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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 3, 2014 1:54:31 GMT
Chris Bosh shot chart 7 zones above league average, 5 at league average, 2 below average Josh Smith shot chart 1 zone above league average, 3 at league average (including right below the rim) 10 below average Edit the picture doesn't change much even back when Smith was on the Hawks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 2:04:29 GMT
Just to add a bit more credibility that I'm not just making this crap up and that I think he truly is a fantastic player, I am the biggest Cavs fan on the damn planet and I freaking hate Chris Bosh. Lol that's the stat you have for me? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 2:04:52 GMT
Chris Bosh shot chart 7 zones above league average, 5 at league average, 2 below average Josh Smith shot chart 1 zone above league average, 3 at league average (including right below the rim) 10 below average Edit the picture doesn't change much even back when Smith was on the Hawks. What does that even mean? |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 3, 2014 2:13:26 GMT
It means you are wrong and can't understand how percentages work.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 2:16:15 GMT
It means you are wrong and can't understand how percentages work. I could save you a lot of time: FG%: Josh Smith - 41.8% Chris Bosh - 52% Then again, think about ALL the open shots he gets because he plays with Wade and Lebron. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 3, 2014 2:18:27 GMT
Have you even watched a Detroit game this season? He gets the ball takes a step forward and shoots it with someone in his face with 17 seconds left on the shot clock. You know who else does that? Nick Young. He's basically Nick Young who can force a few more turnovers. We might as well change his name in the game to Swaggy J.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 2:20:29 GMT
Have you even watched a Detroit game this season? He gets the ball takes a step forward and shoots it with someone in his face with 17 seconds left on the shot clock. You know who else does that? Nick Young. He's basically Nick Young who can force a few more turnovers. We might as well change his name in the game to Swaggy J. Every time I watch Nick Young he impresses me, but Josh Smith has NEVER been a scorer. In fact, you saying that shows your ignorance. Smith would be rated in the 90's if he could score but he changes the game with his defense, rebounding, passing, and overall athleticism which is a skill that not many players possess. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 3, 2014 2:29:32 GMT
Most non scorers actually have good FG% because they don't have as much of an offensive load. If he's not a scorer he sure seems to think so, he shoots it 16 times a game.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 2:32:22 GMT
Most non scorers actually have good FG% because they don't have as much of an offensive load. If he's not a scorer he sure seems to think so, he shoots it 16 times a game. I understand he does stupid shit but it's not a reason to lower him 4 or 5 points. Like I said I am okay with an 85 but he's a MUCH better player than Bosh which is what you and I are arguing about right now. |
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Post by Allen Iverson on Apr 3, 2014 2:35:51 GMT
Chris Bosh when he's still with Toronto (7 seasons): average FG% - 49.0%
Bosh career rpg: 8.9
Smtih career rpg: 7.9
No one will choose Smith over Bosh. Well, except you. They are not on the same level.
Bosh may decrease to 87, but it's stupid to adjust a player with just 1 point in rating.
Josh Smith has NEVER been a scorer, but he takes a lot of shots. It's just that he can't be a reliable option on offense.
You always point out athleticism, yeah that's all he got I think. Dirk has never been a great option on defense either, but is a 90, and he does that with his offense and maybe rebounding. Oh, Dirk is also not athletic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 2:39:24 GMT
Chris Bosh when he's still with Toronto (7 seasons): average FG% - 49.0% Bosh career rpg: 8.9 Smtih career rpg: 7.9 No one will choose Smith over Bosh. Well, except you. They are not on the same level. Bosh may decrease to 87, but it's stupid to adjust a player with just 1 point in rating. Josh Smith has NEVER been a scorer, but he takes a lot of shots. It's just that he can't be a reliable option on offense. You always point out athleticism, yeah that's all he got I think. Dirk has never been a great option on defense either, but is a 90, and he does that with his offense and maybe rebounding. Oh, Dirk is also not athletic. Lmao at you trying to compare Bosh to Dirk. Dirk, in his prime, constituted one of the best players in the history of the NBA and was way better than Bosh or Smith ever dreamed of being. I know people said he stunk on D but it was never soooo obvious as with Bosh. Seriously people need to watch games and quit trying to make absurd comparisons. Oh well, I forgive you for not watching since you live in the Philippines!  |
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Post by Allen Iverson on Apr 3, 2014 2:50:17 GMT
I'm not comparing Dirk to Bosh. Dirk is way better than Bosh of course.
I'm saying athleticisim alone is not enough. Which is what Josh Smith only has. I only took Dirk as an example.
And career rpg? Dirk has averaged more than what your little chucker has, dumbass.
