Chicago Bulls - Portland TrailBlazers

[Jerry West]

The Chicago Bulls will trade:

77 Kelly Olynyk $12,500,000 $13,125,000 $13,791,250 $14,470,312 ($15,193,828 (PO))
77 Rajon Rondo $9,036,450 $9,714,184 ($10,442,748 (PO))
77 Evan Turner $9,744,371
2019 Chicago Bulls 2nd Round Pick
2020 Sacramento Kings 2nd Round Pick
2021 Oklahoma City Thunder 2nd Round Pick
Total Salary: $31,280,821

In return the Portland TrailBlazers will trade:

89 Kyle Lowry $32,000,000 $35,000,000 $35,000,000 ($35,000,000(PO))
75 Michael Beasley $1,250,000 $1,250,000
Total Salary: $33,250,000

Shane Battier and Amare Stoudemire were quick on the negotiations and we wish them good luck for their championship ambitions in the coming seasons.

[Amare Stoudemire]

Im going to accept for several reasons!
1st we establish are starting unit for the next couple years! We also lose rondo and olynyk contracts while pickinf up a great player even though hes getting a little older!
Were looking at a line up of
Pg lowry
Sg lillard
Sf leonard
Pf favors
C dmc when he gets healthy!
This is one of the most if not the most formidable starting 5 in the east now and were ready to roll!!!
I accept as assistant gm of the bulls
Shane Battier to concur and make comments
But i want to say the extra picks from sacto allow us to make this move and everyone in the east should be very scared!

[Jerry West]

Gather around and make fun of the man who lashed out at Amare Stoudemire for being reckless and don't thinking trades over, just to make a trade with that man organization not even 24 hours later after being elected GM.

So why am I doing this:
Simple, while I was applying for the Blazers job there was no interest in Kyle Lowry, he is a player who won't be your main star but can be the 3rd guy on a championship team at this point of his career and only made sense for a team who is already capped out and contending. Well, welcome the Bulls after trading for Lillard.
Kyle Lowry is 33 years of age and his contract will run until he is 36. He is a great passer and was 2nd in assists in the league but he would probably never be part of another Portland TrailBlazers contending team. So it made sense moving forward from him and his big contract. Meanwhile, Michael Beasley will continue his mission to play for all 30 of D5 teams, and we are glad to help him on that mission.

In return, we are getting Rajon Rondo, a player who I got familiar with in Indiana, during that time he was 2nd in D5 in assists. He is exactly the type of guy I want in my locker room since he is a winning player (not to mention he won the first title in D5 history) who puts 100% on the court, especially on defence. His contract runs another 2 years and 10 games long, so his contract isn't bad value since for the remaining time of it he'll still be a solid player.
Evan Turner who is an expiring contract, who we will open our house to for the remaining games of the season and try to make him enjoy Portland basketball.
Kelly Olynyk. Now Kelly is on a really long contract, I'm not a big fan of it, and he'll be 32 at the end of it. So at least we are getting his prime years in the league and not an old player. He is the classic stretch big in the league and that's the exact role we have in mind for him.
Last but not least we are getting 2nd round picks, which we have none. Like I said I want to build through the draft and this will allow me the chance to do so. We now own a 2nd round pick in every draft up until 2022, and we still have nearly 4 years to figure something out until then. So there's still a lot of time to change that.

I truly believe it's a good trade for both sides and makes both teams closer to their goals. I was also happy to be able to keep Jared Dudley after his name was thrown into the conversation by the Bulls, he is a veteran leader and we would like to keep around the team to help build a good locker room.

I honestly didn't plan on making a trade so early and already informed teams DeMar would be waiting until the off-season. But I guess you never know when the right deal pops up.

[Amare Stoudemire]

This trade is still to be approved by my partner, and full gm Shane Battier
I just acted on it bc i feel it makes the bulls a real contender if they werent already and didnt want to lose it as i feel this is good value! But Shane Battier has to agree of course$

[Ian Noble]

Oh dear...

[Jeremiah Hill]

May 1, 2019 8:05:09 GMT Ian Noble said:

Oh dear...

See what you did?

[Ian Noble]

I reject.

Kyle Lowry has value, everything else coming back has negative value except the 2nd Rounders, and they are late 2nd Rounders based on current projections.

