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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 14, 2016 16:53:05 GMT
Boston Celticsreceive:
72 - Cameron Payne - $1,444,200 - $1,509,200 - $1,574,200 - $2,417,971 - $3,414,175
77 - Chris Kaman - $6,876,550 - $7,632,971
Total: $8,320,750
send:
69 - Anthony Bennett - $3,503,500 - $3,635,708 - $3,749,680
75 - Derrick Williams - $8,262,482
Total: $11,765,982 San Antonio Spursreceive:
69 - Anthony Bennett - $3,503,500 - $3,635,708 - $3,749,680
75 - Derrick Williams - $8,262,482
Total: $11,765,982
send:
72 - Cameron Payne - $1,444,200 - $1,509,200 - $1,574,200 - $2,417,971 - $3,414,175
77 - Chris Kaman - $6,876,550 - $7,632,971
Total: $8,320,750
I've been targeting Cameron Payne for a while. I couldn't get him off Philly but me and JR have been back and forth since his trade and JR proposed this to me. I've held out hope on Bennett for a long time. He looked like Larry Johnson 2.0 when I traded Alec Burks for him during the 2013 draft, he started every game for my team for two years and he may still put together a good NBA career, he certainly dominated for Canada last Summer. Maybe it's just a matter of getting playing time, Cleveland, Minny and especially Toronto just wrote him off, but when he gets more than 5 minutes playing time he always produces. I don't know and I'd rather pick up Payne. This is the first time I've ever traded one of the players I feel really invested in, enough to make one of my player profiles. The original deal was just Bennett for Payne, but I was pretty sure the TC would reject it so I'm taking on Kaman's ugly contract next year as well. edit: This exceeds the 125% rule but the Spurs have more than $3,445,232 cap space.
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Post by JR Wiles on Mar 14, 2016 16:58:57 GMT
Cameron was a nice pickup but i already have two pgs moving forward. I also have Pierre Jackson. Of course just like Bennett, we have high hopes that Pierre gets his act together and shows his skills that we know they have. We have younger guards and we dont need any more pgs, so this is a need for both teams.Hopefully he jumps with a team and does well and i get this as a steal.
We also get rid of old man Kaman to bring in Arizona big man Williams. We are adding the young guys we need to see what we will do after the season and moving forward. Williams is a nice big that we have liked since his days in Arizona. Now after Bynum and his contract are voided at seasons end we will have cap to sign our young guys. Best of luck to the guys leaving!!
As GM of SA we accept.--We accept after Ian edited the trade with Williams and Kaman.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 17:09:57 GMT
now the TC will be torn between their love for JR and their love for Ian
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Post by JR Wiles on Mar 14, 2016 17:16:56 GMT
Our Depth Chart Moving Forward--
--Reggie Jackson-Pierre Jackson
--Isaiah Thomas-Nik Stauskas-Nick Young
--Evan Turner-Dion Waiters-Garrett Temple
--Derrick Williams-Anthony Bennett-Tarik Black
--Jared Sullinger-Tyler Zeller
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Post by JR Wiles on Mar 14, 2016 17:17:44 GMT
One more vet to give away...Anyone want Nick Young..HMU
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 14, 2016 17:35:23 GMT
JR, don't do it.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 14, 2016 17:44:15 GMT
Great trade for both parties. It makes sense to move Payne with Jackson leaving in free agency and IT being dubbed the franchise guy. Anthony Bennett is great return on value, especially now that he will be getting more playtime in either China or Europe. I'll accept. Lol |
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Post by JR Wiles on Mar 14, 2016 17:58:32 GMT
Jackson isnt leaving and if he does that will be his mistake. We have a nice young team that he and Isaiah can dominate and be similar to the Celtics IRL. There have been many guys that have started extra slow and eventually blossomed. We are young and we have the time and minutes for Anthony to grow. Its a win win either way.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 14, 2016 18:10:31 GMT
Jackson isnt leaving and if he does that will be his mistake. We have a nice young team that he and Isaiah can dominate and be similar to the Celtics IRL. There have been many guys that have started extra slow and eventually blossomed. We are young and we have the time and minutes for Anthony to grow. Its a win win either way. Do you seriously think Bennett has value? |
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Post by JR Wiles on Mar 14, 2016 18:19:30 GMT
Every player has value. Any player that plays in the NBA is good. Does the player have the drive and ethics yo become a rotation guy...thats on them. We bring in guys with talent and potential. This may be his last go around in the NBA and here in our league. Hopefully he signs in Phoenix or somewhere and gets the minutes to learn the NBA game to get better. He was not given the opportunity in Toronto. His next destination will tell if he will ever work in the NBA. Until then...yes i think he has value.
