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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 16:44:29 GMT
My main issues entering the D5 playoffs.
PG returned to get a few games in and what hopefully get into the playoffs. If they were out of contention would he have 100% come back? I don't think so. Why should we allow a player to return to a team when he really should be out until next season. It's another one of the unorganized injury rules and system we are going with this year. So Indy gets kicked out of playoffs and PG is done again after 5 games..but he gets to play the rest of the season ..including the playoffs in D5...that's really going to fuck up the entire D5 season.
Holiday same scenario and reason to bring him back. Lets see if he gets into the playoffs and plays...and he didn't even do half of his games he missed on the IR. He went on late as well. He should not return this season unless he serves his injured games.
Jamal Crawford just returned as well to get ready for the playoffs. He has missed 15-20 games and was never put on IR. We should put him on until the playoffs start. I think so.
I really can't wait until next season and we clarify the entire rule system for injuries. It's been good for the league but now that the real NBA season is ending and teams are going all in...we are allowing our entire season to be decided or changed due to teams going all in.
My opinion:
Holiday out until all but 20% of games missed IRL are played on IR in D5.
PG- out for remaining season
Crawford should miss the same amt of games by % as Holiday.
We can not allow what teams have worked so hard for all season to be decided by an unorganized injury system!!
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Post by Chris Mullin on Apr 11, 2015 17:03:38 GMT
Since you're all about things being fair, why are you only talking about 3-4 players? Blake Griffin missed quite a few games & never missed any time in D5. Ryan Anderson has missed more games than Jamal Crawford, havent seen you mention his name.
The injury system is flawed no doubt, but doing what you suggest would require going and looking at EVERY single player that your suggestion would apply to. If you dont do that then your suggested solution is just as flawed IMO.
We need to come up with a system that doesnt require Ian to have to make numerous roster adjustments every single time before he sims. Not sure what our best bet is in that regards though
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Post by Alex English on Apr 11, 2015 17:22:53 GMT
So why should Paul George be out for the season? Because it's your opinion that he'd have stayed out if the Pacers weren't in playoff contention? Are you really advocating that we make decisions based on hypothetical scenarios? That definitely won't end badly...
I agree with the timing problem that's been brought up though. Since the seasons aren't synced it doesn't make much sense to base everything off of real life. Honestly though I think this injury system just sucks. There are many problems with it like this one. But then again, I think every injury system will suck except for in-game injuries. That's the only way to effectively simulate injuries in this league. I guess this injury system is better than no system, but still, it sucks.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 11, 2015 22:04:37 GMT
Honestly I'd rather just go back to no injuries...
If we DO want to keep injuries, I kind of agree with most of what's been said here really. Timing is messing things up. If PG24 only came back for the last 5 (?) games IRL, he should be kept out until the last 5(?) games of our league.
If a player gets hurt on January 26th IRL, comes back April 2nd IRL, he should be out those dates in our league or as close to them as makes sense.
In-game injuries are another option but we've been "fixing" our ratings to make everyone have the same injury rating, that way some players weren't boosted up by having low injuries, or being brought down by having high injuries, so we'd eventually have to "fix" that again. Plus then Ian has to post THAT too and get everyone to update their DC's off that again.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Apr 11, 2015 22:05:18 GMT
Our injury system sucks because the NBA doesn't have a requirement for teams to designate players being injured like the NFL because there is not enough bets placed on NBA games like there are NFL games. I mean, there's more bets on NBA games because there is more games, but not enough when you think about the length of seasons and how much 1 game means in the NFL; it is also because of game planning as well. There is no perfect system, like Alex English said. I don't think simply counting games makes much sense because you have people missing one game here and there. I could see the counting games argument come in when a player is designated as Day to Day or Questionable, like how Crawford or Jrue has been, there was no timetable on their returns. In that case, counting games would make sense, and then if it is more than say 4 weeks missed, just throwing out a number, we hold them out for that many games. Maybe amending the injury policy to counting games when the team does not designate a timetable and the player has missed 4+ weeks, to go along with the 4-6 weeks, out for season, indefinite, and whatever else we have. I disagree big time with in game injuries, we saw how it worked with F5, and because of the way Walt and I have been working in the RC, in game injuries would be a huge problem. |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 11, 2015 22:29:48 GMT
I also think simulating injuries is a ridiculous bad idea
