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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 4, 2014 16:08:06 GMT
Let's not forget how bad the East has been for a long time, especially in that era. But, personally I do think Bosh has talent, Vlade is too far down on him. I see his argument, and I know he truly believes what he's saying, but when you are out on a limb by yourself it's sometimes best to realize it and just climb back to the tree and rest for awhile. Hell yeah I believe what I am saying with all my heart and soul; it's basically my Tim Duncan argument but Timmy AT LEAST was good at one point. Remember, I think he should be a point lower than Josh Smith. You really think that Tim Duncan should be a point lower than Josh Smith? You should be banned from ever voting in these because that is fucked in half retarded. |
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Post by TB I just am not logged in. on Apr 4, 2014 17:43:20 GMT
Guys can we stop talking like it's 2007. It's 2014 and Bosh isn't playing at that level. Forreal that's like saying Madden should have Mike Vick be a 96 just based on past. Base it on real life and real life alone.
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Post by James Kay on Apr 4, 2014 17:54:03 GMT
Guys can we stop talking like it's 2007. It's 2014 and Bosh isn't playing at that level. Forreal that's like saying Madden should have Mike Vick be a 96 just based on past. Base it on real life and real life alone. This is a unique situation because Bosh has entered his prime as a second/third-option. His volume stats have decreased somewhat but with a corresponding and even exceptional increase in percentages and advanced statistics. Obviously Bosh is not playing behind Lebron and Wade in Dynasty5ive. We really DON'T KNOW how he would perform on his own or in another team environment as is the case in this league. All we can go on is stats and past performance. And those indicate a high rating. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 4, 2014 18:36:46 GMT
I think if Bosh were older I might get behind you Vlade (but only a little) on decreasing him. As it is, he is still in his prime, he earned that 88 in the past with his contributions across the board, and now has actually improved his shooting/%'s.
Hard for me to drop him considering his age and shooting/% improvements.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 22:53:05 GMT
Hell yeah I believe what I am saying with all my heart and soul; it's basically my Tim Duncan argument but Timmy AT LEAST was good at one point. Remember, I think he should be a point lower than Josh Smith. You really think that Tim Duncan should be a point lower than Josh Smith? You should be banned from ever voting in these because that is fucked in half retarded. You need to go back to the 3rd grade. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 22:53:47 GMT
Guys can we stop talking like it's 2007. It's 2014 and Bosh isn't playing at that level. Forreal that's like saying Madden should have Mike Vick be a 96 just based on past. Base it on real life and real life alone. This is a unique situation because Bosh has entered his prime as a second/third-option. His volume stats have decreased somewhat but with a corresponding and even exceptional increase in percentages and advanced statistics. Obviously Bosh is not playing behind Lebron and Wade in Dynasty5ive. We really DON'T KNOW how he would perform on his own or in another team environment as is the case in this league. All we can go on is stats and past performance. And those indicate a high rating. I do because he sucks. JUST WATCH HIM PLAY!!!!!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 22:55:21 GMT
I think if Bosh were older I might get behind you Vlade (but only a little) on decreasing him. As it is, he is still in his prime, he earned that 88 in the past with his contributions across the board, and now has actually improved his shooting/%'s. Hard for me to drop him considering his age and shooting/% improvements. Honestly, who cares about his FG%? It's important but production counts more, in my opinion, than a percentage. Truth be told, he averages 16 and 6 which isn't that great and warrants a decrease. If you won't factor in athleticism then you shouldn't factor in his role. |
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Post by James Kay on Apr 4, 2014 23:05:34 GMT
This is a unique situation because Bosh has entered his prime as a second/third-option. His volume stats have decreased somewhat but with a corresponding and even exceptional increase in percentages and advanced statistics. Obviously Bosh is not playing behind Lebron and Wade in Dynasty5ive. We really DON'T KNOW how he would perform on his own or in another team environment as is the case in this league. All we can go on is stats and past performance. And those indicate a high rating. I do because he sucks. JUST WATCH HIM PLAY!!!!!!!! I do watch him play you dense motherfucker. My eye-test says he's an 88. Your eye-test says he's an 80. Obviously we don't see the same thing when we watch. So what do we do? LOOK AT STATS - and Bosh's stats prove he is an 88 player. |
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Post by Alex English on Apr 4, 2014 23:19:55 GMT
“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
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Please stop posting in this thread so it can go away.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 23:43:18 GMT
I do because he sucks. JUST WATCH HIM PLAY!!!!!!!! I do watch him play you dense motherfucker. My eye-test says he's an 88. Your eye-test says he's an 80. Obviously we don't see the same thing when we watch. So what do we do? LOOK AT STATS - and Bosh's stats prove he is an 88 player. Fine then, forget Josh Smith, how is someone like Ibaka an 82 with comparable stats? |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 5, 2014 0:19:01 GMT
LeBron James
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By your logic Kevin Love is a much better player than LeBron James. This is why you are wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2014 0:44:53 GMT
I just want to say one thing. Bosh and Smith are both elite players. Both ratings should not go below 85 anytime soon. If I had to pick one of the two to be on my team I would go with Smith. But both are solid players. You guys need to stop fighting over stupid shit. This is what this stupid stock watch is doing. We need to get rid of it asap. And come up with a system.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2014 0:46:38 GMT
And stats will be different from Team to team depending on the style each offense plats...