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Post by JR Wiles on Mar 14, 2016 18:25:07 GMT
Jackson isnt leaving and if he does that will be his mistake. We have a nice young team that he and Isaiah can dominate and be similar to the Celtics IRL. There have been many guys that have started extra slow and eventually blossomed. We are young and we have the time and minutes for Anthony to grow. Its a win win either way. Do you seriously think Bennett has value? How much value does Harris have? I hate stupid questions. I wouldnt trade for him if i didnt like his game or believe he still had a chance to become something. The guy is young. Garnett took several years. Sometimes guys just start out like this. Maybe ill be wrong but its worth the risk and the trade. |
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Post by Danny Longley on Mar 14, 2016 18:56:24 GMT
Honestly not a fan of this trade - I like Cameron Payne a lot, but that is still going to be about 9m off the books.
Anthony Bennett has to have 0 value at this point - I don't think it's even a matter of not getting a chance anymore, he didn't even do well at a D-League level - 9 PPG on 34% shooting and 3 RPG, maybe when he does come back from China or wherever, he'll be worth something but right now that has to be a zero outside of as an expiring contract.
At least Kaman has negative value, so it's not a total loss, but the current state of the league has devalued cap space so hard at least IMO, that I'm still a bit uneasy letting it through.
So yeah, that's where I stand right now - I'll vote when I wake up - maybe I'll feel better about this when it's not 3 in the morning.
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Post by JR Wiles on Mar 14, 2016 19:13:09 GMT
Hes not over seas. He will prob sign with the Suns or another team. Teams are just waiting on waivers to clear so they dont have to pay his orig contract. He has value. It may not be much but its something.
Bennett+Williams-Kamans cap save=Payne
It works and is fair. You cant give a former #1 no value. Even Kwame earned a little value eventually.
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Post by JR Wiles on Mar 14, 2016 19:15:31 GMT
Just because some of you may not be a fan of AB...some still believe and what if he does turn into something. Seriously guys...the trades fair. If so accept and move on. Please...thanks...
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Post by Charles Barkley on Mar 14, 2016 19:18:17 GMT
Every player has value. Any player that plays in the NBA is good. Does the player have the drive and ethics yo become a rotation guy...thats on them. We bring in guys with talent and potential. This may be his last go around in the NBA and here in our league. Hopefully he signs in Phoenix or somewhere and gets the minutes to learn the NBA game to get better. He was not given the opportunity in Toronto. His next destination will tell if he will ever work in the NBA. Until then...yes i think he has value. The thing about this trade though is that in order for it to pass, Chris Kaman needs to have negative value, which isn't really value. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 14, 2016 19:24:28 GMT
Every player has value. Any player that plays in the NBA is good. Does the player have the drive and ethics yo become a rotation guy...thats on them. We bring in guys with talent and potential. This may be his last go around in the NBA and here in our league. Hopefully he signs in Phoenix or somewhere and gets the minutes to learn the NBA game to get better. He was not given the opportunity in Toronto. His next destination will tell if he will ever work in the NBA. Until then...yes i think he has value. The thing about this trade though is that in order for it to pass, Chris Kaman needs to have negative value, which isn't really value. Chris Kaman and his contract does have negative value. Even with a $90m cap. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Mar 14, 2016 19:45:20 GMT
The thing about this trade though is that in order for it to pass, Chris Kaman needs to have negative value, which isn't really value. Chris Kaman and his contract does have negative value. Even with a $90m cap. I know, what I said was in reference to JR saying everyone has value. I would say tho, if the cap were 70 million, KAman's contract has a lot more negative value than it does now, at least in the minds of the GMs |
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Post by JR Wiles on Mar 14, 2016 20:05:24 GMT
Fact- I have 3-4 pgs without Payne.