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 23:40:34 GMT
Our injury system sucks because the NBA doesn't have a requirement for teams to designate players being injured like the NFL because there is not enough bets placed on NBA games like there are NFL games. I mean, there's more bets on NBA games because there is more games, but not enough when you think about the length of seasons and how much 1 game means in the NFL; it is also because of game planning as well. There is no perfect system, like Alex English said. I don't think simply counting games makes much sense because you have people missing one game here and there. I could see the counting games argument come in when a player is designated as Day to Day or Questionable, like how Crawford or Jrue has been, there was no timetable on their returns. In that case, counting games would make sense, and then if it is more than say 4 weeks missed, just throwing out a number, we hold them out for that many games. Maybe amending the injury policy to counting games when the team does not designate a timetable and the player has missed 4+ weeks, to go along with the 4-6 weeks, out for season, indefinite, and whatever else we have. I disagree big time with in game injuries, we saw how it worked with F5, and because of the way Walt and I have been working in the RC, in game injuries would be a huge problem. Counting games makes sense if you just start at a limit say 20 games missed. Of course it doesn't make sense for here or there. If they miss 15 games or so in a row take them out for 15 games. The only argument against this is that it would put work on Ian, but the current system puts the same amount of work on him but is more confusing. 15 game minimum wouldn't even have him making changes everyday, how many players in the nba have missed 15 games in a row? This also eliminates the issue of DTD injuries. Can anyone tell me why this idea isn't the best one AND easiest one? If I was Ian, this seems to me to be the simplest, easiest, and most consistent way to have injuries in a forum simulation league. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Apr 12, 2015 1:20:15 GMT
Our injury system sucks because the NBA doesn't have a requirement for teams to designate players being injured like the NFL because there is not enough bets placed on NBA games like there are NFL games. I mean, there's more bets on NBA games because there is more games, but not enough when you think about the length of seasons and how much 1 game means in the NFL; it is also because of game planning as well. There is no perfect system, like Alex English said. I don't think simply counting games makes much sense because you have people missing one game here and there. I could see the counting games argument come in when a player is designated as Day to Day or Questionable, like how Crawford or Jrue has been, there was no timetable on their returns. In that case, counting games would make sense, and then if it is more than say 4 weeks missed, just throwing out a number, we hold them out for that many games. Maybe amending the injury policy to counting games when the team does not designate a timetable and the player has missed 4+ weeks, to go along with the 4-6 weeks, out for season, indefinite, and whatever else we have. I disagree big time with in game injuries, we saw how it worked with F5, and because of the way Walt and I have been working in the RC, in game injuries would be a huge problem. Counting games makes sense if you just start at a limit say 20 games missed. Of course it doesn't make sense for here or there. If they miss 15 games or so in a row take them out for 15 games. The only argument against this is that it would put work on Ian, but the current system puts the same amount of work on him but is more confusing. 15 game minimum wouldn't even have him making changes everyday, how many players in the nba have missed 15 games in a row? This also eliminates the issue of DTD injuries. Can anyone tell me why this idea isn't the best one AND easiest one? If I was Ian, this seems to me to be the simplest, easiest, and most consistent way to have injuries in a forum simulation league. Is that not exactly what I laid out in post above? All we would need to do is designate someone to count the games, if that. We are pretty current on these matters. I think we can do it next year, def don't do it right now. We, as a community, can always make suggestions on how we think the league can be better. Then The Secret Council of Elders discuss it and think about the work that would need to be done. WE should be putting input into how the league can be better, not bitching about someones rating all the time or complaining about a trade. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2015 1:28:20 GMT
Ian, if you decide you want to implement a game-based system for next year moving forward, I would gladly keep track of everyone's missed game totals (I follow all the news anyway)
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Post by Sam Bowie on Apr 12, 2015 2:15:58 GMT
We had the same discussion in pages 8-9 and Ian already told what he thought about the way the Injury System should be handled.
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 12, 2015 20:21:03 GMT
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Post by Sam Bowie on Apr 12, 2015 23:17:59 GMT
Why? Got injured too late. Returned too early. Not fair.  |
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Apr 13, 2015 1:53:17 GMT
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Post by Sam Bowie on Apr 13, 2015 2:20:15 GMT
So, you are whining about people whining over an unfair big advantage that you got for several months? Not cool.
