Amare Stoudemire
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Apr 18, 2019 11:59:08 GMT
Portland Trades:
(88) - Demar Derozan $31,959,642 $34,189,385 $36,419,128 $38,648,870
(71) - Miles Plumlee $6,717,542 $7,456,471 Total Salary: $38,677,184 Brooklyn Trades:
(78) - Justice Winslow $4,742,545 $6,262,012 (74) - Denzel Valentine $2,141,600 $2,841,903 $3,890,565
(69) - DJ Wilson $2,223,000 $2,597,700 $3,984,872 $5,598,745
2022 Brooklyn 1st Round
Total Salary: $9,107,145
*Brooklyn has the cap to absorb this* Portland accepts Andrei Kirilenko to concur
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Apr 18, 2019 12:16:04 GMT
After many days of negotiations with about every gm in the league and seeing interest, and worth of demar we have decided on this deal with Brooklyn for several reasons!
All 3 young guys were getting are 25 and under, they all have made strides every year. Although valentine was hurt all year hes finally 100% on his ankles since he was a rookie and i believe he can be really good, dj wilson also made huge strides imo this year it just hurts him right now playing on a stacked bucks team! And then their is the 23 year old enigma justice winslow who can do a little of everything and can hopefully blossom into are next demar derozan! We also pick up a 1st in what is shaping up to be a very important draft with the possibility of the 1 and done being over! We also open up enough cap for a max slot during the offseason to improve our team and take advantage of the hard cap looming 👀 paul george 👀 possibly?
So in closing losing are best player hurts but the chance to get justice and these young guys to pair with are lottery pick this year and a possible max star coming to portland in the off season was just too good to pass up!
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Post by Jerry West on Apr 18, 2019 12:45:49 GMT
I feel like this is just bringing DeMar value constantly down.
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Apr 18, 2019 13:17:53 GMT
I feel like this is just bringing DeMar value constantly down. I disagree getting those young guys and a 1st and a max cap slot when not alot of teams have that and the ones that do have their guys to resign so your going to end up with someone! Teams are going to have to shed people as well so they have to come to the teams with cap so when you look at it like this Demar For Max player 22 1st Winslow Valentine Wilson That value is good all day long! |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Apr 18, 2019 13:24:12 GMT
I accept, as Amare says the 2022 is super important in a double draft, and Winslow is a really nice young piece. I’ve been thinking about ways to consolidate assets for a while and this deal sorta checks all the boxes for me and can turn me into a decent playoff team next season.
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Post by Jerry West on Apr 18, 2019 13:29:57 GMT
1 -You don't get the max.
2 - You get pick 30 in 2022, first of there is 0 guarantee that it's the dual draft and even if it's it doesn't mean much. Not all players will jump into the NBA, if high School straight to the NBA showed us anything was most players (except top picks) turning out to be flops. This pick value wise is as good as the 20/22 pick in any other draft.
3 - You get to overpay Winslow this year instead of Josh.
4 - A guy who is 25, spent this year totally out and won't even start on a rebuilding team.
5 - A player who played half of his teams games despite being mostly healthy and won't even see minutes when it counts in the playoffs.
I got a better deal offered from the same team. Where he would include Fultz, not only that I had a deal with them to negotiate in the off season depending on where his draft pick ended up. That draft pick alone is more valuable than this package combined.
Josh didn't even want to make this trade in the regular season, he is trying to tank why would he add DeMar this year and not wait until the deadline?
The only reason he did it's because it is a highway robbery and he can't let the opportunity slide even if it means him dropping 2 or 3 spots in this draft where every position you drop counts since it's really top heavy. If he wouldn't do this deal now he knows you would have just sent him someplace else. You didn't wait for the right moment to make a deal nor value DeMar the way he should be valued.
This is the Kind of the deal you take for a player that goes around 83, 84 overall. Hell I think I got a better return for Danilo and he isn't on DeMar level.
