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Post by Charles Barkley on May 25, 2014 20:26:08 GMT
Jabari will probably come in to the league and win Rookie of the Year. He will probably be the highest rated rookie in D5. But that is all because his offensive game is very polished. I think Parker will end up being a decent second option on a team or a really good 3rd option. He may need to play on a team under a good defensive coach who can hide his weaknesses. I see him as being a multi time all-star. He's a combo of Paul Pierce and Melo at best for me.
I think the Cavs will draft the guy with the most potential that fits a need on their roster. They could have taken Oladipo or Noel or anyone last year. But they needed a floor spacing PF and Bennett was it. And I think Bennett will be that in the future. Ultimately, I'd like to see the Cavs swap 1's with Minny and get Love without giving up Waiters. Tristan Thompson, maybe Bennett, swapping 1's, a 2015 first, and a top 3 protected 2016 just incase they can't resign Love or Kyrie. I really don't want the Cavs to over pay for Love. I feel like Love will leave Minny regardless and the first pick is worth Love.
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Post by Charles Barkley on May 26, 2014 22:48:07 GMT
Here is Gordon's workout:
And LaVine's :
Both guys seem to be athletic freaks and, like I said on the podcast, you can't teach athleticism. I think LaVine ultimately goes late lotto and Gordon top 6.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on May 26, 2014 23:32:57 GMT
8th pick doesn't seem so bad
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on May 26, 2014 23:35:50 GMT
I said this on the podcast too, but I really think there's a drop-off after 4 and another drop-off after 8:
1-4 = Embiid, Wiggins, Parker, Exum 5-8 = Randle, Vonleh, Smart, Gordon
After that, you get into the Stauskus, Saric, McDermott range.
I'm seeing a lot of people moving Randle even further down though out of the top 8 and moving Saric up in there. Teams are really concerned about Randle's athleticism/potential compared to these other guys.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 26, 2014 23:59:09 GMT
I said this on the podcast too, but I really think there's a drop-off after 4 and another drop-off after 8: 1-4 = Embiid, Wiggins, Parker, Exum 5-8 = Randle, Vonleh, Smart, Gordon After that, you get into the Stauskus, Saric, McDermott range. I'm seeing a lot of people moving Randle even further down though out of the top 8 and moving Saric up in there. Teams are really concerned about Randle's athleticism/potential compared to these other guys. SMOKESCREEN JOSH WANTS RANDLE!
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Post by Ian Noble on May 27, 2014 0:13:11 GMT
Gordon's really boosting his stock.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on May 27, 2014 0:51:27 GMT
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Post by Charles Barkley on May 27, 2014 1:09:45 GMT
Yeah, I'm not really ranking players 1 by 1, I'm more or less kind of putting them in to tiers. I've got Wiggins and Embiid in the first tier and Exum kind of alone in the 2nd, with Smart, Vonleh, Gordon in the third.
I have tons of other pointless methodical crap on the prospects as well, but just ranking them, that's how I am doing it.
I'd tell you guys why I hate Jabari Parker, but its such a convincing argument, no one would want him.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 27, 2014 17:27:06 GMT
"But Danny Ainge claims he's not one of those GMs and the Celtics aren't one of those teams. In fact, he says the upcoming draft is overrated. That may explain why he didn't sell off some of his players at the deadline for a discount in hopes to tank for a lower seed.
"Yes [it's been overrated] from the very beginning," Ainge said. "It's just all hype. It's a bunch of young kids out playing in AAU basketball and high school and making all sorts of assessments an then they watch them play on the real stages and they're not quite as good. College is a big jump from high school and I think reality has hit. We see the potential in a lot of these guys, but they certainly not LeBron [James] or [Kevin] Durant.""
From CSN Article.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 27, 2014 17:49:36 GMT
Aaron Gordon Rising on my draft board:
I would rate Gordon as superior to Wiggins in terms of NBA defensive potential, as he anchored a truly dominant defense. Give Sean Miller credit for maximizing his talent, but this was by far his best defensive team ever. Gordon appears to play defense with more intensity than Wiggins does, and while he may not be as fast or quick, he is much stronger. It is simply much easier to feel great about the player(s) who led a coach’s all-time best defense over one who led a coach’s all-time worst defense.
