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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 30, 2015 1:34:54 GMT
What is your best trade flip this season?
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 30, 2015 1:41:37 GMT
Mine is
Joe Johnson
turning to
68 Damien Inglis $500,00 $600,000 $700,000 HOU 2017 2nd Round Pick HOU 2018 2nd Round Pick DEN 2016 2nd
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Post by Ian Noble on May 30, 2015 9:38:48 GMT
I consider my finest moment as a GM my Rajon Rondo trade from Feb 2014. It was pretty much all I thought about for a month. That trade is still panning out, but currently looks like: Rajon Rondo Avery Bradley BOS 2015 2nd
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DAL 2014 1st (Shabazz Napier) CLE 2014 1st (Adriean Payne) BKN 2015 1st PHX 2015 1st CHI 2015 1st SAC 2016 1st SAC 2016 2nd IND 2016 1st SAC 2018 1st It probably helps that Rondo subsequently lost half his trade value.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 30, 2015 11:58:50 GMT
I consider my finest moment as a GM my Rajon Rondo trade from Feb 2014. It was pretty much all I thought about for a month. That trade is still panning out, but currently looks like: Rajon Rondo Avery Bradley BOS 2015 2nd
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DAL 2014 1st (Shabazz Napier) CLE 2014 1st (Adriean Payne) BKN 2015 1st PHX 2015 1st CHI 2015 1st SAC 2016 1st SAC 2016 2nd IND 2016 1st SAC 2018 1st It probably helps that Rondo subsequently lost half his trade value. If Dallas gets the crown this season, he won that trade
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 12:22:11 GMT
what the hell how 瓦斯 that accepted?
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Post by Sam Bowie on May 30, 2015 14:36:20 GMT
I admire Ian's ability to get multiple 1sts in 1 trade!
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Post by JR Wiles on May 30, 2015 16:50:54 GMT
Def a trade that should have never went through. Even how good he was at the time.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 30, 2015 18:22:02 GMT
It's worth mentioning that I got 6 1sts in that trade, but I've listed 8 because of the infamous trade with Sacto. People seem to be losing their minds over that deal but it's only because I'm a lucky bastard it turned into 8.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 18:24:34 GMT
It's worth mentioning that I got 6 1sts in that trade, but I've listed 8 because of the infamous trade with Sacto. People seem to be losing their minds over that deal but it's only because I'm a lucky bastard it turned into 8. You also traded the 14th pick this year for the 26th pick this year; to move up from 26 to 14 would cost AT LEAST one 1st rounder.
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Post by Sam Bowie on May 30, 2015 21:55:48 GMT
But it wouldn't have been a 14th pick if you decided to make the playoffs.
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Post by Danny Longley on May 30, 2015 22:01:31 GMT
Losing that Rondo trade pretty hard in terms of value, but I'm actually fine with where it's taken me. To be fair, my thought process in giving up for 1sts was that only the PHX pick had any shot at being a lottery pick - turned out about right. Cleveland had a pretty decent roster with KG and Pierce pre-decline ratings and I believe Deron,Ibaka & Derozan as well. Brooklyn had an okay lineup as well before Billy King decided to tank without his 1st . a bit sour on having dealt Patterson on that trade, but it really felt like he had stagnated at the time. As for the topic, probably not my best trade - definitely nothing amazing in terms of value, but the trade that I had the most fun as a result of was with was my trade with Memphis: This was the biggest move in a series of trades where I'd stay up from midnight to dawn, sit in trade chat and just look for people to clear cap off. Just real fun stuff, working with Jeremiah, Jay-Z, Vlade and Scal - probably the closest I'll ever feel to actually working in an NBA front office. Didn't land a superstar or anything, but these trades let me add a good bunch of veterans in Pierce, Courtney Lee, Chris Andersen and James Jones. Had to overpay for Pierce, but I figured I'd have to as unlike IRL - there wasn't a buffer of Lebron/Melo/Parsons that teams would check in with before Pierce.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 22:31:32 GMT
But it wouldn't have been a 14th pick if you decided to make the playoffs. I didn't tank or anything on purpose if that's what you are implying. Rather, the west remains a tough conference and Ian and I both understood this when we made the deal; hence why I gave him three first round picks for it. This situation illustrates the fact that a team's original pick is more valuable to them than to anyone else.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 30, 2015 22:40:36 GMT
This was the biggest move in a series of trades where I'd stay up from midnight to dawn, sit in trade chat and just look for people to clear cap off. Just real fun stuff, working with Jeremiah, Jay-Z, Vlade and Scal - probably the closest I'll ever feel to actually working in an NBA front office. Didn't land a superstar or anything, but these trades let me add a good bunch of veterans in Pierce, Courtney Lee, Chris Andersen and James Jones. So happy to read this quote.