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Post by TB(Forgot to login again) on Apr 5, 2014 1:19:07 GMT
Bosh and Smith are not elite guys. They are both weak in their own parts of their game.
Bosh is a great 3rd option. 88? For a third option? God damn.
And comparing stats is stupid. There has to be an actual basketball website that can prove my assessment of both of these players.
LeBron is the greatest player in the game and ALWAYS finds the open man. ALWAYS. So in theory Bosh's number would go up because they're gaining more chemistry. WHICH IS WHY I KEEP SAYING GO TO 2K.
Also. Love should be the highest rated Bigman in the game. He's incredible. Everything he does. Incredible. Him and Rubio go anywhere else and they kill it.
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Post by James Kay on Apr 5, 2014 1:43:07 GMT
I do watch him play you dense motherfucker. My eye-test says he's an 88. Your eye-test says he's an 80. Obviously we don't see the same thing when we watch. So what do we do? LOOK AT STATS - and Bosh's stats prove he is an 88 player. Fine then, forget Josh Smith, how is someone like Ibaka an 82 with comparable stats? Well I think Ibaka deserves an increase. Not to an 88 because he hasn't proven himself on a team as the first option like Bosh has, but an increase nonetheless. I see Ibaka as an 84-85. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2014 1:47:03 GMT
LeBron James PPG RPG 26.6 6.9 Kevin Love PPG RPG 26.0 12.6 By your logic Kevin Love is a much better player than LeBron James. This is why you are wrong. lmfao! You are a funny little guy! Lebron's other stats blow Love away...even though 26/12 for Love is very impressive. Then again it DWARFS Bosh Spice, so maybe we should make Love like a 95 if Bosh is an 88? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2014 1:47:45 GMT
Fine then, forget Josh Smith, how is someone like Ibaka an 82 with comparable stats? Well I think Ibaka deserves an increase. Not to an 88 because he hasn't proven himself on a team as the first option like Bosh has, but an increase nonetheless. I see Ibaka as an 84-85. What did Bosh prove as a #1 option? I think he proved, if anything, that he can't do it. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 5, 2014 1:56:25 GMT
Bosh and Smith are not elite guys. They are both weak in their own parts of their game. Bosh is a great 3rd option. 88? For a third option? God damn. And comparing stats is stupid. There has to be an actual basketball website that can prove my assessment of both of these players.
LeBron is the greatest player in the game and ALWAYS finds the open man. ALWAYS. So in theory Bosh's number would go up because they're gaining more chemistry. WHICH IS WHY I KEEP SAYING GO TO 2K. Also. Love should be the highest rated Bigman in the game. He's incredible. Everything he does. Incredible. Him and Rubio go anywhere else and they kill it. Prove your underlined statement as I already have used statistics to prove my point. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 5, 2014 2:04:18 GMT
Well I think Ibaka deserves an increase. Not to an 88 because he hasn't proven himself on a team as the first option like Bosh has, but an increase nonetheless. I see Ibaka as an 84-85. What did Bosh prove as a #1 option? I think he proved, if anything, that he can't do it. He proved that he is a great player who can average 24ppg 10 rpg while he was with the Raptors, he had the misfortune of playing when the Celtics, Magic and Cavaliers were all amazing teams. Each with guys who were better at that point in time, (Pierce, LBJ, Dwight). While with the Heat he has proven that A he can still be a number one option (his scoring averages when LBJ is out proves that) and that he is a well rounded defensive player capable of guarding the 3, 4 and 5. Is he going to get pushed around by really big centers? Yes of course he's undersized for the Center position. But that doesn't mean that he's not good. 28pts 10rbs vs Bulls w/o LBJ 37pts 10rbs vs Blazers w/o LBJ |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2014 4:34:58 GMT
What did Bosh prove as a #1 option? I think he proved, if anything, that he can't do it. He proved that he is a great player who can average 24ppg 10 rpg while he was with the Raptors, he had the misfortune of playing when the Celtics, Magic and Cavaliers were all amazing teams. Each with guys who were better at that point in time, (Pierce, LBJ, Dwight). While with the Heat he has proven that A he can still be a number one option (his scoring averages when LBJ is out proves that) and that he is a well rounded defensive player capable of guarding the 3, 4 and 5. Is he going to get pushed around by really big centers? Yes of course he's undersized for the Center position. But that doesn't mean that he's not good. 28pts 10rbs vs Bulls w/o LBJ 37pts 10rbs vs Blazers w/o LBJ Also, the Eastern Conference has been a joke until recently. |
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Post by tbftw71 on Apr 5, 2014 17:51:04 GMT
The East is such a joke. The Knicks are 10 games under and in the playoffs.
