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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 20, 2014 21:41:57 GMT
I did not stay up all night to watch Game 5 here in the UK, I watched the replay the night after, but I will be awake all night to watch the Draft. My team's been waiting for this day since I started D5. I've finally moved away from the team that Danny Ainge built and Thursday next week is the start of my rebuild! This is the reason I created this website!
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 21, 2014 3:00:13 GMT
I'm pretty sure the Cavs are gonna do their thing and take Julius Randle #1 overall.
Remember how big of a surprise Bennett was?
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jun 21, 2014 4:29:56 GMT
The Cavaliers front office might be the second worst in the NBA, behind the New York Knicks. Its no wonder LeBron left them when the best supporting cast they could put around him was a washed up Antawn Jamison, a washed up Shaquille O'Neal, and Mo Williams who normally would be relegated to the bench. If drafting had been different, the Cavs could have Irving/Oladipo/Valančiūnas/Drummond right now and looking a lot more promising.
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jun 21, 2014 4:30:42 GMT
Some more information I found is that the navicular bone takes the longest time to heal in the human body. Only 6 big men have had this injury and none have played over 47.5% of games after surgery. Also, Embiid looks a hell of a lot like Greg Oden Greg Oden looks like what Embiid will look like in 25 years!
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jun 21, 2014 6:57:41 GMT
The Cavaliers front office might be the second worst in the NBA, behind the New York Knicks. Its no wonder LeBron left them when the best supporting cast they could put around him was a washed up Antawn Jamison, a washed up Shaquille O'Neal, and Mo Williams who normally would be relegated to the bench. First step eat a massive dick captain I trade away my title for draft picks.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jun 21, 2014 6:58:31 GMT
Some more information I found is that the navicular bone takes the longest time to heal in the human body. Only 6 big men have had this injury and none have played over 47.5% of games after surgery. Also, Embiid looks a hell of a lot like Greg Oden Greg Oden looks like what Embiid will look like in 25 years! I can't believe it didn't occur to anyone that Greg Oden looked older than my dad at age 18.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 21, 2014 8:32:21 GMT
If Embiid does fall to me at 3 and 4 I will still probably take him. People are invoking The Oden right now, but when Embiid takes the court in December the whole world will be watching. There's a whole bunch of factors to take into consideration. His back was never a real problem, same easily curable injury as Drummond/Bogut/Okafor had. His foot is more worrying but a stress fracture is what Blake Griffin had, which made him miss his rookie year, and it's not really slowed him down. Blake's was in his knee, not foot, but I think so long as his drafting team take care of him, Joel will recover. I hope he somehow falls to #6 in real life and the Celtics get him Add to that - Embiid's a guy who relies on talent rather than athleticism anyway, has solid fundamentals. Like Rondo he's more likely to come back from injury strong, unlike Derrick Rose who relies on athleticism too much. I'm going to keep the faith, even though I'm high on a bunch of guys below the Top 3. Come December we'll see how he looks when he takes the floor.
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jun 21, 2014 9:31:10 GMT
If Embiid does fall to me at 3 and 4 I will still probably take him. People are invoking The Oden right now, but when Embiid takes the court in December the whole world will be watching. There's a whole bunch of factors to take into consideration. His back was never a real problem, same easily curable injury as Drummond/Bogut/Okafor had. His foot is more worrying but a stress fracture is what Blake Griffin had, which made him miss his rookie year, and it's not really slowed him down. Blake's was in his knee, not foot, but I think so long as his drafting team take care of him, Joel will recover. I hope he somehow falls to #6 in real life and the Celtics get him Add to that - Embiid's a guy who relies on talent rather than athleticism anyway, has solid fundamentals. Like Rondo he's more likely to come back from injury strong, unlike Derrick Rose who relies on athleticism too much. I'm going to keep the faith, even though I'm high on a bunch of guys below the Top 3. Come December we'll see how he looks when he takes the floor. I could see him falling to the Celtics, and then they'll trade away Rondo and Green and then tank for next year's draft. Apparently now that he's out of the running for the first pick his agent is trying to get him to fall to the Celtics or Lakers.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 21, 2014 16:54:10 GMT
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 21, 2014 17:46:15 GMT
J and I had this discussion the other night.
You know how you make your draft board, and you just kinda don't rate, for example Wiggins, really high because you know you're not going to get him? Or, like, something along those lines. Well, what if the Cavs just never update their draft boards after the season ends.
It would make a lot of sense, they didn't expect to get 2 top 4 picks, took TT, didn't expect to get number 1 and took Bennett. I'm totally expecting the Cavs to take someone like Saric #1 overall.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 21, 2014 17:47:26 GMT
Screws in your foot suck. I have 8. And haven't been able to run in a year. Let alone cut, set a pick, or dunk. All things I could do before.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 23, 2014 20:43:07 GMT
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jun 26, 2014 1:15:50 GMT
My final predictions for tomorrow, is if Wiggins and Parker don't fall to Philly then they'll take Embiid or Vonleh.
