributes already reflect his weaknesses displayed in real life. And that Bosh stayed at an 89 while his stats decreased playing with LeBron. Comparing the two, Bosh and Love, appears to give the advantage to Love in PTS and RBDs, but it really isn't fair, like you said. They are their own separate players. With their own different strengths and weaknesses and if you took the time to look at his attributes, you'd see that they are already represented. They play in two wildly different systems. If your argument is that Love doesn't win, well neither does Boogie, and they had similar stats in PTS and Boards last season, yet Cousins is getting an increase and he never made the playoffs. Love and the T'Wolves would have made it in the East, easily, especially when you consider that the schedule would have been different for them. The only argument you seem to make is that he is a scrub, and I can't disprove that because that's just your opinion, which you're entitled to. But, how many PF's would you take over Love? Off the top of my head, I'd say he's a top 5 PF. While I respect your point of view, and am trying to see it through your eyes, I just see it as irrational. I don't see how the arguments you've made against him stand up on their own. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jan 30, 2015 14:44:14 GMT
You "disproved" everything I said? I don't even make points that can be disproven, I just give my opinion. You're turning into Walt Jr. with these long, maniacal essays repeating the same nonsensical arguments
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jan 30, 2015 14:45:17 GMT
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 30, 2015 14:52:14 GMT
"Clever" Josh Barber strikes again. He's already admitted he doesn't read anything longer than a couple sentences. It's not worth "arguing" or discussing anything with him. Just ignore him and let him give his rating.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jan 30, 2015 15:03:23 GMT
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 30, 2015 15:05:06 GMT
There he goes, polluting Stock Watch Threads with useless memes. SO Glad we have a troll here in D5. Literally no other way to explain a guy who gives radical opinions just to fire up everyone else, calls himself god, and "likes" all of his own posts. You have achieved true troll status Josh. Congrats I guess?
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jan 30, 2015 15:20:24 GMT
I think the problem is that I just can't you guys seriously anymore with these ridiculous essay posts. You've gotta admit though, the Walt Jr. thing is pretty funny. Plus you get to be badass Heisenberg.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 30, 2015 15:24:01 GMT
I think the problem is that I just can't you guys seriously anymore with these ridiculous essay posts. You've gotta admit though, the Walt Jr. thing is pretty funny. Plus you get to be badass Heisenberg. Yea, Cerebral Palsy is hilarious Josh. Good work. |
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Post by Alex English on Jan 30, 2015 15:41:42 GMT
I think the problem is that I just can't you guys seriously anymore with these ridiculous essay posts. You've gotta admit though, the Walt Jr. thing is pretty funny. Plus you get to be badass Heisenberg. Yea, Cerebral Palsy is hilarious Josh. Good work. What? Where does cerebral palsy come from? He never joked about that at all. I thought it was hilarious. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 30, 2015 16:09:27 GMT
Yea, Cerebral Palsy is hilarious Josh. Good work. What? Where does cerebral palsy come from? He never joked about that at all. I thought it was hilarious. Walt Jr. has cerebral palsy. He didn't need to post the picture of the guy (he actually has Cerebral Palsy IRL). I viewed that as an attempt at humor. Just saying, there are hundreds of pictures of RJ Mitte that do not emphasize his Cerebral Palsy but are still very recognizably Walt "Flynn" Jr.   When dealing with a troll, it's way more likely the guy IS making a joke than that he isn't. So even if he wasn't, he chose a picture emphasizing his condition when not needed. It wasn't a stretch on my part. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jan 30, 2015 16:26:36 GMT
I literally just googled Walt Jr. and took the first picture that showed up. It has nothing to do with cerebral palsy and everything to do with the fact that his name is Walt Jr. lol I fixed it for you though.  |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 30, 2015 16:32:28 GMT
OK, no way to prove it anyway. You could have just taken any of the next 7 pictures which don't emphasize it instead of using your paint program, but OK.
Anyway, how about basketball?
