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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 21, 2015 1:18:51 GMT
Charles Barkley Alex Englishit is much better if we continue the discussion here. This thread was the result of the discussions that happened on Nets-Nuggets Thread. Check it out then come back here
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 21, 2015 1:21:47 GMT
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 21, 2015 1:32:18 GMT
After a long while, I believe a hard cap is still the fairest thing to do.
Maybe 200%
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 21, 2015 2:16:42 GMT
After a long while, I believe a hard cap is still the fairest thing to do. Maybe 200% When you say hard cap, what do you mean? That teams just can't go over that number under any and all circumstances? Because that would mean the loss of draft picks and MLE.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 21, 2015 2:25:38 GMT
After a long while, I believe a hard cap is still the fairest thing to do. Maybe 200% When you say hard cap, what do you mean? That teams just can't go over that number under any and all circumstances? Because that would mean the loss of draft picks and MLE. possible.. how about this.. Losing a pick should not be the first penalty, I think it is much better if.. 1. Decrease the hard cap for that team by the same percentage of the amount he went over with next season. Ex. let us say the hard cap is at 200%. A team went on to go over that cap. Maybe 15% over. So next season, His hard cap will be 185%. 2. And if he decides to stay above the HC, then we take his MLE next season. (The #1 still applies) 3. Then if he still decides to stay above the HC, then we take a 1st round pick. (#1 and #2 still applies)
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Post by Ghazny Dimalen on Jan 21, 2015 13:38:48 GMT
I think its to soft for that penalty. We should balance the roster at all means.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 21, 2015 13:40:54 GMT
This is communism!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 14:15:01 GMT
I'd be okay with something like that, but youd have to employ by like 2017 at the earliest.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 21, 2015 15:41:16 GMT
It would actually be socialism, but that's an economics lesson no one wants.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 21, 2015 15:50:45 GMT
I agree, there needs to be a some kind of penalty put into place. Something like losing bird rights of a player if a team is over the cap after they become a free agent would be okay with me. This would pretty much solve the hoarding problem you are talking about from two perspectives:
1. The person will make sure to stay under the hard cap to keep players they really want 2. If the GM doesn't stay under the hard cap, this will cause the bird rights to be lost and resigning that player will be impossible; thus, this will lower the teams salary and penalize them at the same time
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 21, 2015 15:55:15 GMT
It would actually be socialism, but that's an economics lesson no one wants. That's exactly what a damn commie would say
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 21, 2015 15:57:29 GMT
its just a matter of majority.. do the majority of us wants to have this Hard Cap or not.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 21, 2015 16:17:59 GMT
its just a matter of majority.. do the majority of us wants to have this Hard Cap or not. Its not a matter of majority, it is a matter of if The Secret Council of Elders believe this is a good idea or not.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 21, 2015 16:19:02 GMT
I agree, there needs to be a some kind of penalty put into place. Something like losing bird rights of a player if a team is over the cap after they become a free agent would be okay with me. This would pretty much solve the hoarding problem you are talking about from two perspectives: 1. The person will make sure to stay under the hard cap to keep players they really want 2. If the GM doesn't stay under the hard cap, this will cause the bird rights to be lost and resigning that player will be impossible; thus, this will lower the teams salary and penalize them at the same time That's really harsh though, like Russian winter harsh.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 21, 2015 16:21:43 GMT
How so? It can easily be accounted for. Say the hard cap is 150 and I have Durant and currently sit at a cap of 170. For this example, Durant's expiring salary is 21mil. Durant's salary comes off the books which puts me at a cap of 149, thus, I retain his bird rights.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 21, 2015 16:27:09 GMT
its just a matter of majority.. do the majority of us wants to have this Hard Cap or not. Its not a matter of majority, it is a matter of if The Secret Council of Elders believe this is a good idea or not. The Secret Council of Elders??? Old people ha.. I think I know already who belongs there.. hahaha
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 21, 2015 16:31:31 GMT