[Jeremiah Hill]

May 1, 2019 9:36:43 GMT Ian Noble said:

I reject.

Kyle Lowry has value, everything else coming back has negative value except the 2nd Rounders, and they are late 2nd Rounders based on current projections.

Kyle Lowry is negative value @ 35,000,000 a year. This move clears 13 million next season right off the rip.

I think you're judging this trade a bit early.

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

You do not determine the value. The market determines the "value".

[Andrei Kirilenko]

I’d easily have given some 2nds and absorbed his full contract, for what it’s worth. I agree with Ian that Lowry does have value and this seems like a quick-trigger move by the Blazers.

[George Gervin]

I think a 33 about to be 34 yr old PG who has declined for the last four seasons IRL at his current salary is untenable; the fact Jerry got some interesting pieces back that could be flipped elsewhere is a positive. Yes they are late 2nds, but late picks are better than no picks given the Blazers draft capital at the moment

[Mark Price]

That Lowry contract is awful, but so are two of the contracts the Blazers are getting in return.

I just dont get the point of moving Lowry just to get away from his contract at this point. The Blazers don't have their firsts in 20 and 22 so going in the tank isn't entirely beneficial. Furthermore, this free agent class isn't great and even if it was it's hard to see Portland as being an attractive landing spot.

[Ian Noble]

Olynyk's got five years left at that contract size though, it's not particularly a cap relief deal, and Olynyk himself is, without a doubt, all but unmovable afterwards. Also Rondo's got 3 years left. So you don't even cut Lowry's contract in half, and he's a borderline all star player IRL, and all you get back is three 2nd Rounders? And that's considered a solid start to a rebuild, despite the Blazers being all out of other picks?

Honestly I feel like this trade is so bad I had to check GM IP Addresses when I first saw it, because I thought it was collusion and I'd accidentally hired two of the same person.

I still reject

edit: it's also arrived extremely quickly after your hiring Jerry!

[Jerry West]

May 1, 2019 14:59:50 GMT Ian Noble said:

Olynyk's got five years left at that contract size though, it's not particularly a cap relief deal, and Olynyk himself is, without a doubt, all but unmovable afterwards. Also Rondo's got 3 years left. So you don't even cut Lowry's contract in half, and he's a borderline all star player IRL, and all you get back is three 2nd Rounders? And that's considered a solid start to a rebuild, despite the Blazers being all out of other picks?

Honestly I feel like this trade is so bad I had to check GM IP Addresses when I first saw it, because I thought it was collusion and I'd accidentally hired two of the same person.

I still reject

edit: it's also arrived extremely quickly after your hiring Jerry!

Ian is clearly more experience than me. I asked him to reconsider his reject by message and if this is still how he feels so be it. Like I said I'm going to own to my mistakes and this was a bad start for me as a GM although I would have like to have those picks to get my own guys and the the cap space to sign someone I believe in.

That being said it is what it is. And the Portland TrailBlazers will be closed for trades at least until draft night to make sure I won't make the same mistake again then. I will also try to bring someone who is also knowledgeable to make sure I don't make the same mistake again and keep my hand steady before I try to blow everything away in Portland.

[Ian Noble]

May 1, 2019 15:18:31 GMT Jerry West said:

May 1, 2019 14:59:50 GMT Ian Noble said:

Olynyk's got five years left at that contract size though, it's not particularly a cap relief deal, and Olynyk himself is, without a doubt, all but unmovable afterwards. Also Rondo's got 3 years left. So you don't even cut Lowry's contract in half, and he's a borderline all star player IRL, and all you get back is three 2nd Rounders? And that's considered a solid start to a rebuild, despite the Blazers being all out of other picks?

Honestly I feel like this trade is so bad I had to check GM IP Addresses when I first saw it, because I thought it was collusion and I'd accidentally hired two of the same person.

I still reject

edit: it's also arrived extremely quickly after your hiring Jerry!

Ian is clearly more experience than me. I asked him to reconsider his reject by message and if this is still how he feels so be it. Like I said I'm going to own to my mistakes and this was a bad start for me as a GM although I would have like to have those picks to get my own guys and the the cap space to sign someone I believe in.