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jun 26, 2014 1:17:18 GMT
Also, if the Cavs trade the 1st pick my mind will be blown.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jun 26, 2014 2:00:56 GMT
I'm pretty sure the #1 overall pick has never been traded in the NBA. I couldn't find it when I googled it.
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jun 26, 2014 2:18:33 GMT
I'm pretty sure the #1 overall pick has never been traded in the NBA. I couldn't find it when I googled it. Yeah, none that I can remember. Would be crazy if it happens.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 26, 2014 4:08:31 GMT
I'm pretty sure the #1 overall pick has never been traded in the NBA. I couldn't find it when I googled it. Yeah, none that I can remember. Would be crazy if it happens. Its getting traded. 100% sure of it. In other news, if you ever want to make a career in journalism, just fall in good with who the Cavs draft, and ride his coattails throughout his career, a la Windhorst and Broussard. Stephen A Smith rode the coat tails of AI, and that gun incident outside his home.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 7, 2014 21:33:09 GMT
I was just watching this clip from the Kings draft war room.
You can see they had Noah Vonleh as #3 on their draft board, with a ceiling comparable to Chris Bosh shown in separate clips.
GM D'Alessandro puts on a happy face throughout, but it's quite clear that Kings owner Vivek Ranadivé has just overridden the entire war room's judgement and forced them to pick Stauskas, lol.
The benefit of Dynasty Five? There's no owners overriding our decisions!
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Post by Alex English on Jul 7, 2014 22:10:34 GMT
I don't know, when the analytics guys were talking about Stauskas' strengths you saw D'Alessandro and Mitch Ritchmond look at each other like 'yea that's what we were thinking too'. The analytics guys definitely would have taken Vonleh. Vivek Ranadive was definitely very involved though, which is not often a good thing. Mark Cuban is the only example I can think of where an active owner hasn't mucked things up. Compared to James Dolan, who keeps the Knicks from being successful in spite of themselves.
I'm definitely happy Vonleh didn't go to the Kings. He was #4 on my board so I'm really happy I got him and Sacramento is where careers go to die.
Cool video.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 7, 2014 22:12:30 GMT
I was just watching this clip from the Kings draft war room. You can see they had Noah Vonleh as #3 on their draft board, with a ceiling comparable to Chris Bosh shown in separate clips. GM D'Alessandro puts on a happy face throughout, but it's quite clear that Kings owner Vivek Ranadivé has just overridden the entire war room's judgement and forced them to pick Stauskas, lol. The benefit of Dynasty Five? There's no owners overriding our decisions! Lol I think that was a mock the crowd scourcers did with their ceilings and floors. I don't remember seeing them show their big board. From what I saw, it seemed like they all wanted Stauskus the whole time and them taking another PF doesn't really make sense.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 7, 2014 22:32:20 GMT
I don't know, when the analytics guys were talking about Stauskas' strengths you saw D'Alessandro and Mitch Ritchmond look at each other like 'yea that's what we were thinking too'. The analytics guys definitely would have taken Vonleh. Vivek Ranadive was definitely very involved though, which is not often a good thing. Mark Cuban is the only example I can think of where an active owner hasn't mucked things up. Compared to James Dolan, who keeps the Knicks from being successful in spite of themselves. I'm definitely happy Vonleh didn't go to the Kings. He was #4 on my board so I'm really happy I got him and Sacramento is where careers go to die. Cool video. I think Stauskus was the right pick for Sacremento, given their off-season moves. While Derrick Williams isn't the answer at their PF spot, I think they needed shooting from a wing and a more defensive oriented big man, and I didn't see Vonleh as that. But that's just me back seat GMing
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jul 8, 2014 0:08:51 GMT
I was just watching this clip from the Kings draft war room. You can see they had Noah Vonleh as #3 on their draft board, with a ceiling comparable to Chris Bosh shown in separate clips. GM D'Alessandro puts on a happy face throughout, but it's quite clear that Kings owner Vivek Ranadivé has just overridden the entire war room's judgement and forced them to pick Stauskas, lol. The benefit of Dynasty Five? There's no owners overriding our decisions! The faces on those analytics are priceless after the owner drafts Stauskas!
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 13, 2014 9:00:32 GMT
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 13, 2014 9:22:01 GMT
My way too early 2015 Draft Watch #1 Prospect: Stanley Johnson, Wing, Arizona.