You just cant get over the fact that Josh Smith is on a 4-5 point decrease. I'll stop after this. Dont wanna argue with someone who thinks athleticism alone can make a player be an 87.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 2:58:06 GMT
I'm not comparing Dirk to Bosh. Dirk is way better than Bosh of course. I'm saying athleticisim alone is not enough. Which is what Josh Smith only has. I only took Dirk as an example. And career rpg? Dirk has averaged more than what your little chucker has, dumbass. You just cant get over the fact that Josh Smith is on a 4-5 point decrease. I'll stop after this. Dont wanna argue with someone who thinks athleticism alone can make a player be an 87. Aren't you cute? Josh Smith must be accounted is all I am saying and his overall stats (lots of rebounds, assist, steals, and blocks) show that. You are using historical rebounding stats which heavily inflate Bosh over Smith due to his days in Toronto. This Season Rebounding Stats: Bosh - 6.6 Smith - 6.9 Dirk - 6.2 |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 3, 2014 2:59:39 GMT
So first of all, Josh Smith is only going down to an 85 as of right now. Maybe an 84 at worst, 85 at best if more ratings come in. So, since he was at an 87, that's not a 4-5 point drop, it's a 2-3 point drop. Just wanted to get that out there, been bugging me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 2:59:48 GMT
Oh and I don't really give a damn that it's my own player. Rather, I am going to show how silly some of you are about ratings. Honestly, I think we need to define what we are basing ratings on.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 3, 2014 3:03:45 GMT
Bosh is twice the basketball player that Josh Smith is and has been for his entire career. This argument is stupid. Josh Smith is nothing but untapped physical potential who could have been great but because he's a bonehead and is hard to coach he's the power forward version of a Javale McGee, Nick Young horrifying love child.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 3:04:45 GMT
Bosh is twice the basketball player that Josh Smith is and has been for his entire career. This argument is stupid. Josh Smith is nothing but untapped physical potential who could have been great but because he's a bonehead and is hard to coach he's the power forward version of a Javale McGee, Nick Young horrifying love child. At least can do something on the court. |
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Post by tbftw71 on Apr 3, 2014 3:10:34 GMT
I've been talking with Vlade on FB about this.. and we have gotten nowhere in our discussions but Bosh is a role player at this point in his career. Should NOT even rated in the 80's. I challenge you to tell me what he does better than many of the other small Bigs in the league. He's got the jumper that's adding to his game but he doesn't rebound well. He doesn't necessarily defend well. He gets lost. Gets bailed out by LeBron constantly. I think Bosh is a 78-79 and I think Josh Smith is at tops an 80. Smith is a strong athletic guy but couldn't solve a puzzle from McDonalds. Yet alone try to keep up with the flow of a high powered offense. His team in real life finished terrible and that's on him. They have other pieces there such as Drummond and he just shit the bed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 3:15:40 GMT
So first of all, Josh Smith is only going down to an 85 as of right now. Maybe an 84 at worst, 85 at best if more ratings come in. So, since he was at an 87, that's not a 4-5 point drop, it's a 2-3 point drop. Just wanted to get that out there, been bugging me. Blake's rating wasn't a serious one, the consensus was 84. Blake's rating was as serious as anyone else; only Ian can make calls like that so learn your place. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 3, 2014 3:16:32 GMT
Bosh has been the number one option on playoff teams, the number 3 on two championship squads and is now the number 2 for a championship contender. Josh Smith has never been the number one on any team, and I'm pretty sure has only been on one team who's ever made it past the 1st round. Like it or not this is a scorer's league and has been for some time. LBJ is the best defender in the league but Durant is still gonna score 30 on him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 3:18:21 GMT
Bosh has been the number one option on playoff teams, the number 3 on two championship squads and is now the number 2 for a championship contender. Josh Smith has never been the number one on any team, and I'm pretty sure has only been on one team who's ever made it past the 1st round. Like it or not this is a scorer's league and has been for some time. LBJ is the best defender in the league but Durant is still gonna score 30 on him. When was he the number option? I don't remember him being half man-half amazing? He is the number 3 on this team, if that, period end of statement. Your last statement really seems silly. |
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Post by tbftw71 on Apr 3, 2014 3:18:47 GMT
Number 2? Are you kidding me man?
Bosh is at best a 3-4 option. Bosh on any other team doesn't even get a mention throughout the season. You watch the motherfucker play defense/ Go look up gifs of him getting lost and looking foolish. Bet you find at least 5-10 per game. Smith sucks. And being the number one means jackshit. The ratings system in this league is flawed. There are like 8 different aspects to basketball that go unmentioned and you can apply them to pieces in a system. Because LeBron is so dominate the rest of his real life team gets rewarded/ Chalmers should be a 90 then because he won an NCAA championship and has hit clutch shots.
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Post by tbftw71 on Apr 3, 2014 3:20:02 GMT
And Blake Griffin deserves to be an 88 over either of the two mentioned here. Blake has improved his game tremendously over the years. Bosh has added a three, all while losing the ability to do much else.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 3, 2014 3:20:54 GMT
Bosh Scored 25ppg when he was the number one option on his team. He scored like 36 points when LBJ was out, your argument is stupid and making fake accounts is even more stupid.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 3, 2014 3:22:34 GMT
Who is Bosh the 3 or 4th option to? Captain misses half the games Wade or super sweet career lows Ray Allen? Magically talented freaking Shane Battier. Moron.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Apr 3, 2014 3:49:02 GMT
I know ratings are subjective and stuff but this is one case where you are wrong, there isn't one General Manager in the NBA who would rather have Josh Smith over Chris Bosh given the opportunity. I would rather have Smith than Bosh. If I were assembling the all-street fight team. C: Jason Smith PF: Z- Bo (Dude knocked out OJ Mayo) SF: Josh Smith SG: JR Smith PG: Gilbert Arenas (pulled a gun on his teammate) |
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Post by Alex English on Apr 3, 2014 3:53:44 GMT
Metta World Peace is being snubbed here. He is the fighting MVP.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 12:32:03 GMT
They aren't going to win a title if Wade can't play at a high-level, period, end of statement.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 3, 2014 13:40:21 GMT
They aren't going to win a title if Wade can't play at a high-level, period, end of statement. You could say the same of any contender's third option. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 14:24:30 GMT
They aren't going to win a title if Wade can't play at a high-level, period, end of statement. You could say the same of any contender's third option. *second and actually no I think the Spurs could win without their third option (whoever that may be), Golden State win without their third option (whoever that may be), The Clippers could win without their third option (Crawford?), the Thunder can win without their third option (Reggie Jackson?), the Shaq/Kobe Lakers could have won without their third option (Horry?), the Wade/Shaq heat could win without their third option (whoever that was), the Mavs that won the title three years ago could win with Dirk, Terry, and three guys off the streets of Dallas, and the Heat can win without their third option (Bosh Spice.) |
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