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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 5, 2014 3:45:15 GMT
It's time to grade the draft. I have the team, then the rank of the player on my Big Board where they were drafted and the grade.
Atlanta Hawks: C+ I think Atlanta did an OK job. I really like Elfrid Payton and don't think he reached too much for him. Saric is meh for me and seeing how far everyone of the foreign guys fell in the draft I feel like he could have tried to trade up from 30 for him. But he did get Marshon Brooks in the deal and an extra 2nd rounder so it keeps the D rating off him. I may change this rating when he makes his last pick.
Elfrid Payton (Rank: 11, Drafted: 9) Payton is tall, long, quick, and uses his tools to hawk the ball defensively. Offensively he crushed the Sun Belt competition in transition, but how will that translate? He has solid floor general skills and slick handles, but he’s a poor shooter and there are questions about his ability to finish in traffic since he’s not an elite athlete. Dario Saric (Rank: 23, Drafted 15), The one first round international prospect that I’m not lower on than consensus. Waiting 2 years for his services isn’t a big deal, but having less than stellar translated stats with his lackluster physical tools is a big deal. His skill and height may enable him to be a good role player, but I don’t see the star potential.
30th pick Incomplete.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 5, 2014 3:53:58 GMT
Boston Celtics: A+ Boston drafted the best in D5, snatching up my top two rated prospects in Exum and Embiid. It didn't really matter what they did with other picks but lets take a look at how everything hashes out.
Joel Embiid (Rank 1, Drafted 3) Embiid has all of the talent and none of the durability. He was in a tier by himself until he became a medical disaster, and now I’m not sure where to put him. I’m going to be optimistic and assume that modern medicine and nutrition is advanced enough to give him the possibility of a normal, healthy career. I understand that this puts me at big time risk of looking terrible down the road, but I never claimed to be able to predict health.
Dante Exum: (Rank 2, Drafted 4) The best able bodied talent in the draft, the thin slice of Exum is promising. His size, length, speed, and quicks give him uniquely good physical tools for a PG, and he supplements that with awesome court vision and basketball IQ. He still needs to learn to play defense and move off the ball, and there is the risk that the 9 game FIBA sample overstates his talent level. I like rolling the dice on him anyway, his great physical profile with a hint of CP3ish BBIQ gives him special offensive upside.
Adrean Payne: (Rank 33, Drafted 16) His ranking from me has less to do with his talent than it does with his limited upside. I can see him being a surefire role player but that's about it. Plus the next 2 guys drafted right after are WAY better.
Shabazz Napier: (Rank 37, Drafted 22) I believe The Real Shabazz has potential to be a perfectly decent role player. But he’s old, tiny, and unathletic at the deepest position in the NBA. Hard to buy the round 1 hype when he has such narrow odds of becoming an above average starter.
Jerami Grant: (Rank 38, Drafted 27) I don’t see how he has the skill level to thrive in the NBA, but I’ll pay enough respect to his good physical tools and OK enough stats to rate him as an early 2nd. Getting drafted by Philly improves his odds of getting playing time and carving out a spot for himself in the NBA.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 5, 2014 4:04:44 GMT
Charlotte Hornets: B- He took the guy he was supposed to take. I'm curious about how much playing time Wiggins gets his first year but it's his second pick that doesn't really ring out to me.
Andrew Wiggins (Rank 7, Drafted 1) Andrew Wiggins’ draft rating is a battle between his uniquely good speed, quicks, and athleticism vs. his lackluster skill level. He was able to perform well in college by burning teams in transition, but draft models still don’t love him and he requires loads of development to become good enough offensively to justify a top 3 draft slot. He still has plenty of potential as a 3 + D role player, however. The upside will either make his team or get the real life GM of the Cavs fired.