That being said it is what it is. And the Portland TrailBlazers will be closed for trades at least until draft night to make sure I won't make the same mistake again then. I will bring to someone in who is also knowledgeable to make sure I don't make the same mistake again and keep my hand steady before I try to blow everything away in Portland.

I wouldn't overreact to my opinion on this Jerry - I'm at work and haven't had a chance to read your PM. Also there's the rest of the committee to make a decision and other GMs seem to think you've done ok. Just not me that's all

[Amare Stoudemire]

Honestly I feel like this trade is so bad I had to check GM IP Addresses when I first saw it, because I thought it was collusion and I'd accidentally hired two of the same person.

Thanks ian 😆!!
Its hard to move people on portland it just is esp lowry!
Demar has more value bit is hard but lowry is even tougher and with him lookin like hes taking a dive on that stockwatch is going to be even more hard to move imo

Its all good bc shane Shane Battier hasn't accepted yet!
I wouldnt have even had it posted yet if i wasnt getting so tipsy from the bucks/ celts game last night!

[Jay Z]

For what its worth, 29.5 million saved over the next four years, 44.7 if Olynk opts out the last year (turns 30 right before FA, doubtful but he could look to secure his last contract a year early).

Limited window to move em, and only a small number of teams that would even consider him. Its not great, but if he drops in production next year he actually becomes unmovable at 3 years 105 million.

[Alex English]

Y'all heard about this fancy new hard cap we got?

Chicago would have to dump about $8 mil in salary to get under the projected hard cap ($163 mil) after doing this trade, otherwise no draft picks, no free agency, no sunny days or happy things. Just your own personal rain cloud pissing down on you non-stop, or something like that, maybe I'll go read the rules again.

Apart from that I'm not too sure what I think of this trade yet. I'll wait for Shane Battier to post.

[Tom Izzo]

What the heckin frick is going on in Portland

[Amare Stoudemire]

Ian Noble and Alex English
So the way im understanding this is that even if this trade took chi over the hard cap for now they would technically have to next years rookie draft to get under the hard cap before being stripped a draft pick correct? Bc the draft starts before osfa and it states you dont forfeit a pick till the year you enter into osfa over the cap so that wouldnt affect drafting in this years draft correct? Now i understand that chi couldnt sign anyone unless its for the min and only if your under 12 players but does this affect 1st round picks bc that is a locked in salary and since the rule says the year you enter osfa in the hard cap your affected so the rookie this year should still be signed and than only min contracts if your under 12 players?
So then you need to be under by the 2020 draft to not forfeit that pick bc that would be the bulls 1st year being in the hard cap? But the projected hard cap of 174 mil would then make chi out of the hard cap anyways with the projections if they hold true?
I know this is alot but if anyone can help me out with this it would help immensily! Bc this is the way i understood the new rule by reading the thread on it!

[Alex English]

May 1, 2019 23:06:03 GMT Amare Stoudemire said:

Ian Noble and Alex English
So the way im understanding this is that even if this trade took chi over the hard cap for now they would technically have to next years rookie draft to get under the hard cap before being stripped a draft pick correct? Bc the draft starts before osfa and it states you dont forfeit a pick till the year you enter into osfa over the cap so that wouldnt affect drafting in this years draft correct? Now i understand that chi couldnt sign anyone unless its for the min and only if your under 12 players but does this affect 1st round picks bc that is a locked in salary and since the rule says the year you enter osfa in the hard cap your affected so the rookie this year should still be signed and than only min contracts if your under 12 players?
So then you need to be under by the 2020 draft to not forfeit that pick bc that would be the bulls 1st year being in the hard cap? But the projected hard cap of 174 mil would then make chi out of the hard cap anyways with the projections if they hold true?
I know this is alot but if anyone can help me out with this it would help immensily! Bc this is the way i understood the new rule by reading the thread on it!

No it's this year's draft.

On the day the Rookie Draft starts, if your team is projected to be over the Hard Cap when salaries progress on the following July 1st (usually less than a week later), you lose all your picks in that Draft.
- Link

It's hardly a punishment if you have an entire year to avoid the consequences. This whole loophole you're describing is the exact sort of thing we should want to prevent.