Fact- I need cap space to offer Reggie a contract at the end of the season. This trade does that. If i can only still trade my last vet for cap space that would be even better.
Fact- if or when Williams walks that would save me more cap for FA/Reggie.
Fact-Anthony Bennett is still NBA material and the Suns are interested in signing him maybe long term.
Fact- We are rebuilding and rebuilding teams take risks...Thats what i think we are doing here. If he does not stay in the league i save cap eventually to sign future players.
Fact-I always tried to build around legit vet players and it was ok until gms caught on. Im rebuilding not by choice. Can you guys just let me rebuild. Even if AB does not work out...we have the rebuild roster to get better. Its not hurting my team. And i dont think if another gm took over he would not like the team or get value for his players.
Fact- As is this trade is fair. Maybe not what some gms would do but its fair and that should be the only reason for the decision.
Accept this trade as we rebuild and if by luck he turns it around it will be a steal and a risk that worked out and just made this young team that much better!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 21:25:03 GMT
Hes not over seas. He will prob sign with the Suns or another team. Teams are just waiting on waivers to clear so they dont have to pay his orig contract. He has value. It may not be much but its something. Bennett+Williams-Kamans cap save=Payne It works and is fair. You cant give a former #1 no value. Even Kwame earned a little value eventually. Lol teams aren't waiting for waivers to clear, he was signed on a minimum contract in Toronto. |
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Post by Alex English on Mar 14, 2016 21:33:05 GMT
Accept
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Post by JR Wiles on Mar 14, 2016 21:33:15 GMT
Hes not over seas. He will prob sign with the Suns or another team. Teams are just waiting on waivers to clear so they dont have to pay his orig contract. He has value. It may not be much but its something. Bennett+Williams-Kamans cap save=Payne It works and is fair. You cant give a former #1 no value. Even Kwame earned a little value eventually. Lol teams aren't waiting for waivers to clear, he was signed on a minimum contract in Toronto. |
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Post by JR Wiles on Mar 14, 2016 21:43:55 GMT
Yes he cleared waivers so Toronto is stuck paying him the remainder of his contract. Its his choice now where he goes. Of course if anyone gives him a chance. And as for value...hes getting paid still so he has some value left. Just hoping between now and next season he signs with a younger team that will offer mins.
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Post by JR Wiles on Mar 14, 2016 21:56:48 GMT
TC-
Some of you may not like AB or think he will play again or have value but its no different then any other gm that includes a vet player with no value still playing in our league. I truly feel he has one chance left in the league and he needs to sign with the right team offering mins and to grow. There are many rookies out there playong no mins on teams. Theres no difference. He was a #1 pick. Whats it going to hurt to take one last chance on the guy. We need big men and wr get two young prospects. Derrick Williams is a solid backup as well on an expiring contract. Between his contract and saving a year on Kamans contract, we ate making cap room to hopefully resign Reggie Jackson. Thats our goal and this trade is for that and to acquire big men. We have 3-4 pgs already. We have Thomas, RJ, Pierre Jackson and Turner can even run the point. Think about it and see where we are going and realize we are rebuilding.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 14, 2016 21:58:43 GMT
Great trade for both parties. It makes sense to move Payne with Jackson leaving in free agency and IT being dubbed the franchise guy. Anthony Bennett is great return on value, especially now that he will be getting more playtime in either China or Europe. I'll accept. Count this as three votes already  |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 14, 2016 22:11:25 GMT
Yes he cleared waivers so Toronto is stuck paying him the remainder of his contract. Its his choice now where he goes. Of course if anyone gives him a chance. And as for value...hes getting paid still so he has some value left. Just hoping between now and next season he signs with a younger team that will offer mins. You do realize he was on Minnesota, right? |
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Post by JR Wiles on Mar 14, 2016 22:13:48 GMT
Wtf do you think??