James Young (Rank 27, Drafted 14) He’s young and uses his 7’0″ wingspan to get shots off vs. tough defenses. He needs to improve his defense and develop his offense quite a bit to become an attractive NBA player.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 5, 2014 4:07:26 GMT
Chicago Bulls: A Chicago did well by getting a guy in Gary Harris that probably should have been gone. He doesn't get the + because he passed on one guy that is egregiously wasn't drafted in the 1st round assuming Atlanta doesn't take him with the 30th pick.
Gary Harris (Rank 24, Drafted 28) Vanilla 3 + D combo guard who can’t get to the rim and may be too small to guard SG’s. Stats like him enough to take him in round 1, but he has questionable upside.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 5, 2014 4:11:43 GMT
Milwaukee Bucks: F Dougie McBuckets I really like the guy but I just don't see how he can compete at a the NBA level on the defensive end. I hear that Coach Thibs really likes him so maybe I'm wrong in my ranking but I just don't see it.
Doug McDermott (Ranked 34, Drafted 9) One dimensional scorer with poor physical tools. He’s an elite spot up shooter, but will struggle to fit in defensively and translate his interior scoring. The lottery hype is insane.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 5, 2014 4:16:33 GMT
New York Knicks: B+ He gets a guy who fell too far, but he also took a guy that should have fell into the 2nd round way too early.
Aaron Gordon (Rank 4, Drafted 8) Gordon is young, toolsy, and good at everything except shooting. Unfortunately he is frighteningly bad at shooting, which is a difficult wart to weigh. He's just as athletic as Wiggins but he can pass and has 4 position defensive potential.
Rodney Hood (Rank 57, Drafted 19) One of the absolute worst defensive players in the draft. He can be a solid role player offensively, as he’s a good shooter and passer and makes limited mistakes, but can his offensive goodness outweigh his defensive badness? I doubt it.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 5, 2014 4:18:36 GMT
Orlando Magic: B He probably wouldn't have picked better if he had shown up.
PJ Hairston (Rank 20, Drafted 25) An endless supply of catch and shoot 3 pointers with the physical tools to not be a sieve defensively.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 5, 2014 4:21:15 GMT
Philadelphia 76ers: B+ This guy is a workout video nightmare. You think that he's just some lame white dude who does what McDermott does. But then you see he's easily one of the more creative players in the draft and doesn't look to be quite as unathletic as previously presumed.
Nik Stauskas (Rank 14, Drafted 13) Stauskas can dunk surprisingly well for a white shooter, but his tools still aren’t that good overall and he’s lock bad defensively. But it’s hard to not love his handle, passing, and shooting combination as well as his smarts and presumed work ethic given his improvements last offseason.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 5, 2014 4:23:53 GMT
Toronto Raptors: A+ He got some really good players WAY lower than they should have been.
Tyler Ennis (Rank 9, Drafted 18) His game isn’t sexy but it’s effective, and he was at his best vs. good defenses and in clutch situations. Ennis boasts a stellar assist to turnover ratio and great statistical splits, which dually suggest that he has excellent feel for the game. There are questions about his ability to play man to man defense, but he offers a unique form of offensive upside.
Mitch McGary (Rank 25, Drafted 24) Back problems hurt his stock, but stat models tend to like him and his quick feet and high steal rate give him an non-traditional form of defensive appeal.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 5, 2014 4:26:44 GMT
Denver Nuggets: B Didn't reach too far, but there was 3 guys left that I had ranked higher than him.
Noah Vonleh (Rank 10, Drafted 7) Vonleh is tall and long and he can shoot and rebound. He’s also exceptionally young, so these qualities add up to a top 10 pick. His bad hands, poor passing, and mediocre rim finishing cause enough doubt for me to keep him in the back end of the top 10, however.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 5, 2014 4:33:07 GMT
Houston Rockets: C+ REALLY Reached, but then made up for it by getting the best healthy bigman in the draft.
Julius Randle (Rank 22, Drafted 6) Randle brings skill, rebounding, strength, and quick feet to the table but shoots himself in the foot with poor length, mediocre athleticism, and poor feel for the game. This causes translation concerns and exceptionally slow defensive rotations.
