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Post by Sam Bowie on Mar 17, 2015 22:26:53 GMT
i can still be under 140 millions which is the proposed Hard cap.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 17, 2015 22:35:33 GMT
i can still be under 140 millions which is the proposed Hard cap. you are being annoying right now.
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Post by Sam Bowie on Mar 17, 2015 22:41:00 GMT
you are being annoying right now. Agreed but I believe I do have a point. Anyway, Just making sure we discuss this now and not later when it matters most.
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 19, 2015 16:29:22 GMT
I've re-read this entire thread today. This topic has been a real labour throughout this season. It's taken me 2 hours to write this post (!). Cap Holds for Bird Rights Players are clearly a good idea. Cap Holds will definitely be going ahead this off season as per the text below. However it is extremely difficult to know whether we even need a Hard Cap. Negatives: 1. It's already difficult for GMs to "hoard talent" because a good player will not re-sign, even with Bird Rights, if he lives on your team's bench. Even a non-star player like Nikola Pekovic may not pick up his $10m PO next season to sit on the Nuggets bench.
2. Teams that get stuck acquiring only long term deals, like Denver and Miami, can only do so for so long. At some point, 10 years from now, Paul George, Kyrie Irving and James Harden will not be considered superstars, their ratings will fall, and Denver will have to have a firesale and re-tool. Quite often it only takes a few years for a player to fall from stardom, let alone 10 years.
3. GMs over the "soft" salary cap already cannot sign new players for anything higher than the MLE, limiting them to mediocre talent at best, they have to continue improving their team with trades, and being good at trading is what this league is all about. Positives: 1. Although I brought up the example of Nikola Pekovic opting out this off season, without a hard cap it isn't too difficult to hoard talent, Pekovic could just be traded for a longer-term deal. Or for instance if Brook Lopez was sat on Denver's bench he would still be stuck there for the next four years. A hard cap would prompt these teams into action and stop trading stagnation which causes boredom and lack of parity around the league. Also in real life you could only fit 3 or 4 max deals on a team and 200% allows a lot more than that.
2. Team are getting locked into the process of only acquiring players on long-term deals, causing some areas of the league stagnate, this process would at least be limited by a hard cap.
3. Since D5 does not have a luxury tax, a hard cap performs a similar duty.
4. If a GM already has a team at the hard cap but "strikes gold" and acquires a great player, and then cannot re-sign them, they will have to make changes and decide which players to keep, it's a good problem to have and once again helps parity and league activity.
If we go ahead with the Hard Cap, and I think must of us agree we should, I feel this is how it should happen: What should the Hard Cap be set at? 200% of the salary cap (currently $126,130,000). How will the Hard Cap be introduced? Over the course of 4 years, beginning at 230% of the salary cap.
So if the salary cap does not change, this will be the level of the hard cap going forward: 2014/15 - $189,195,000 (230% of salary cap) 2015/16 - $138,743,000 (220% of salary cap) 2016/17 - $132,436,500 (210% of salary cap) 2017/18 - $126,130,000 (200% of salary cap)
Obviously the salary cap will change, but those percentages will remain the same and will be used to calculate the official hard cap each season. What should the penalties be for exceeding the hard cap? Teams are not allowed to sign free agents for any more than the league minimum.
Bird Rights players cannot be re-signed (if their cap-holds exceed the hard cap, see below).
The team loses their MLE. Should there be cap holds when re-signing Bird Rights players? Cap holds will be the same amount as a player's previous year's salary except for expiring rookie-contracts which will be 150%.
Previously it was the case that no money was added to the team's salaries until after the off season, meaning that teams could re-sign Bird Rights players and continue signing as many free agents as they wanted whilst under the cap.
In the NBA, if you re-sign a player with Bird Rights, a cap hold is applied to your team's salaries before you can go on signing other free agents. The cap hold varies between 150% and 190% of the player's previous year's salary (depending upon the type of contract you had before).
I think it would be too complicated to differentiate between all the different cap holds, so I'm going to set the cap hold for all re-signing Bird Rights players at same amount of their previous season's contract and 150% for re-signing Bird Rights players coming off rookie contracts. When Bird Rights players are re-signed during our Off Season Free Agency period the cap-hold amount will be displayed on the Rosters database so that everyone has a good idea of exactly what their team's cap situation looks like. When will cap holds be introduced? This upcoming off season. The last thing to think about is Amnesties, but that's a later topic.
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Post by Larry Bird on Apr 19, 2015 16:37:28 GMT
So we're going to have another batch of amnesties?
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Apr 19, 2015 16:59:44 GMT
2014/15 - $189,195,000 (230% of salary cap) 2015/16 - $138,743,000 (220% of salary cap) 2016/17 - $132,436,500 (210% of salary cap) 2017/18 - $126,130,000 (200% of salary cap)
i think the 190million cap should start next year for fairness sake to us.
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Post by Alex English on Apr 19, 2015 17:06:52 GMT
I don't consider Pekovic to be a bench player for me. I prefer him to Ryan Anderson and would be running Pek at the 5 and Lopez at the 4, but Pekovic is injured. Just to make that clear... I hope he exercises his player option. As for the rule changes, everything there is fine with me. Except 230% of the cap is $145,049,500 not $189,195,000.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 18:10:25 GMT
I think we should do away with Bird Rights all together or give them to the resigning team regardless of the number of years that player played for that team.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Apr 20, 2015 0:18:59 GMT
Im all in with Ian.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 20, 2015 5:37:21 GMT
I actually really like the thought that went into this and think it's a good idea.
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