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Post by Glenn Robinson on May 28, 2014 0:10:04 GMT
I have my doubts on Gordon. He has a broken shot and he's a tweener. Athletic but too slow to guard on the perimeter and undersized at the 4.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 28, 2014 0:27:23 GMT
I have my doubts on Gordon. He has a broken shot and he's a tweener. Athletic but too slow to guard on the perimeter and undersized at the 4. Aaron Gordon did the agility drill faster than Marcus Smart did, just a thought.
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Post by Charles Barkley on May 28, 2014 0:52:55 GMT
I have my doubts on Gordon. He has a broken shot and he's a tweener. Athletic but too slow to guard on the perimeter and undersized at the 4. Gordon is a 3. All these comparisons about him being Blake Griffin are crazy. Yeah, they are both athletic white guys who can dunk, but that's it. I think Gordon's ceiling is Shawn Marion when he was the Matrix for the Suns. His floor is really low because he doesn't posses any great skills, hes a jack of all trades, master of none type of guy. And if those skills he has don't develop, he is out of the league in 4 years.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 28, 2014 2:23:45 GMT
Every GM who isn't a complete moron: "Did you get an MRI on your back yet? How's it doing?"
Joel Embiid: "I'm actually feeling really good."
GM: "But the MRI. Could we see it? It's good that you feel strong, but we want our doctors to agree before we use a very valuable pick on you."
Embiid: "I'm jumping and dunking, and feeling no pain at-"
GM: "The MRI, Joel. Show us."
Embiid: "I've been lifting weights, and-"
GM: "Em. Are. Eye."
-- With the seventh pick of the 2014 draft, the Los Angeles Lakers select... --
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Post by Charles Barkley on May 28, 2014 2:45:59 GMT
Every GM who isn't a complete moron: "Did you get an MRI on your back yet? How's it doing?" Joel Embiid: "I feel good. BAck strong for rebounds, Jo Jo rebound, help team.." GM: "But the MRI. Could we see it? It's good that you feel strong, but we want our doctors to agree before we use a very valuable pick on you." Embiid: "I jump up, dunk ball. Lift weights Jo Jo strong for rebounds, help team-" GM: "The MRI, Joel. Show us." Embiid: "Jo Jo strong enough for rebound and help team win many games-" GM: "Em. Are. Eye." -- With the seventh pick of the 2014 draft, the Los Angeles Lakers select... -- FTFY
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Post by Ian Noble on May 28, 2014 9:51:50 GMT
I'll be glad when this draft is over and I don't have to think about it any more!
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Post by Glenn Robinson on May 28, 2014 12:54:21 GMT
I have my doubts on Gordon. He has a broken shot and he's a tweener. Athletic but too slow to guard on the perimeter and undersized at the 4. Aaron Gordon did the agility drill faster than Marcus Smart did, just a thought. Agility drills mean nothing. If you let your guy blow past you on the perimeter, you're no good to me or you're playing out of position.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 28, 2014 13:20:50 GMT
I live on the east coast and didn't catch any Arizona games but I'm just pointing out that he has all of the tools there to play defense on the perimeter.
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Post by Charles Barkley on May 28, 2014 17:38:17 GMT
If I were drafting as an NBA team, and I couldn't miss on a prospect, like Milwaukee and Philadelphia, I would have to take Parker. If I were Cleveland, and I could afford to miss, I'd take Wiggins or Embiid. Cleveland was nearly a playoff team with the roster they had.
Ultimately, I think Embiid will have a Bill Walton like career, good at the beginning then have it derailed by injuries. Wiggins won't change the basketball is played but will be a very very good wing player, like a shorter Durant and will eventually put it together and score at will. And I think Parker will be a solid 25 ppg scorer his whole career.