TJ Warren (Rank 28, Drafted 10) I actually like this guy better than I have him rated but is one of the weirdest prospects in the draft, TJ Warren thrives off of his elite floater. An great 2 point scoring wing that lacks athleticism is an exceptionally uncommon mold. It seems unlikely to amount to much, but the stats are good enough for a late 1st gamble.
Jusuf Nurkic (Rank 5, Drafted 17) How this guy fell is beyond me, he is a really polished offensive guy for someone so young. He's a lot quicker than one would think a guy his size should be as well. Lots of the teams that passed on him needed big men as well.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 5, 2014 4:38:41 GMT
Memphis Grizzlies: C Got the 3rd ranked guy at 5 but also took a wild swing for the fences when better ranked guys were available.
Marcus Smart (Rank 3, Drafted 5) The best intangibles and the best defensive player (with respect to position) in the draft. His offense is a work in progress, and he doesn’t quite share Exum’s upside on that end. Smart still has the potential to be quite good offensively and I was tempted to put him above Exum due to his superior defensive projection, but for guards it seems wise to err on the side of offensive upside and give the edge to Exum. Better defender than Wiggins for sure.
Bruno Caboclo (Rank Undrafted, Drafted 23) I only had to trade up for him because Bryan told me he was going to take him. I really respect Toronto GM Masai Ujiri and heard that he was coming over right away. He's the Brazilian Durant. If this works out we can change this grade to A++++++. If not I think that Smarts floor prevents this draft from being a total failure.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 5, 2014 4:46:07 GMT
Minnesota T-Wolves: C+ Swiped a guy I was hoping would fall in the 2nd round. But also reached on a guy that I don't think really has a lot of upside.
KJ McDaniels (Rank 13, Drafted 26) KJ was a one man wrecking crew on defense for Clemson, as he used his length and explosiveness to rack up an obscene block rate for a SF. He’s a bit small for the position and his offensive skill level isn’t great, but KJ has solid 3 + D potential nevertheless.
Cleanthony Early (Rank 73, Drafted 29) Can’t pass, can’t get to the rim, not great defensively, too small to play PF, old. He can jump and he can shoot, but that’s not enough to justify his fringe 1st round hype.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 5, 2014 4:50:20 GMT
New Orleans Pelicans: A- I thought they passed on some guys when he made his trades but then again I'm the fat cat telling him he should stop eating so there is that.
Kyle Anderson (Rank 15, Drafted 20) The best NCAA passer this past season, his nickname of SloMo accurately describes his mobility, his leaping ability, and his shot release. But stat models love him and he has super long arms to equip him with at least one great physical tool, so I believe he’s a good gamble outside of the lottery. He's LBJ made of Jello.
Jordan Adams (Rank 19, Drafted 21) Scouting reports hate him, stats love him. I feel scouting reports raise a number of valid points, but at a certain point it’s time to gamble on the stats, especially since he was out of shape when he accrued them.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 5, 2014 4:53:36 GMT
Phoenix Suns: F
The exact opposite problem of Doug McDermott. Whereas Dougie McBuckets isn't a great athlete but is a great basketball player. Zach Lavine is an athlete that can't play basketball. Jumping high gets you so much love but it's freaking useless.
Zach Lavine (Rank 35, Drafted 12) He has the athleticism to make this ranking look silly down the line, but I’m 90% sure he doesn’t have the skill level to do so. You need to believe that Steve Alford severely held him back to take him in round 1.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 5, 2014 4:58:43 GMT
Utah Jazz: D- Reached on the Brigham Young Doughboy at the 2nd spot. This guy is the most overrated ball hog I've ever watched. And would you believe that he actually gave stuff up to get him?
Jabari Parker (Rank 8, Drafted 2) Parker posted great scoring and rebounding numbers as a big man for Duke, but that was largely due to bullying undersized bigs. He struggled vs. teams with good interior defense, and had a horrible assist to turnover ratio which bodes ill for his ability to translate to NBA perimeter player. There are also questions about his defense. His stats are good and he has enough skill, but he needs to become less selfish to become an attractive NBA player and I’m not comfortable betting on players to overhaul their nature.