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Post by JR Wiles on Mar 14, 2016 22:18:43 GMT
Seriously ive read articles recently saying that hes still a talented kid with upside. That he was waived to bring in a player who has playoff experience for this years playoffs.
Im not sure what teams are interested but i have heard the suns for one.
Casey doesnt like to develop or have time for the younger guys. They are doing well and Scola has played well for the team making AB expendable. So give him little value. Hes still made over $10 mil in his career. More than we ever will. I dont consider that a complete bust. He worked and got paid. Now only the future knows if he will take that money and run or work harder than he has to make more money. We will see i guess.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Mar 14, 2016 22:30:47 GMT
Seriously ive read articles recently saying that hes still a talented kid with upside. That he was waived to bring in a player who has playoff experience for this years playoffs. Im not sure what teams are interested but i have heard the suns for one. Casey doesnt like to develop or have time for the younger guys. They are doing well and Scola has played well for the team making AB expendable. So give him little value. Hes still made over $10 mil in his career. More than we ever will. I dont consider that a complete bust. He worked and got paid. Now only the future knows if he will take that money and run or work harder than he has to make more money. We will see i guess. Bruh, we all thought he was a talented kid with upside until we realized he was fat and lazy and couldn't run the length of the court 5 times. Anthony Bennett can't be considered a bust because that whole draft was full of busters. I don't think one person from that draft starts for a playoff team. Bennett is done. Don't know why you're trading for him, Payne is a way better asset and worth more than the 7 million in cap space and Bennett. I reject. #MakeTheSpursGreatAgain Also, JR, if we had restricted free agency, you wouldn't need that cap space for Reggie, bruh. |
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Post by JR Wiles on Mar 14, 2016 22:59:45 GMT
Seriously ive read articles recently saying that hes still a talented kid with upside. That he was waived to bring in a player who has playoff experience for this years playoffs. Im not sure what teams are interested but i have heard the suns for one. Casey doesnt like to develop or have time for the younger guys. They are doing well and Scola has played well for the team making AB expendable. So give him little value. Hes still made over $10 mil in his career. More than we ever will. I dont consider that a complete bust. He worked and got paid. Now only the future knows if he will take that money and run or work harder than he has to make more money. We will see i guess. Bruh, we all thought he was a talented kid with upside until we realized he was fat and lazy and couldn't run the length of the court 5 times. Anthony Bennett can't be considered a bust because that whole draft was full of busters. I don't think one person from that draft starts for a playoff team. Bennett is done. Don't know why you're trading for him, Payne is a way better asset and worth more than the 7 million in cap space and Bennett. I reject. #MakeTheSpursGreatAgain Also, JR, if we had restricted free agency, you wouldn't need that cap space for Reggie, bruh. Did you hear what ive posted? I dont care if you or anyone else thinks hes a bust with no value. Im still getting cap space and Derrick Williams. Not only that the GM of the team he was just waived...commented that he is talented and still has a chance with the right team. Yes, i get the whole RFA thing. Yes im still against it. Why...because i didnt get it when i lost Tim Duncan did I? Anyway this is about now and a fair trade. And exactly most of the draft class was not good. I dont get where you are coming from with your # hashtag shit. The Spurs are good and bevoming better. I dont need or want help so back the fuck up. Thanks |
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Mar 15, 2016 11:57:43 GMT
I get that Anthony Bennett will likely be a bust and Cameron Payne will likely have a better NBA career but its to early to say. Basically we are predicting the future with Cameron Payne.
I accept, JR gets a prospect and $7,632,971 more in cap space.
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