2014/15 Injury List

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I see Holiday is still playing. Very disappointed. Very!!!

There's no reason to allow this. There are more reasons he should not be playing...

I should not care, but I do. That's the sad part. And it makes me really think about hanging it up. Permanently.

I'm not even going to be in the race to the playoffs. The East GMs need to stand up for themselves. You guys need to speak up.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

sooo are Rondo and Parsons out for the season?

Milwaukee losing two starters for the year with Jrue and Parsons out. East just got even weaker

[Kevin Hollis]

I read that George's injury was a calf strain. Thabo strained his calf and missed 6-8 weeks, just saying.

[Glenn Robinson]

I really thought JR was about fairness and making sure injuries across the board are recognized throughout the league.

But the more he continues on his tirade about Holiday and no other injured player, the more I realize he's just bitter towards one particular GM and only cares about his witch hunt.

I've gotten to the point where I've tried moving Holiday just so I don't have to hear the constant complaining about his injury status.

If you want the injury system to work and you want it to be fair, then stop targeting the same 4-5 players every time you make an argument in this thread. It gets old. We might as well just do away with injuries if it continues to be so one-sided.

I understand you're frustrated, JR. But you can't expect people to take your arguments seriously when you are not sifting through the entire league for injuries and only focusing on a few particular players.

I've tried to explain my position on this matter several times only to be mocked by you. I told you I was playing the hand I was dealt, just like any other GM would who is trying to win, yet you just attack me for that and belittle it. I don't know what more you want me to do. I go by what Ian says and that's it. I'm not going to sit out a player who Ian doesn't put on the injury list, just so you can feel better about yourself. If you were in my position to have a chance to make a playoff run, you would be doing the same thing. Get off your moral high horse and play to win the game.

[Sam Bowie]

You have every right to take advantage of the situation but I think it was unneeded for you to say you didn´t know Holiday was injured. I think he should have missed more games in the sim but I wouldn't have started a post pointing it out if it wasn't for that other post. I imagine that explains part of JR's frustration as well.
I believe it is unfair for him to call you a cheater though and I think that should stop. Like you said, if Holiday is not in the injury list, you play him.

Just wanted to point out those 2 things and move on.

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I put Pierre Jackson on IR myself

[Glenn Robinson]

Apr 25, 2015 0:55:26 GMT Sam Bowie said:

You have every right to take advantage of the situation but I think it was unneeded for you to say you didn´t know Holiday was injured. I think he should have missed more games in the sim but I wouldn't have started a post pointing it out if it wasn't for that other post. I imagine that explains part of JR's frustration as well.
I believe it is unfair for him to call you a cheater though and I think that should stop. Like you said, if Holiday is not in the injury list, you play him.

Just wanted to point out those 2 things and move on.

So basically you're saying I'm lying. Believe it or not, but I didn't realize Holiday's injury status was so severe until JR actually said something and I looked at how many games he did miss. I don't follow my players on a regular basis like you might. You can believe what you want on the issue.

[Brian Scalabrine]

DOWN WITH GLENN!!! DOWN WITH GLENN!!!

[Ian Noble]

I'm the guy who decides whether or not a player is put on the Injury List, how can anybody be shouted at except me in this thread?

The criteria we have isn't perfect, but there's a system there nonetheless that's served us well this season. That's end of story as far as I'm concerned, if it's a problem, try to suggest a better system that's feasible and practical or stop jumping all over Big Dog.

[Brian Scalabrine]

If Glenn's severed head isn't the new banner by Monday I'm out

[Andrei Kirilenko]

so can we address how we are treating guys like Rondo, Parsons, etc who are listed as out indefinitely

[Ian Noble]

Just read up on Parsons's injury and maybe he should be on the list.

"The injury will force Parsons to miss the rest of the playoffs."
www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/1332461/chandler-parsons

That should do it really.

[Ian Noble]

Rondo is a "back injury", but I think we can be honest about what's going on there and not sit him, lol.

[Charles Barkley]

Apr 26, 2015 10:33:06 GMT Ian Noble said:

Just read up on Parsons's injury and maybe he should be on the list.

"The injury will force Parsons to miss the rest of the playoffs."
www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/1332461/chandler-parsons

That should do it really.