Part of me fears betting against Jabari since he’s such a fierce competitor, but if you are really that fierce of a competitor you'd probably try on defense.
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Post by Alex English on Jul 5, 2014 5:34:44 GMT
This is gold just to see some of these rankings. I'm terrified to find out who you have ranked in some of these empty spots.
Jeremiah Hill's Big Board:
1 - Joel Embiid 2 - Dante Exum 3 - Marcus Smart 4 - Aaron Gordon 5 - Jusuf Nurkic 6 - ?? 7 - Andrew Wiggins 8 - Jabari Parker 9 - Tyler Ennis 10 - Noah Vonleh 11 - Elfrid Payton 12 - ?? 13 - KJ McDaniels 14 - Nik Stauskas 15 - Kyle Anderson 16 - ?? 17 - ?? 18 - ?? 19 - Jordan Adams 20 - PJ Hairston 21 - ?? 22 - Julius Randle 23 - Dario Saric 24 - Gary Harris 25 - Mitch McGary 26 - ?? 27 - James Young 28 - TJ Warren 29 - ?? 30 - ?? 31 - ?? 32 - ?? 33 - Adreian Payne 34 - Doug McDermott 35 - Zach Lavine 36 - ?? 37 - Shabazz Napier 38 - Jaremi Grant 39 - ?? 40 - ?? 21 - ?? 42 - ?? 43 - ?? 44 - ?? 45 - ?? 46 - ?? 47 - ?? 48 - ?? 49 - ?? 50 - ?? 51 - ?? 52 - ?? 53 - ?? 54 - ?? 55 - ?? 56 - ?? 57 - Rodney Hood 58 - ?? 59 - ?? 60 - ?? 61 - ?? 62 - ?? 63 - ?? 64 - ?? 65 - ?? 66 - ?? 67 - ?? 68 - ?? 69 - ?? 70 - ?? 71 - ?? 72 - ?? 73 - Cleanthony Early N/A - Bruno Caboclo
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 5, 2014 6:26:36 GMT
I used my pre-NBA Draft rankings. I have yet to shift guys around based on where they were drafted to.
Edit: I'll fill these in as they get drafted.
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Post by Magic Johnson on Jul 5, 2014 10:21:36 GMT
LOL at thinking that Lavine can't play and strictly athlete, you do realize that Steve Alford has high nepotism factor right, the only reason why Lavine didn't get a chance to shine is because of Alford's idiotic son being starting point guard at UCLA, nothing more nothing less.
If scrubs like Kory and Bryce Alford doesn't start guys like Kyle Anderson and Zach Lavine would have gotten more chance to blossom as a player.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 5, 2014 12:02:27 GMT
Jeremiah Hill's draft board: where everything's made up and the points don't matter
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 5, 2014 12:22:57 GMT
Couldn't agree more
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jul 5, 2014 12:43:22 GMT
lmfao an F?
I fail to see how adding McDermott off the bench is a bad thing? I need a scoring spark that can come in and give me some points.
When you get mentioned for EOTY two years in a row come talk to me...