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Post by Alex English on Jan 30, 2015 16:47:47 GMT
What? Where does cerebral palsy come from? He never joked about that at all. I thought it was hilarious. Walt Jr. has cerebral palsy. He didn't need to post the picture of the guy (he actually has Cerebral Palsy IRL). I viewed that as an attempt at humor. Just saying, there are hundreds of pictures of RJ Mitte that do not emphasize his Cerebral Palsy but are still very recognizably Walt "Flynn" Jr. When dealing with a troll, it's way more likely the guy IS making a joke than that he isn't. So even if he wasn't, he chose a picture emphasizing his condition when not needed. It wasn't a stretch on my part. I know he has cerebral palsy, but who cares? Is he supposed to hide it? Are we all supposed to act like he doesn't have cerebral palsy? Seeing "Walt Jr" and his picture made me think of Breaking Bad and it was funny. His cerebral palsy never once crossed my mind until you brought it up. This is a pet peeve of mine with the over the top politically correct attitude being pushed. His cerebral palsy was a complete non-issue until you made it an issue. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 30, 2015 17:34:09 GMT
Barber is a troll man. Sorry if I read into it too much but the guy is trolling the whole league non-stop with his new persona, so I just assumed he was making fun of Barkley. No real way to prove it either way. Maybe you're being much too lenient on Barber?
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jan 30, 2015 17:45:37 GMT
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Post by Alex English on Jan 30, 2015 17:57:04 GMT
Barber is a troll man. Sorry if I read into it too much but the guy is trolling the whole league non-stop with his new persona, so I just assumed he was making fun of Barkley. No real way to prove it either way. Maybe you're being much too lenient on Barber? I think you just don't understand where Josh is coming from. Just going through all these threads it seems like my opinion is closer to his than anyone else's. I agree with a lot of his issues with the stockwatch section. If he were a troll he'd just be saying anything to piss people off, but I don't see it like that, yes his response just seems to be to ridicule everything, but there is a point behind the ridicule. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 30, 2015 18:11:11 GMT
The fact that he likes his own posts just about 100% shows he's trolling at least to some extent. I can't really respect that, so yea.
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Post by James Kay on Jan 30, 2015 18:37:31 GMT
Barber is a troll man. Sorry if I read into it too much but the guy is trolling the whole league non-stop with his new persona, so I just assumed he was making fun of Barkley. No real way to prove it either way. Maybe you're being much too lenient on Barber? I think you just don't understand where Josh is coming from. Just going through all these threads it seems like my opinion is closer to his than anyone else's. I agree with a lot of his issues with the stockwatch section. If he were a troll he'd just be saying anything to piss people off, but I don't see it like that, yes his response just seems to be to ridicule everything, but there is a point behind the ridicule. Oh fuck off Alex, there’s no other word to describe Josh than antagonistic, regardless of your opinion on the validity of his arguments. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jan 30, 2015 18:46:04 GMT
You can read through the threads, 90% of my stockwatch posts are literally just me posting nothing but my suggested rating (aka "83") and then being attacked for it by various members of the league. I'd hardly call that antagonistic on my part.
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Post by Ghazny Dimalen on Jan 30, 2015 19:12:50 GMT
I think some of this comment is out of topic.
Please refrain for this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 19:20:16 GMT
He also played with shitty teammates. Did he? Rubio, Pekovic and Martin all have 80+ ratings. Kevin Love is not a franchise player, and maybe not even a #2 option. Time is running out on Love's grace period. The comparisons to Bosh are valid, but only statistically. Bosh is a solid defender while Love might be the worst post defender in the NBA. I am glad to see you are finally coming around and I agree with everything you said BUT Bosh is the worst man on man post defender in the history of the NBA. Please don't give me shot blocking statistics because there is a big difference between weak side defense and man to man post defense. Love may be worse than Bosh on the weak side but I PROMISE YOU he would do a better on Hibbert or West than Bosh did in those finals. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 7, 2015 18:56:16 GMT
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