Just read the thing ticker thing on ESPN and it says that Parsons is having his knee scoped and could have micro-fracture surgery, which would put him out 6-8 months and cause him to possibly miss the beginning of next season.

IMO, if Parsons has the micro-fracture surgery, he should be put on the IR, but I also understand that it is more of an off-season injury decision, rather than a mid-season decision. For example, if Parsons were to have experienced this in January, would the Mavs opt for micro-fracture surgery? Or maybe have him try to rehab and get back on the court rather than having his season be done and over with. So, I can see the argument for both ways with Parsons.

Rondo just kind of seems like a made up injury as an excuse for Rondo to save face, as well as the Mavs, and not have to say that they are benching the guy they thought would put them over the hump, because it hasn't worked out. So, I think Rondo should be alright to stay off the list.

Just my 2 cents

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OH we are still doing injuries.

Well Jrue holiday is having surgery, turns out he shouldn't of come back ni the first place, was only able to manage playing like 16 mpg on his fucked up foot, and now he needs a screw out.

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www.thescore.com/nba/news/754267

[Kevin Hollis]

Though I don't agree with you much, I do agree with you on Holiday. I honestly feel he should miss the rest of the d5 season. This injury plus all the games he didn't miss in the d5 league pretty much spells it out. Maybe a league vote should be taken on some player injuries. I would be all for that.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

rip klove

[Larry Bird]

Agree with Kevin Hollis. Jrue didnt miss many games throughout his D5 season, even though he missed a lot in the NBA.
We should take this thing to vote.

[Jeremiah Hill]

I don't think that injuries that happen in he RL playoffs should carry over to D5.

[Jeremiah Hill]

You injure Kevin Love in D5 for something that happened in the playoffs Houston Loses him for twice as many games as he'd actually miss if it happened in the regular season.

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Apr 28, 2015 22:12:03 GMT Jeremiah Hill said:

I don't think that injuries that happen in he RL playoffs should carry over to D5.

I assumed this was the way it was, but at least in the Jrue case it makes things more fair.

I think the 6 week thing should still apply. 

Is Kevin Love going to be not able to play basketball for the next 6 weeks? If so, bench his ass. If he would come back in 3-4 let him play. Seems simple enough to me.

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Apr 28, 2015 22:17:14 GMT @riogho said:

Apr 28, 2015 22:12:03 GMT Jeremiah Hill said:

I don't think that injuries that happen in he RL playoffs should carry over to D5.

I assumed this was the way it was, but at least in the Jrue case it makes things more fair.

I think the 6 week thing should still apply. 

Is Kevin Love going to be not able to play basketball for the next 6 weeks? If so, bench his ass. If he would come back in 3-4 let him play. Seems simple enough to me.

Playoffs or not....if a player gets injured, hes injured. Holiday should not have been taken off the IR to begin with. They say KLove may not play again this season even if they make the finals. I'm not sure how long that may be.

As you guys can see we do have a few GMs finally speaking up to what's fair. Of course there may be other players that need put on IR, but let's put a vote on Holiday...

[Larry Bird]

Parsons and Love

[Kevin Hollis]

The delay in time in relation to the NBA schedule makes things hard. If we don't make players sit out the max they do in the normal season due to day-to-day/out listings, then there needs to be a carryover somewhere. If you limit injuries on both the front end and back end (playoff injuries), then it seems injuries are almost pointless. I think certain injuries should be voted on. I think that is the fairest way.

[Charles Barkley]

Love has only officially been ruled out for the ECSF. He isn't having surgery like Jrue or Parsons. There's a big difference between those situations and Love's. Love could easily miss this series and come back for parts of the ECF or the Finals.

Having only been officially ruled out for the ECSF, and our policy is 6 weeks, I don't think he should be on the IR. I mean, we're talking about micro-fracture surgery for Parsons, something that has derailed careers (Amare) and just a shoulder dislocation for Love.

There's a big difference between the two situations and I hope everyone is smart enough to see that. And I don't know if I am fully behind the playoff injuries having an effect on our season, especially our regular season. Like I said before, the likely reason Parsons is having surgery is because the Mavs season is over. What if this injury occurred for Parsons in January? Would he have micro-fracture surgery and end his season? I think that the circumstances around Parsons injury and likely surgery are only occurring because the Mavs are out of the playoffs and their season is done.