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Apr 18, 2019 13:34:39 GMT
I still disagree, and i was offered fultz too and i wouldnt touch fultz till he proves anything! And acting like that pick will be 30 in 2020 is just ludacris!
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Apr 18, 2019 13:36:02 GMT
And how do u figure i wouldnt have the max check the numbers again!
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Post by Jerry West on Apr 18, 2019 13:42:29 GMT
Yeah a team with Booker, DeMar, John Collins and KP plus a top 5 pick in 4 years being a championship contender? Yeah that's ridiculous when already 3 of them are 85 or higher and Collins will join that group next year. They'll probably be middle of the pack
And if you didn't take a chance on Fultz for free, a former first pick who has been troubled by injured shows you have no vision for the future. How do you reject a dude who was the 2nd youngest player ever to get a triple double (only Doncic beat him this year) despite being injured? Not to mention he has the tools to be a good defender.
But maybe your right and I'm to demanding. I already though that the Portland situation was a black hole and that I couldn't play soft to get out of it. Devaluing by far the best asset like this (in my opinion) just shows either how wrong/delusional am I or just made the job position even worse. In the NBA good GM's don't take every job opportunity, they wait for the right one and that's what I think I'll do.
I officially take my name out of the list of candidates for the Portland TrailBlazers role.
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Apr 18, 2019 13:47:24 GMT
Im not saying they wont be a good team and the pick could easily be in the 20s but who knows but id rather have that than fultz im sorry! Fultz hasnt shown enough triple double or not hes soft and maybe he comes back and proves me wrong but i want too see it!
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Post by Jerry West on Apr 18, 2019 13:48:46 GMT
But you could have Fultz, Winslow and 2022 at worst.
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Apr 18, 2019 13:52:07 GMT
Fultz is to big of a risk and than i wouldnt have been able to move plumlee to get to about 37ish mil in cap space for a 10+ year max and whether i get him or not im going after paul george (if i got the job) and that plumlee contract leaving was important
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Post by Jerry West on Apr 18, 2019 13:59:52 GMT
Why would PG go to Portland for the extra 5 million when he can stay or get the max in Boston, Memphis, Atlanta or I don't know? Brooklyn? A place that you just made even better for him. Josh has cap for him even after taking DeMar.
You think PG would rather join Portland instead of pairing up Booker, DeMar, KP and Collins?
Even the Pelicans and Jazz are a better destination
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Apr 18, 2019 14:03:02 GMT
Yes and they might be but thats plenty more really good players available as well is my point! Siakim etc plus if charlotte wants to resign george he has to deal someone bc of hard cap etc the possibilities are vastly open to improve the team imo
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Post by Tim Duncan on Apr 18, 2019 16:37:08 GMT
Yeah a team with Booker, DeMar, John Collins and KP plus a top 5 pick in 4 years being a championship contender? Yeah that's ridiculous when already 3 of them are 85 or higher and Collins will join that group next year. They'll probably be middle of the pack And if you didn't take a chance on Fultz for free, a former first pick who has been troubled by injured shows you have no vision for the future. How do you reject a dude who was the 2nd youngest player ever to get a triple double (only Doncic beat him this year) despite being injured? Not to mention he has the tools to be a good defender. But maybe your right and I'm to demanding. I already though that the Portland situation was a black hole and that I couldn't play soft to get out of it. Devaluing by far the best asset like this (in my opinion) just shows either how wrong/delusional am I or just made the job position even worse. In the NBA good GM's don't take every job opportunity, they wait for the right one and that's what I think I'll do. I officially take my name out of the list of candidates for the Portland TrailBlazers role. If you are serious about you taking your name out i would like to be a candidate lmao |
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Post by Tom Izzo on Apr 18, 2019 18:22:41 GMT
I officially take my name out of the list of candidates for the Portland TrailBlazers role. By GOD! That's Tom Izzo's music! |
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Post by Tom Izzo on Apr 18, 2019 20:23:56 GMT
 Live look at the Rose Garden |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 18, 2019 20:35:09 GMT
I don't think DeRozan on that contract is worth as much as Jerry West thinks he is.