The Pacers have tried stockpiling talent because LeBron is just THAT good. Everyone overhyping the heat. No it's Bron. Wade's a shell of himself. Bosh is a god damn idiot on the court. Gets lost. I swear to god the dude has autism at times. and I even like Bosh. I like his hilarity think he's a funny dude. Just wouldn't want him on my basketball team. I read the posts on this board and you guys all make assumptions for the teams. You're not taking into effect moving these guys in their current state to another team. So many guys are WAY overrated and so many are WAY underrated.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 5, 2014 19:13:02 GMT
The East is such a joke. The Knicks are 10 games under and in the playoffs. The Pacers have tried stockpiling talent because LeBron is just THAT good. Everyone overhyping the heat. No it's Bron. Wade's a shell of himself. Bosh is a god damn idiot on the court. Gets lost. I swear to god the dude has autism at times. and I even like Bosh. I like his hilarity think he's a funny dude. Just wouldn't want him on my basketball team. I read the posts on this board and you guys all make assumptions for the teams. You're not taking into effect moving these guys in their current state to another team. So many guys are WAY overrated and so many are WAY underrated. LeBron plays in the east might as well lower him to an 80 is essentially your new argument for lowering Bosh because your previous arguments proved to be stupid when I applied those to other players. Josh Smith plays in the East and is royally struggling, the more and more you argue this the worse you make it look for Josh Smith. If Bosh is excelling in the East and Josh Smith is struggling then if we are going to lower Bosh to an 80 than one would assume that Josh Smith is in all actuality a 77-78 player. I gave Smith the benefit of the doubt with my rating of 83. When his performance is more in line with a player of Nick Young's caliber. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2014 20:07:31 GMT
How could Josh Smith be struggling when him and Bosh have virtually the same stats?
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 5, 2014 20:09:56 GMT
How could Josh Smith be struggling when him and Bosh have virtually the same stats? Because they don't have the same stats you dense moron. We've been over this, just because you don't believe in FG% doesn't mean it doesn't matter. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2014 20:24:22 GMT
How could Josh Smith be struggling when him and Bosh have virtually the same stats? Because they don't have the same stats you dense moron. We've been over this, just because you don't believe in FG% doesn't mean it doesn't matter. Smith is better in other statical category? Sure it matters but you think it should create a 5 point gap between them? |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 5, 2014 20:40:03 GMT
Look, I understand that you don't like that Josh Smith got lowered. I get that. But this is stupid. He's not as good as Bosh period. I didn't make the thread trying to get him lowered I just agreed.
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 5, 2014 20:53:51 GMT
This is a strange thread. It's taken me a long time to get around to reading it.
Chris Bosh is one of the true unsung heroes of the last decade in my opinion. He could lead a team on his own - in fact he did in Toronto, where he kicked ass! Now he's actually content to play third-fiddle to Wade and Lebron as perhaps the ultimate glue-guy of NBA history since James Worthy.
On the surface his overall stats are down, of course they are, but he's actually improved since signing in Miami.
If you take a peek behind the per-game averages you can see confirmation that Bosh has improved each year.
Far from decreasing him, I'd say he could do with an increase, but since it's hard to judge I'd keep him where he is.
I don't see any point comparing him to Josh Smith (I don't know why the thread has turned into that), so I'm not going to waste space doing so.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2014 20:54:19 GMT
Look, I understand that you don't like that Josh Smith got lowered. I get that. But this is stupid. He's not as good as Bosh period. I didn't make the thread trying to get him lowered I just agreed. I am not upset that Josh Smith got lowered because he is my player. Rather, I am upset that we aren't being consistent and won't lower Bosh even though ALL of there stats are VERY similar. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2014 20:55:22 GMT
This is a strange thread. It's taken me a long time to get around to reading it. Chris Bosh is one of the true unsung heroes of the last decade in my opinion. He could lead a team on his own - in fact he did in Toronto, where he kicked ass! Now he's actually content to play third-fiddle to Wade and Lebron as perhaps the ultimate glue-guy of NBA history since James Worthy. On the surface his overall stats are down, of course they are, but he's actually improved since signing in Miami. If you take a peek behind the per-game averages you can see confirmation that Bosh has improved each year. Far from decreasing him, I'd say he could do with an increase, but since it's hard to judge I'd keep him where he is. I don't see any point comparing him to Josh Smith (I don't know why the thread has turned into that), so I'm not going to waste space doing so. Name one time when Chris Bosh showed he could be THE MAN on a team. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 5, 2014 20:57:17 GMT
This is a strange thread. It's taken me a long time to get around to reading it. Chris Bosh is one of the true unsung heroes of the last decade in my opinion. He could lead a team on his own - in fact he did in Toronto, where he kicked ass! Now he's actually content to play third-fiddle to Wade and Lebron as perhaps the ultimate glue-guy of NBA history since James Worthy. On the surface his overall stats are down, of course they are, but he's actually improved since signing in Miami. If you take a peek behind the per-game averages you can see confirmation that Bosh has improved each year. Far from decreasing him, I'd say he could do with an increase, but since it's hard to judge I'd keep him where he is. I don't see any point comparing him to Josh Smith (I don't know why the thread has turned into that), so I'm not going to waste space doing so. Name one time when Chris Bosh showed he could be THE MAN on a team. Here |
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