Teams treat injuries differently at different times during the season. What if Kyle Lowry has some nagging injury that's been bothering him and now that the Raptors season is over, he elects to have surgery? Will we hold him out in here because of that?

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Apr 29, 2015 2:04:12 GMT Charles Barkley said:

Love has only officially been ruled out for the ECSF. He isn't having surgery like Jrue or Parsons. There's a big difference between those situations and Love's. Love could easily miss this series and come back for parts of the ECF or the Finals.

Having only been officially ruled out for the ECSF, and our policy is 6 weeks, I don't think he should be on the IR. I mean, we're talking about micro-fracture surgery for Parsons, something that has derailed careers (Amare) and just a shoulder dislocation for Love.

There's a big difference between the two situations and I hope everyone is smart enough to see that. And I don't know if I am fully behind the playoff injuries having an effect on our season, especially our regular season. Like I said before, the likely reason Parsons is having surgery is because the Mavs season is over. What if this injury occurred for Parsons in January? Would he have micro-fracture surgery and end his season? I think that the circumstances around Parsons injury and likely surgery are only occurring because the Mavs are out of the playoffs and their season is done.

Teams treat injuries differently at different times during the season. What if Kyle Lowry has some nagging injury that's been bothering him and now that the Raptors season is over, he elects to have surgery? Will we hold him out in here because of that?

Love shouldn't be out until more information comes out, that seems clear to me. 

[Charles Barkley]

Apr 29, 2015 2:06:24 GMT @riogho said:

Apr 29, 2015 2:04:12 GMT Charles Barkley said:

There's a big difference between the two situations and I hope everyone is smart enough to see that. And I don't know if I am fully behind the playoff injuries having an effect on our season, especially our regular season. Like I said before, the likely reason Parsons is having surgery is because the Mavs season is over. What if this injury occurred for Parsons in January? Would he have micro-fracture surgery and end his season? I think that the circumstances around Parsons injury and likely surgery are only occurring because the Mavs are out of the playoffs and their season is done.

Teams treat injuries differently at different times during the season. What if Kyle Lowry has some nagging injury that's been bothering him and now that the Raptors season is over, he elects to have surgery? Will we hold him out in here because of that?

Love shouldn't be out until more information comes out, that seems clear to me. 

But I think the bigger issue here is how we treat playoff and end of season injuries. There's going to be a lot of players who "elect" to have surgery on a nagging issue, something like back spasms, or a player could have surgery to completely repair torn ligaments from an old ankle sprain. These players wouldn't have this surgery if it were in season. 

I think the Parsons case is important. And I don't feel like he should be on the IR, I'm kind of flip flopping on that stance, but I think that if it were mid season, he wouldn't have the surgery. I feel that he is "electing" to have this surgery, rather than being forced into it. It isn't like he has an ACL tear and needs the surgery. There's going to be lots of players that are on our teams that will have elected surgeries and I don't think we can count them on the IR. And then how do we tell what is an "elected" surgery, and what is not. So, I don't know. I am in the position now, after thinking about it for a day or so, that no playoff injury should be counted.

I think everyone's obsession with Holiday is warranted, but I think people are taking it to an extreme and purposefully blaming Glenn. I think an easy solution for Holiday is to hold him out the rest of the regular season in here, like he basically was in real life, and then let him play in the playoffs, as was the case in real life. I know the RL Holiday in the playoffs had a minutes limit, but I think that is about as fair as it gets without penalizing a GM for something that isn't his fault. The fault lies with our NBA counterparts and their terrible injury reporting process.

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Apr 29, 2015 2:15:09 GMT Charles Barkley said:

Apr 29, 2015 2:06:24 GMT @riogho said:

Love shouldn't be out until more information comes out, that seems clear to me. 

But I think the bigger issue here is how we treat playoff and end of season injuries. There's going to be a lot of players who "elect" to have surgery on a nagging issue, something like back spasms, or a player could have surgery to completely repair torn ligaments from an old ankle sprain. These players wouldn't have this surgery if it were in season. 

I think the Parsons case is important. And I don't feel like he should be on the IR, I'm kind of flip flopping on that stance, but I think that if it were mid season, he wouldn't have the surgery. I feel that he is "electing" to have this surgery, rather than being forced into it. It isn't like he has an ACL tear and needs the surgery. There's going to be lots of players that are on our teams that will have elected surgeries and I don't think we can count them on the IR. And then how do we tell what is an "elected" surgery, and what is not. So, I don't know. I am in the position now, after thinking about it for a day or so, that no playoff injury should be counted.