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Post by Sam Bowie on May 30, 2015 23:27:21 GMT
But it wouldn't have been a 14th pick if you decided to make the playoffs. I didn't tank or anything on purpose if that's what you are implying. Rather, the west remains a tough conference and Ian and I both understood this when we made the deal; hence why I gave him three first round picks for it. This situation illustrates the fact that a team's original pick is more valuable to them than to anyone else. What I meant is that I feel like you could make your team even better if you wanted to. dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/5047/hou-min-sacI think getting Luis Scola for free was one of the best moves of the season and I believe that with your gm level you could get a better starting sf than Dunleavy. I believe that keeping Dunleavy as a starter with no backup really hurt your chances of making the playoffs and possibly battling for the title.
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Post by Sam Bowie on May 30, 2015 23:40:45 GMT
I consider my finest moment as a GM my Rajon Rondo trade from Feb 2014. It was pretty much all I thought about for a month. That trade is still panning out, but currently looks like: Rajon Rondo Avery Bradley BOS 2015 2nd
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DAL 2014 1st (Shabazz Napier) CLE 2014 1st (Adriean Payne) BKN 2015 1st PHX 2015 1st CHI 2015 1st SAC 2016 1st SAC 2016 2nd IND 2016 1st SAC 2018 1st It probably helps that Rondo subsequently lost half his trade value. I have 2 questions about that trade: A) Who made the offer? B) Ian, Would you have accepted the deal if Mavs offered 5 1sts instead of 6?
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Post by Clyde Drexler on May 31, 2015 0:22:19 GMT
I consider my finest moment as a GM my Rajon Rondo trade from Feb 2014. It was pretty much all I thought about for a month. That trade is still panning out, but currently looks like: Rajon Rondo Avery Bradley BOS 2015 2nd
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DAL 2014 1st (Shabazz Napier) CLE 2014 1st (Adriean Payne) BKN 2015 1st PHX 2015 1st CHI 2015 1st SAC 2016 1st SAC 2016 2nd IND 2016 1st SAC 2018 1st It probably helps that Rondo subsequently lost half his trade value. How the hell...
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Post by Danny Longley on May 31, 2015 0:32:11 GMT
I consider my finest moment as a GM my Rajon Rondo trade from Feb 2014. It was pretty much all I thought about for a month. That trade is still panning out, but currently looks like: Rajon Rondo Avery Bradley BOS 2015 2nd
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DAL 2014 1st (Shabazz Napier) CLE 2014 1st (Adriean Payne) BKN 2015 1st PHX 2015 1st CHI 2015 1st SAC 2016 1st SAC 2016 2nd IND 2016 1st SAC 2018 1st It probably helps that Rondo subsequently lost half his trade value. I have 2 questions about that trade: A) Who made the offer? B) Ian, Would you have accepted the deal if Mavs offered 5 1sts instead of 6? Don't think you actually bothered to read the original trade, it was actually a 3-team trade with Indiana involved . My part was pretty much: Receive: 87 Rajon Rondo - $11,945,545 - $12,909,091 78 Nate Robinson - $2,900,000 - $3,300,000 BOS 2015 2nd IND 2016 2nd Total: $14,845,545 Send: 83 Shawn Marion - $9,066,796 69 Patrick Patterson - $3,105,302 - $4,319,474 CLE 2014 1st - #18 (Tyler Ennis) DAL 2014 1st - #22 (Shabazz Napier) BKN 2015 1st - #16 PHX 2015 1st - Projected #11 Total: $12,172,098 Still not happy with it from a value perspective at this point, but eh, what's a guy to do.
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Post by Sam Bowie on May 31, 2015 0:49:02 GMT
Don't think you actually bothered to read the original trade, it was actually a 3-team trade with Indiana involved . Yes, I missed that. Sorry. The 2nd question is still valid though.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 31, 2015 1:16:53 GMT
I didn't tank or anything on purpose if that's what you are implying. Rather, the west remains a tough conference and Ian and I both understood this when we made the deal; hence why I gave him three first round picks for it. This situation illustrates the fact that a team's original pick is more valuable to them than to anyone else. What I meant is that I feel like you could make your team even better if you wanted to. dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/5047/hou-min-sacI think getting Luis Scola for free was one of the best moves of the season and I believe that with your gm level you could get a better starting sf than Dunleavy. I believe that keeping Dunleavy as a starter with no backup really hurt your chances of making the playoffs and possibly battling for the title. I think the plan of Vlade is plain and simple. He does not want to improve his team through trade because he knows he will have a lot of cap space to spend this offseason. After signing M. Gasol, he can still add one more star and when that happens, he may make those moves to improve his bench. Lets find out this offseason.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 1:28:52 GMT
What I meant is that I feel like you could make your team even better if you wanted to. dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/5047/hou-min-sacI think getting Luis Scola for free was one of the best moves of the season and I believe that with your gm level you could get a better starting sf than Dunleavy. I believe that keeping Dunleavy as a starter with no backup really hurt your chances of making the playoffs and possibly battling for the title. I think the plan of Vlade is plain and simple. He does not want to improve his team through trade because he knows he will have a lot of cap space to spend this offseason. After signing M. Gasol, he can still add one more star and when that happens, he may make those moves to improve his bench. Lets find out this offseason. Also, do not forget about Dunleavy, McBob, and the 14th pick!