[Amare Stoudemire]

Ok so you have till osfa starts to be under which is still 2 months
Also the problem with that is what if you dont have any picks in the draft and you have a good team so you dont need to sign anyone whats the punishment than?

[Alex English]

May 1, 2019 23:46:41 GMT Amare Stoudemire said:

Ok so you have till osfa starts to be under which is still 2 months

True

May 1, 2019 23:46:41 GMT Amare Stoudemire said:

Also the problem with that is what if you dont have any picks in the draft and you have a good team so you dont need to sign anyone whats the punishment than?

This is true no matter what. Are you in favour of forcibly removing players from teams? That's the way to make it a true hard cap with no exceptions.

[Amare Stoudemire]

Im not sure what i would be 100% in favor of but i know by reading that q&a thread is that its new and everyone has a opinion and theirs alot of good ones!
I dont think taking picks at all is the way to go bc their apart of a team with set salaries! I do agree that you shouldnt be able to sign anyone unless your under 12 and its for the min
I also think that you shouldnt be able to pick up (to) but players that pick up their option shouldnt be affected bc its a signed contract before and violation occured
I also feel you should have 1 year to get your ass under the hard cap or your fired! This seems like a rather new thing here at d5 and im new so i dont want to say much more!
I will finish with teams should not be punished with 1st round picks bc thats real and policing draft picks and salary cap etc is a tall task and the responsibility of a active gm who wants to be part of the league and if a draft pick or any salary decrease or any reason that puts you over the hard cap starts your 1 year clock and if its not fixed bu july 1st the following year youre fired! But thats my opinion

[Amare Stoudemire]

Me and Shane Battier think its best for both parties to part from this trade!

1) its clear most thing this is a bad start to mr west tenure and we dont want that to be the case!

2) i completely misinterpreted the salary hard cap time frame and this greatly changes the dynamic for this trade as it would then have to be reworked and i apologize and take full responsibility for that!!

For these reasons mr battier wont be accepting and the chicago bulls are sorry for wasting the leagues time as well as mr west and the portland Trail-Blazers time and we hope it doesnt effect us doing business agian in the future!
A.S.

[Shane Battier]

Good day, everyone. We would like to apologize to the Trade Committee and to Mr. West as I won't be accepting the proposed trade here. We had a rather quick discussion about this trade and I wasn't aware that it was posted right away. Amar'e made it clear that I'll be the one to make the final decision on this one which I would have to reject. Again, we would like to apologize to everyone.

[Dell Demps]

checking the polls,oof

[Jerry West]

May 2, 2019 1:40:46 GMT Shane Battier said:

Good day, everyone. We would like to apologize to the Trade Committee and to Mr. West as I won't be accepting the proposed trade here. We had a rather quick discussion about this trade and I wasn't aware that it was posted right away. Amar'e made it clear that I'll be the one to make the final decision on this one which I would have to reject. Again, we would like to apologize to everyone.

"Our final offer would have to be this one. It was a miscommunication on our part. We are okay dealing 3 2nds but Okogie is off the table."

This was literally what you said by text. We can accept trades and go back now after reading other people's opinions? I should get an Assistant GM to pull the same stunt.

[Shane Battier]

We were still discussing the trade then. There is a reason why I used the word 'would'. Besides, you had a separate PM with my assistant and both of you had an agreement to post this trade which I never agreed to nor did I give my permission to Amar'e to go ahead and post it.

[Shane Battier]

May 2, 2019 4:38:13 GMT Jerry West said:

May 2, 2019 1:40:46 GMT Shane Battier said:

Good day, everyone. We would like to apologize to the Trade Committee and to Mr. West as I won't be accepting the proposed trade here. We had a rather quick discussion about this trade and I wasn't aware that it was posted right away. Amar'e made it clear that I'll be the one to make the final decision on this one which I would have to reject. Again, we would like to apologize to everyone.

"Our final offer would have to be this one. It was a miscommunication on our part. We are okay dealing 3 2nds but Okogie is off the table."

This was literally what you said by text. We can accept trades and go back now after reading other people's opinions? I should get an Assistant GM to pull the same stunt.

You quoted me on this one but this wasn't even the deal I was referring to. You guys were in a rush and I never was.