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Post by Allen Iverson on Apr 13, 2015 2:36:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 2:42:27 GMT
Demarcus Cousins and rudy gay misses 3 games IRL, and will miss the entire 2nd half of the season & playoffs in d5 ?! *facepalm* |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Apr 13, 2015 2:45:55 GMT
I don't really agree with the Cousins and Gay part. They shut them down for three games because there was no point to play, not because of injuries. This is a complete different situation than Melo's.
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Post by Allen Iverson on Apr 13, 2015 3:05:29 GMT
Both actually had injuries even before the team decided to shut them down for the rest of the season. But whatever, it's Ian's decision. Just wanna point out that players could return earlier from their injury here in D5 than the time they returned in real life. So why not the opposite of it right? I know it's unfair, but that's how it is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 4:11:29 GMT
Really? I had of been the one to mention that Nick young should not be out. If he's out EVERYONE ELSE BETTER BE AS WELL!!! AND I am thinking my options right now about staying as GM. I have alot going on and I think its close to time. For one I think I leave my team at a good starting point for its future. You guys have always said I will leave and leave my team shitty. I just don't agree. I just don't. Crybaby Glenn Robinson - its fucking bullshit!!! Holiday should not have returned. That's just fucked up and stupid!! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 4:12:36 GMT
Just sayin...
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Apr 13, 2015 12:45:38 GMT
Crybaby Glenn Robinson - its fucking bullshit!!! Holiday should not have returned. That's just fucked up and stupid!! lol what? How am I the crybaby in all of this? This entire thread has basically been a dedication to your overreactions and crying about the same 4 players yet missing other players that have been out. Keep up with your witch hunt JR, and don't let the door hit you on the way out. |
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Apr 13, 2015 12:47:31 GMT
So, you are whining about people whining over an unfair big advantage that you got for several months? Not cool. How have I been whining about this exactly? I said whatever Ian does is fine from the start. Damn. And you wanted to be my assistant GM? Dodged a bullet there... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 14:44:32 GMT
Crybaby Glenn Robinson - its fucking bullshit!!! Holiday should not have returned. That's just fucked up and stupid!! lol what? How am I the crybaby in all of this? This entire thread has basically been a dedication to your overreactions and crying about the same 4 players yet missing other players that have been out. Keep up with your witch hunt JR, and don't let the door hit you on the way out. I have only brought up players that are or have been injured. I'm not crying. More like pissed..more like not understanding why Holiday would come back so soon. What did he miss 5 games in D5 .compared to 30 or so IRL. Yes I have continuously tried to get Crawford on the IR .he missed enough game's to be on IR Shoot even Ian has a player I've mentioned that should be on IR..after missing 25+ games. Maybe I missed a few, but the fact is I'm trying. Trying to make things fair. So this league can be the best it can be. It's ians league but I can't spend so much time on something if there is any sort of unfairness going on. Glenn... Be a man and be fair to the league. If your not a cheater ..prove it... Have Ian make this right. Have holiday miss the games he should be and hope you come back and still in the playoffs. I think your a cheater and a liar and bad for our league though. Stop screwing others over for your benefit. Maybe then you can be respected. But then again I know you don't care either way. |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Apr 13, 2015 14:53:04 GMT
Both had injuries, but they were playing through them. Literally all of the others you mentioned had surgery. Cousins and Gay did not have anything close to this. Cousins had a banged up ankle but was playing the entire time. Why should he be on IR for the rest of our season? Seems rather idiotic if you are pushing for this.
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Post by James Kay on Apr 13, 2015 15:00:07 GMT
I mean I wouldn’t go so far as to call Glenn a cheater, but I think we can all agree that it is unfair that Holiday missed a great deal of time IRL and not so much in D5. I don’t think that there is a fair method of implementing an injury system without adding a tremendous work-load for whoever would be in charge of that. I’d advocate for a system that really only accounts for the most serious injuries ie Rose, George, Randle, Durant/Westbrook in past years, and all other long-term injuries where the prognosis is a recovery time greater than 4 months. I’m sure an acceptable benchmark could be agreed upon. I just think that with the current system we have now, while a noble attempt at realism, there will inevitably be too much unfairness and I value fairness over realism.