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Post by Charles Barkley on May 28, 2014 22:31:45 GMT
Oh, I mentioned this on the podcast when James Kay mentioned it, but if you google, Lebron and Shaazz, it seems pretty likely Shabazz ends up on the Heat if he is there. Especially with Chalmers being a free agent and likely not coming back.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 30, 2014 2:24:32 GMT
Top 15 on ESPN Jeff Goodman's Mock ( ESPN Insider) 1. Joel Embiid 2. Jabari Parker 3. Andrew Wiggins 4. Dante Exum 5. Julius Randle 6. Marcus Smart 7. Noah Vonleh 8. Aaron Gordon 9. Dougie Fresh 10. Nik Stauskas 11. Gary Harris 12. James Young 13. Tyler Ennis 14. Zach Lavine 15. Dario Saric
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Post by Charles Barkley on May 30, 2014 2:46:25 GMT
Top 15 on ESPN Jeff Goodman's Mock ( ESPN Insider) 1. Joel Embiid 2. Jabari Parker 3. Andrew Wiggins 4. Dante Exum 5. Julius Randle 6. Marcus Smart 7. Noah Vonleh 8. Aaron Gordon 9. Dougie Fresh 10. Nik Stauskas 11. Gary Harris 12. James Young 13. Tyler Ennis 14. Zach Lavine 15. Dario Saric Who the F is Dougie Fresh!? Doug McDermott..............................how do u not know this? Jabari is also Jalopi Parker
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Post by Charles Barkley on May 30, 2014 3:36:52 GMT
Was pretty sure it was a commonly known thing McDermott was Dougie fresh, guess not. I also call him Mickie D's like the restaurant McDonalds.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 8, 2014 16:31:03 GMT
This is the only draft I've ever felt excited about who my 2nd Rounder might land me. I can't believe how deep this draft is, especially compared to last year's.
There's about 20 guys who could've gone 1st last year, although that speaks just as much for the legendarily shit depth of 2013 than the legendarily amazing depth of 2014.
I get to a point where I'm sick of looking at DraftExpress.com scouting reports, but then the next guy I check out ends up looking like yet another solid contributor with an impressive ceiling.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 19, 2014 18:29:39 GMT
I swear DraftExpress.com are being paid to run a smear campaign against Dante Exum's stock, lol. This headline should just read: UGLY FREAK GETS SHUT DOWN BY MARCUS SMART That's the ugliest picture of Dante Exum I've ever seen. DraftExpress have pushed him down to #6 and the only video they have is when he had three nasty turnovers against Marcus Smart, who's now #4 on their list.
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jun 19, 2014 22:29:14 GMT
Too bad about Embiid, I definitely wanted to see Wiggins on the 76ers. I'm not at all a Philly fan, but as a Canadian I'm obviously a fan of Wiggins and would rather see him wear red and blue for a second time.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jun 19, 2014 22:46:14 GMT
Too bad about Embiid, I definitely wanted to see Wiggins on the 76ers. I'm not at all a Philly fan, but as a Canadian I'm obviously a fan of Wiggins and would rather see him wear red and blue for a second time. As a Cavs fan, has an injury ever kept us from doing something stupid and drafting an injured player? Irving, Bennett?
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jun 19, 2014 23:52:31 GMT
Too bad about Embiid, I definitely wanted to see Wiggins on the 76ers. I'm not at all a Philly fan, but as a Canadian I'm obviously a fan of Wiggins and would rather see him wear red and blue for a second time. As a Cavs fan, has an injury ever kept us from doing something stupid and drafting an injured player? Irving, Bennett? Haha true, I could see them doing something random and drafting Exum or something. Still it looks like they'll go safe and draft Parker or go for the most potential with Wiggins now that Embiid might be a piece of glass.
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jun 20, 2014 0:32:18 GMT
Too bad about Embiid, I definitely wanted to see Wiggins on the 76ers. I'm not at all a Philly fan, but as a Canadian I'm obviously a fan of Wiggins and would rather see him wear red and blue for a second time. Everything I'm hearing in Milwaukee is Exum very well could go #2 in the draft which would allow Philadelphia to grab Wiggins at #3. I think if Cleveland goes with Wiggins at #1, Milwaukee will probably go with Parker at #2 as he's been at the top of their big board for a few weeks now. One interesting piece I saw on twitter was that Utah has interest in moving up to the #1 slot. They would move Favors and #5 for the #1 pick and take Jabari. Lots of interesting stuff a week before the draft.
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jun 20, 2014 0:44:28 GMT
Too bad about Embiid, I definitely wanted to see Wiggins on the 76ers. I'm not at all a Philly fan, but as a Canadian I'm obviously a fan of Wiggins and would rather see him wear red and blue for a second time. Everything I'm hearing in Milwaukee is Exum very well could go #2 in the draft which would allow Philadelphia to grab Wiggins at #3. I think if Cleveland goes with Wiggins at #1, Milwaukee will probably go with Parker at #2 as he's been at the top of their big board for a few weeks now. One interesting piece I saw on twitter was that Utah has interest in moving up to the #1 slot. They would move Favors and #5 for the #1 pick and take Jabari. Lots of interesting stuff a week before the draft. Yeah I've been reading a lot of Exum and Parker rumours for Milwaukee. This whole draft will be fun to watch, that's for sure.
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