Its not a matter of majority, it is a matter of if The Secret Council of Elders believe this is a good idea or not. The Secret Council of Elders??? Old people ha.. I think I know already who belongs there.. hahaha No no no, The Secret Council of Elders is more like the Illuminati. They are the few people who control all the power and secretly run the league and make the important decisions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 16:33:02 GMT
I think I should be on this council
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 21, 2015 16:34:18 GMT
How so? It can easily be accounted for. Say the hard cap is 150 and I have Durant and currently sit at a cap of 170. For this example, Durant's expiring salary is 21mil. Durant's salary comes off the books which puts me at a cap of 149, thus, I retain his bird rights. You didn't clarify that the salary would come off the books. Misunderstanding. But also, what if we add in cap holds, which we soon will do. Does the cap hold count toward the salary? Why not just have it be a hard cap of 250%, which would be roughly 150 million right now, and if you're over you lose your MLE, and if you're over for a second consecutive year, you lose a 1st rounder. There should be compounded penalties for being over in consecutive years.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 21, 2015 16:38:05 GMT
So how do you sign any minimum contracts with no mle? I guess I don't understand how it exactly works.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 16:40:37 GMT
you can always sign a player for the minimum no matter your salary situation
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 21, 2015 17:04:31 GMT
So how do you sign any minimum contracts with no mle? I guess I don't understand how it exactly works. MLE is a 5 million dollar alottment given to teams over the cap in the off-season, anyone can sign a player to a min contract in season regardless of cap numbers. I guess the way taking away an MLE alottment would work is they don't get the 5 mill, but can only sign guys to a min contract.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 21, 2015 17:08:00 GMT
I would be for that. Makes sense to me.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 21, 2015 17:08:15 GMT
Easy to implement and fair in my opinion
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 21, 2015 17:22:14 GMT
Easy to implement and fair in my opinion Also limits the way for them to add more salary. This all came about with Alex English 's blatant disregard for the salary cap in the acquisition with Josh Smith, but there are other offenders, looking at you Mr. Bolton
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Post by Chris Mullin on Jan 21, 2015 17:44:08 GMT
IMO Alex has done nothing wrong on his end. 0 risk trade for Alex, great move.
Maybe the Trade Committee shouldn't allow an 85 rated player to be traded for nothing? Maybe bringing in Josh Smith upsets Paul George and he wants to take his talents elsewhere this off-season?
Could be a potentially risky move for Alex just like bringing in Pekovic who has a Player Option after the season. Does Pek want to be a backup on a team with Broook Lopez and Alex Len on the roster already?
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Post by Chris Mullin on Jan 21, 2015 17:50:40 GMT
I wouldn't be opposed to some sort of Hard Cap though, especially if helps maintain some competitive balance across the league.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 21, 2015 18:05:31 GMT
IMO Alex has done nothing wrong on his end. 0 risk trade for Alex, great move. Maybe the Trade Committee shouldn't allow an 85 rated player to be traded for nothing? Maybe bringing in Josh Smith upsets Paul George and he wants to take his talents elsewhere this off-season? Could be a potentially risky move for Alex just like bringing in Pekovic who has a Player Option after the season. Does Pek want to be a backup on a team with Broook Lopez and Alex Len on the roster already? I don't think he's done anything wrong either. Might as well take advantage of not having a hard cap while you can. And I'd imagine teams over the hard cap would be grandfathered in and have ample time to go under the hard cap. It's just his disregard for the cap that brought all of this to the attention of the community, well, mainly me bringing it up. I'm not even sure if my team would benefit from a hard cap, with Love and Rose on the roster, I'd probably end up becoming a victim if it is a set in stone number rather than a percentage going off of the salary cap.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 21, 2015 18:06:29 GMT
I wouldn't be opposed to some sort of Hard Cap though, especially if helps maintain some competitive balance across the league. It also maintains some sort of realism in regards to the luxury tax in real life.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 21, 2015 18:20:07 GMT
We should just give out compensatory 3rd round draft picks to teams that fall under the hard cap in order of how far under it you are. make the hard cap like 150% We barely make it thru the second round draft picks and we can't draft players that weren't drafted in real life.
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