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Post by Charles Barkley on May 31, 2015 23:11:54 GMT
This was the biggest move in a series of trades where I'd stay up from midnight to dawn, sit in trade chat and just look for people to clear cap off. Just real fun stuff, working with Jeremiah, Jay-Z, Vlade and Scal - probably the closest I'll ever feel to actually working in an NBA front office. Didn't land a superstar or anything, but these trades let me add a good bunch of veterans in Pierce, Courtney Lee, Chris Andersen and James Jones. So happy to read this quote. I felt like that at last years draft. And I still get into that mode, where I'll spend 3 days thinking about how I COULD move X for Y and such. This is a nice release, but at a point, it brings on stress lol. I think last years draft I made 5 trades? Maybe more. I had 4 solid offers that I was considering for the Parker pick, and 4 for the 5th. I honestly wonder what real NBA GMs think about. They aren't constantly mulling over trades or thinking out how to better their team in-season very often. I know Jeremiah and I spend hours watching grainy footage of the upcoming rookies. I assume a lot of Lotto teams are. The difference between them and us is, we can't go watch the Santa Monica and the other Cali workouts, or host private workouts. But I doubt any of the real GM's have draft express's top 100 pretty well memorized. And I still have 10 hours of the NBA combine on my DVR. Walt and I are constantly looking at advanced data. We may not all be real GM's, but come draft time, we are all TRUE scouts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 8:22:49 GMT
So happy to read this quote. I felt like that at last years draft. And I still get into that mode, where I'll spend 3 days thinking about how I COULD move X for Y and such. This is a nice release, but at a point, it brings on stress lol. I think last years draft I made 5 trades? Maybe more. I had 4 solid offers that I was considering for the Parker pick, and 4 for the 5th. I honestly wonder what real NBA GMs think about. They aren't constantly mulling over trades or thinking out how to better their team in-season very often. I know Jeremiah and I spend hours watching grainy footage of the upcoming rookies. I assume a lot of Lotto teams are. The difference between them and us is, we can't go watch the Santa Monica and the other Cali workouts, or host private workouts. But I doubt any of the real GM's have draft express's top 100 pretty well memorized. And I still have 10 hours of the NBA combine on my DVR. Walt and I are constantly looking at advanced data. We may not all be real GM's, but come draft time, we are all TRUE scouts. If only I had a lottery pick I just get fatass Jabari instead.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 1, 2015 13:16:24 GMT
Hmm. Luckily for me, I can look back on every trade this season, even going back to last year's draft, and I'm still OK with all of them.
Swapped #23 (Caboclo) for #'s 26 (McDaniels) and 29 (Cleanthony Early). None of those guys are setting the world on fire but McDaniels looks to have a future at least and I don't miss Caboclo at all.
Also, pretty happy I was able to unload JaVale McGee's contract and only had to take back Kirk Hinrich. Who I then later dealt with Calderon for expiring contracts, so all told I cleared about 14-15 million in cap as a result of that trade kicking off my rebuild, even though my real big trade, the next one, is the one most would point to as the rebuild starter. This one was only a month or less before the big 3-way.
So, my biggest trade was also my favorite. Listen, I'm still a Kevin Love fan tbh, but it has become clear that I'm one of the few. Honestly, I was tired of fighting about it. So, having waited too long, I may have shot myself in the foot. Love only has 2 years on his contract at the time I'm looking to deal him, and we are at the height of "Bird Rights means everything!" here in D5 at that time, which is justified. My team is good but not great, will make the playoffs but won't win them, and to me that's just not good enough.
So, packaging Love with Tyson Chandler (a combined 3 years of contract, neither has Bird Rights), I walk out of the deal with a new young centerpiece in Victor Oladipo, the Draft Rights to Clint Capela and Josh Huestis (Capela could be a backup big man which has value), plus Utah's Lottery pick in this year's draft, which is a draft I like a good amount. I didn't luck out and hit the lotto with Utah's pick, but there was a chance I could, and even if I didn't (I didn't) I still can get a player I like at that spot, or use it as a valuable trade chip.
To top it off, I didn't even cost myself that super outside shot at making noise in the playoffs. Even though I would have rather had another lottery ticket and not made the playoffs, this "rebuilding trade" still had me in the playoffs PLUS I gained a Lotto pick (#10) and a young stud with bird rights, Victor Oladipo, who fit right in at a position I've needed to be younger at for a while.
Shout out to the trade in the offseason where I dealt Kevin Martin for Shumpert and Gorgui Dieng. May actually be my personal favorite in some ways!
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