I think everyone's obsession with Holiday is warranted, but I think people are taking it to an extreme and purposefully blaming Glenn. I think an easy solution for Holiday is to hold him out the rest of the regular season in here, like he basically was in real life, and then let him play in the playoffs, as was the case in real life. I know the RL Holiday in the playoffs had a minutes limit, but I think that is about as fair as it gets without penalizing a GM for something that isn't his fault. The fault lies with our NBA counterparts and their terrible injury reporting process.

Being one of the worst teams in the west for the next year or two, I don't have much dog in this fight either way. But imagining if people "could" play seems a little weird. What if Jabari Parker "could've" come back for the Bucks playoffs but they decided not to because they knew they had no shot? I think, while it will cause some hurt feelings, having a subjective injury list based on how people "feel" about injuries will cause more of this huge drama thread we have here. We need to base it 100% on games missed, and not give a fuck about why. It will hurt some people, and help others, but the blame won't be on Ian or on any of us, but rather on the real NBA counterparts, as you've said.  It brings too much subjectivity and too much bullshit. As you see for the last 5 pages. I've seen this thread since I've joined go from an injury reporting thread to a full on shitstorm because of the subjectivity of our current injury system. Wanting it to become more subjective with things like voting will only make it worse and make the league less fun and fair. 

Parsons should be out, Holiday should be out, we should wait on information with Love. If he is out for season then he is out for season. That's just the most objective way to put it.

I think aiming for objectivity is the best bet, rather than what people feel is "fair". Objectivity is the highest form of fair. So the same rules apply to everyone no matter what.

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Apr 29, 2015 2:23:30 GMT @riogho said:

Apr 29, 2015 2:15:09 GMT Charles Barkley said:

But I think the bigger issue here is how we treat playoff and end of season injuries. There's going to be a lot of players who "elect" to have surgery on a nagging issue, something like back spasms, or a player could have surgery to completely repair torn ligaments from an old ankle sprain. These players wouldn't have this surgery if it were in season. 

I think the Parsons case is important. And I don't feel like he should be on the IR, I'm kind of flip flopping on that stance, but I think that if it were mid season, he wouldn't have the surgery. I feel that he is "electing" to have this surgery, rather than being forced into it. It isn't like he has an ACL tear and needs the surgery. There's going to be lots of players that are on our teams that will have elected surgeries and I don't think we can count them on the IR. And then how do we tell what is an "elected" surgery, and what is not. So, I don't know. I am in the position now, after thinking about it for a day or so, that no playoff injury should be counted.

I think everyone's obsession with Holiday is warranted, but I think people are taking it to an extreme and purposefully blaming Glenn. I think an easy solution for Holiday is to hold him out the rest of the regular season in here, like he basically was in real life, and then let him play in the playoffs, as was the case in real life. I know the RL Holiday in the playoffs had a minutes limit, but I think that is about as fair as it gets without penalizing a GM for something that isn't his fault. The fault lies with our NBA counterparts and their terrible injury reporting process.

Being one of the worst teams in the west for the next year or two, I don't have much dog in this fight either way. But imagining if people "could" play seems a little weird. What if Jabari Parker "could've" come back for the Bucks playoffs but they decided not to because they knew they had no shot? I think, while it will cause some hurt feelings, having a subjective injury list based on how people "feel" about injuries will cause more of this huge drama thread we have here. We need to base it 100% on games missed, and not give a fuck about why. It will hurt some people, and help others, but the blame won't be on Ian or on any of us, but rather on the real NBA counterparts, as you've said.  It brings too much subjectivity and too much bullshit. As you see for the last 5 pages. I've seen this thread since I've joined go from an injury reporting thread to a full on shitstorm because of the subjectivity of our current injury system. Wanting it to become more subjective with things like voting will only make it worse and make the league less fun and fair. 

Parsons should be out, Holiday should be out, we should wait on information with Love. If he is out for season then he is out for season. That's just the most objective way to put it.

I think aiming for objectivity is the best bet, rather than what people feel is "fair". Objectivity is the highest form of fair. So the same rules apply to everyone no matter what.

Agreed.