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Apr 13, 2015 15:32:39 GMT
Glenn... Be a man and be fair to the league. If your not a cheater ..prove it... Have Ian make this right. Have holiday miss the games he should be and hope you come back and still in the playoffs. I think your a cheater and a liar and bad for our league though. Stop screwing others over for your benefit. Maybe then you can be respected. But then again I know you don't care either way. You do realize I have no control over who goes on IR and who doesn't, right? You do realize you can take it up with Ian who is running the show, right? I'm sure Ian is well aware of the situation and he is doing what he feels is best. So if you have a problem with it, take it up with him. I'm just playing the hand I'm dealt and going with it. I'm a cheater and a liar and bad for the league? Sometimes you say things and I'm not quite sure if you're just trolling. Again, how am I screwing others over for my benefit? I think you just have it out for me because of the Tim Duncan thing and you won't stop until you make my enjoyment in this league terrible. Again, I was asked to put Jrue Holiday on IR when I was told. Had no issues. Then was told Holiday returned and I put him back in the lineup. If you consider that cheating because I'm playing the hand I'm dealt, then whatever. Think what you'd like. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 16:54:22 GMT
I mean I wouldn’t go so far as to call Glenn a cheater, but I think we can all agree that it is unfair that Holiday missed a great deal of time IRL and not so much in D5. I don’t think that there is a fair method of implementing an injury system without adding a tremendous work-load for whoever would be in charg e of that. I’d advocate for a system that really only accounts for the most serious injuries ie Rose, George, Randle, Durant/Westbrook in past years, and all other long-term injuries where the prognosis is a recovery time greater than 4 months. I’m sure an acceptable benchmark could be agreed upon. I just think that with the current system we have now, while a noble attempt at realism, there will inevitably be too much unfairness and I value fairness over realism. In general I agree with what u have said. But if Glenn was not a cheater even a little he would not try to "play his hand" as he calls it. Hope by next season a system of even a 4month system is put into place. I really just want fairness and consistency. If it was not for all the work to be edited into the game by Ian, I would love to see it more real by placing players on IR for anything more than 10 games. Ten games without a player changes a teams record by a lot. Just imagine if Holiday would have missed his entire time on IR. Even when a player is out...after he returns we can and should place that player on IR by the games he did miss. I'm ok with waiting to see..then placing the players time out against them. As long as they do their time. It's hard to place some players on IR by what's said. But players like Crawford who ended up missing 20+ games- when he returns IRL..he needs to be put on IR to miss the time he did miss here at D5. Glenn knows the Holiday issue is unfair to other gms. He can try and say it's Ian's decision and that he's doing nothing wrong. But in his basketball minded soul...He knows it's wrong and should feel bad. Thing is I don't think he feels bad or cares. He sees the league as a game and for fun. Yeah it may be but fairness needs to be placed and fulfilled. Game or not...I take the league serious. To spend 3 years with a team...yeah I do care. I do care about the league. I just don't like seeing a seasons outcome be changed or decided by choices that should not have been made. Maybe Ian if u read this u can clarify why u made this decision.... Other gms made changes and moves because of injuries and made their team good enough to get into the playoffs. I appreciate those gms. But Glenn u know It's wrong. Don't go with the decision. Put the guy on IR yourself then. Bet u won't! |
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Post by Allen Iverson on Apr 13, 2015 16:54:35 GMT
Both had injuries, but they were playing through them. Literally all of the others you mentioned had surgery. Cousins and Gay did not have anything close to this. Cousins had a banged up ankle but was playing the entire time. Why should he be on IR for the rest of our season? Seems rather idiotic if you are pushing for this. Yeah both played through it. And I understand your point. I just pointed out what has happened here with the likes of Paul George and Jrue Holiday and thought why not the opposite of it? No biggie for me. Both are in the West here and IRL so it doesn't affect me or my team. Just posted what CBS listed as Out for season. And again, it's Ian's call here. Peace. |
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Post by Sam Bowie on Apr 16, 2015 4:10:21 GMT
George goes down in the last game of the season and the Pacers are out of the playoffs. What now?  |
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Post by James Kay on Apr 16, 2015 4:24:28 GMT
George goes down in the last game of the season and the Pacers are out of the playoffs. What now? Well he hasn't missed any games so I guess non-injured status. Plus I read it was just a calf cramp |
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