The guy is insanely advanced physically, reminds me of a high school LeBron if he went to college for a year. Needs to work on his jumper and handle, but, other than that, he should be the first American perimeter player off the board. The guy from may go ahead of him, depending on how this year shakes out.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 18, 2015 11:28:24 GMT
Since the draft is now long gone, here was my 2014 draft board and thoughts on some players, split into tiers. Andrew Wiggins Jabari Parker Dante Exum Joel Embiid Noah Vonleh Goofy beast on both ends Marcus Smart high reputation, low achiever reliable guard Julius Randle overrated PF bulldog Aaron Gordon explosive PF who can't shoot Nik Stauskas underrated shooting guard TJ Warren underrated SF with all around repertoire Zach Lavine Super athletic good shooter, dunker, hard worker with blind confidence Jerami Grant tenacious, defensive PF in a SF's body who can't shoot Rodney Hood underrated reliable SF Adreian Payne explosive stretch power forward with lung condition (28 mins) Tyler Ennis Underathletic floor general and leader Gary Harris Undersized average shooting guard Doug McDermott solid offensive option but nothing else Elfrid Payton Playmaking, long, dependable PG who can't shoot or drive and lacks intensity. Shabazz Napier undersized floor general James Young underathletic but reliable shooting guard Jordan Adams strong, fat, bullying SG with underrated but inconsistent offense and defense (Worse Dion Waiters) Glenn Robinson III super athletic wing player KJ McDaniels slightly slow but solid small forward with hops
Dario Saric fat assed PF who can play PG Cleanthony Early more athletic, less reliable James Young Clint Capela super athletic skinny big with no skills Damien Inglis uber long, young SF who's great on D, awful on O Kyle Anderson slow, underathletic SF who relied on length PJ Hairston slightly slow and clunky SG with good offense Jordan Clarkson point guard who can't shoot and makes questionable decisions Jusuf Nurkic big, white and useless Willing to accept I might've been wrong about Nurkic, lol. edit: obviously this was not the full extent of my analysis on each player, but I quite like to re-read my super-quick, overtly honest overviews
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Post by Alex English on Jan 18, 2015 18:52:05 GMT
Andrew Wiggins has done a complete 180. Look at the difference in stats here:
First 26 games: 30.7 mpg, 12.0 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.3 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.5 bpg, 38.5 FG%, 36.4 3P%, 70.2 FT% Last 13 games: 37.5 mpg, 21.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.7 apg, 1.2 spg, 0.7 bpg, 50.5 FG%, 45.9 3P%, 77.9 FT%
It's like he flipped a switch from rookie to veteran overnight. He's basically guaranteed the Rookie of the Year now, the only other guys even worth considering are Nerlens Noel and Nikola Mirotic, but they're nowhere near him. I'm also really surprised how good a three point shooter he's been. He only shot 34% from the college three and it looked like one of the weakest parts of his game.
Besides Wiggins, Noel and Mirotic there still aren't many positives. Nurkic has been really good, but he's a fouling machine. McDaniels has been as expected, Payton has been decent, but all the others continue to suck.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 18, 2015 19:40:45 GMT
Andrew Wiggins has done a complete 180. Look at the difference in stats here: First 26 games: 30.7 mpg, 12.0 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.3 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.5 bpg, 38.5 FG%, 36.4 3P%, 70.2 FT% Last 13 games: 37.5 mpg, 21.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.7 apg, 1.2 spg, 0.7 bpg, 50.5 FG%, 45.9 3P%, 77.9 FT% It's like he flipped a switch from rookie to veteran overnight. He's basically guaranteed the Rookie of the Year now, the only other guys even worth considering are Nerlens Noel and Nikola Mirotic, but they're nowhere near him. I'm also really surprised how good a three point shooter he's been. He only shot 34% from the college three and it looked like one of the weakest parts of his game. Besides Wiggins, Noel and Mirotic there still aren't many positives. Nurkic has been really good, but he's a fouling machine. McDaniels has been as expected, Payton has been decent, but all the others continue to suck. Just to say it, this was the reason myself and some others were preaching to wait on the Rookie Ratings. Not saying all of them will turn it around like Wiggins has, but give these Rookies time so we can see how they develop, or don't!
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 18, 2015 19:49:05 GMT
Andrew Wiggins has done a complete 180. Look at the difference in stats here: First 26 games: 30.7 mpg, 12.0 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.3 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.5 bpg, 38.5 FG%, 36.4 3P%, 70.2 FT% Last 13 games: 37.5 mpg, 21.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.7 apg, 1.2 spg, 0.7 bpg, 50.5 FG%, 45.9 3P%, 77.9 FT% It's like he flipped a switch from rookie to veteran overnight. He's basically guaranteed the Rookie of the Year now, the only other guys even worth considering are Nerlens Noel and Nikola Mirotic, but they're nowhere near him. I'm also really surprised how good a three point shooter he's been. He only shot 34% from the college three and it looked like one of the weakest parts of his game. Besides Wiggins, Noel and Mirotic there still aren't many positives. Nurkic has been really good, but he's a fouling machine. McDaniels has been as expected, Payton has been decent, but all the others continue to suck. I think it has a lot to do with the play of Dieng, a post presence is the best thing for a wing. Plus he has a good veteran PG who knows how to run an offense, and I'd bet he's giving him good pointers. Also, the kid put hard work in, I think someone just told him, "Look, we don't give a shit about a playoff spot, just go do your thing and be you kid, and relax. Pick me out a winner Bobby"
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 19, 2015 2:54:54 GMT
I think that Wiggins has been very good and made my Cavs regret their decisions greatly.
I still stand by my ratings in the long run on most players.
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