Winslow is having a career year as a ball handling forward.
DJ Wilson is a pretty good role playing prospect.
Valentine is kinda a low % crapshoot.
That pick will be outside the lotto but eh. At least it's a damned 1st.
Was there a surefire 2022 lotto pick? Maybe. But that's 2 seasons from now. Wasn't long ago Cavs were a playoff team for sure.
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Post by Jerry West on Apr 18, 2019 21:04:03 GMT
I don't think DeRozan on that contract is worth as much as Jerry West thinks he is. Winslow is having a career year as a ball handling forward. DJ Wilson is a pretty good role playing prospect. Valentine is kinda a low % crapshoot. That pick will be outside the lotto but eh. At least it's a damned 1st. Was there a surefire 2022 lotto pick? Maybe. But that's 2 seasons from now. Wasn't long ago Cavs were a playoff team for sure. I think that the fact that I got a better offer from the same team tells you what you need to know. |
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Apr 18, 2019 21:06:45 GMT
Its only a better offer too you bc u still believe in fultz and i dont!
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Post by Jerry West on Apr 18, 2019 21:09:18 GMT
Its only a better offer too you bc u still believe in fultz and i dont! How is getting a player for free bad? There's other people that value him if anything take him and then send him another way in exchange for others assets. That's like saying no to a late 2nd rounder for free (it's even worse but it's an example), will it turn to anything? Probably not, but there's is literally 0 reason to not take a go on it. |
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Apr 18, 2019 21:15:33 GMT
Your not realizing it would have cost me shedding plumlee like i mentioned earlier and im sorry but i would rather have the extra cap space then deal with fultz!
Were candidates for this job and we obviously see things differently and that's kool! I believe this opens up more possibilities and gives the blazers a chance to start anew instead of standing still so this gives them that chance with cap, a stud in winslow, a 1st in 22 and some promising roll the dice prospects. To each their own in thinkin!
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Post by Dell Demps on Apr 19, 2019 1:42:31 GMT
Jerry West I can't believe you're taking these shots from Amar'e, this is what he does. funny that he's taking about the further and disregarding Fultz.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 19, 2019 2:03:09 GMT
I don't think DeRozan on that contract is worth as much as Jerry West thinks he is. Winslow is having a career year as a ball handling forward. DJ Wilson is a pretty good role playing prospect. Valentine is kinda a low % crapshoot. That pick will be outside the lotto but eh. At least it's a damned 1st. Was there a surefire 2022 lotto pick? Maybe. But that's 2 seasons from now. Wasn't long ago Cavs were a playoff team for sure. I think that the fact that I got a better offer from the same team tells you what you need to know. If someone offered me Fultz for Furkan Korkmaz I wouldn't take it for some perspective on how some people view 3rd year perma injured #1s that weren't even that good of prospects to begin with. This is Markelle Fultz not Joel Embiid. He's worth about as much as Anthony Bennett. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Apr 19, 2019 4:11:45 GMT
Wrong again josh.
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Apr 19, 2019 11:03:34 GMT
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Post by Charles Barkley on Apr 20, 2019 22:57:15 GMT
Shit like this is making a mockery of the whole GM selection process.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Apr 21, 2019 10:08:49 GMT
Can we get some votes from the TC? I honestly don’t think this trade is unfair, Winslow + a 1st for DeRozan is pretty fair, not to mention Amare is saving over 30m in cap.
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 21, 2019 10:22:45 GMT
From my perspective this is not enough for Derozan, I'm going to reject.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 21, 2019 12:10:57 GMT
Can't call DeRozan's cap number any sort of negative. This is what players that good cost.
Winslow just hasn't done enough for long enough, and that 1st looks very much like it will not be lottery, and could be in the 20s.
Reject, DeMar is worth more than this, definitively.
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