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 5, 2014 13:53:42 GMT
Alex EnglishHere you go Alex, update the big board. Bogdan Bogdonovic (Rank 36, Drafted 30) His poor 2p% calls his shot selection into question and hurts his rating in stat models. But he has good tools, good defensive potential, and he impresses in workouts. Not a bad early round 2 flier Glenn Robinson (Rank 31, Drafted 31) His appeal is as an athletic 3 + D SF, except neither the 3 nor the D can be taken for granted. But he did finish a scintillating 83% of rim attempts as a sophomore. Jarnell Stokes (Rank 18, Drafted 32) The physically strongest player in the draft, Stokes suffers from being an undersized PF without 3 point range. But he does enough things well for stat models to like him, and he’s essentially Julius Randle with better defense and less hype. Greak pickup Brian. Deandre Daniels (Rank 70, Drafted 33) He doesn’t have a clear niche defensively, and his non-existent passing may be his undoing. But he’s long and can space and score, and I’m running out of possibly useful players. Russ Smith (Rank 40, Drafted 34) He’s tiny and old but he’s also exceptionally quick with both his feet and his hands. He has also developed his game impressively over the past 2 seasons, and I like him in round 2.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 5, 2014 13:59:44 GMT
lmfao an F? I fail to see how adding McDermott off the bench is a bad thing? I need a scoring spark that can come in and give me some points. When you get mentioned for EOTY two years in a row come talk to me... I'm just going on where I ranked the players. While my ranks are not updated by where a player has been drafted, McDermott probably gets a major boost given his offensive skills, underrated athleticism and the fact that he's going to a coach who has really helped defensively deficient guys get really decent at defense. Plus I have to believe that Thibs had something to say when it came to who to draft so if he thinks he can help him defend then he could.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 16:01:57 GMT
Milwaukee Bucks: F Dougie McBuckets I really like the guy but I just don't see how he can compete at a the NBA level on the defensive end. I hear that Coach Thibs really likes him so maybe I'm wrong in my ranking but I just don't see it.
Doug McDermott (Ranked 34, Drafted 9) One dimensional scorer with poor physical tools. He’s an elite spot up shooter, but will struggle to fit in defensively and translate his interior scoring. The lottery hype is insane.
YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT THIS! I tried sooooooooo hard to trade up between 9-15 so I could draft him. Another great pick by the Bucks!
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Post by Alex English on Jul 5, 2014 16:33:12 GMT
YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT THIS! I tried sooooooooo hard to trade up between 9-15 so I could draft him. Another great pick by the Bucks! The guy has Jusuf Nurkic as the 5th best player in the draft, ahead of Andrew Wiggins and Jabari Parker. That's the first of many clues that his rankings are ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 16:35:22 GMT
YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT THIS! I tried sooooooooo hard to trade up between 9-15 so I could draft him. Another great pick by the Bucks! The guy has Jusuf Nurkic as the 5th best player in the draft, ahead of Andrew Wiggins and Jabari Parker. That's the first of many clues that his rankings are ridiculous. I don't know who that is but I will take your word for it!
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Post by James Kay on Jul 5, 2014 16:52:15 GMT
Charlotte Hornets: B- He took the guy he was supposed to take. I'm curious about how much playing time Wiggins gets his first year but it's his second pick that doesn't really ring out to me.
Andrew Wiggins (Rank 7, Drafted 1) Andrew Wiggins’ draft rating is a battle between his uniquely good speed, quicks, and athleticism vs. his lackluster skill level. He was able to perform well in college by burning teams in transition, but draft models still don’t love him and he requires loads of development to become good enough offensively to justify a top 3 draft slot. He still has plenty of potential as a 3 + D role player, however. The upside will either make his team or get the real life GM of the Cavs fired.
James Young (Rank 27, Drafted 14) He’s young and uses his 7’0″ wingspan to get shots off vs. tough defenses. He needs to improve his defense and develop his offense quite a bit to become an attractive NBA player.
I think you're sleeping on young
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 5, 2014 17:05:37 GMT
YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT THIS! I tried sooooooooo hard to trade up between 9-15 so I could draft him. Another great pick by the Bucks! The guy has Jusuf Nurkic as the 5th best player in the draft, ahead of Andrew Wiggins and Jabari Parker. That's the first of many clues that his rankings are ridiculous. A big man who has offensive potential like Nurkic is always more valuable than a raw wing (Wiggins) and a fat tweener (Parker).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 17:32:11 GMT
The guy has Jusuf Nurkic as the 5th best player in the draft, ahead of Andrew Wiggins and Jabari Parker. That's the first of many clues that his rankings are ridiculous. A big man who has offensive potential like Nurkic is always more valuable than a raw wing (Wiggins) and a fat tweener (Parker). I going to demonstrate the level of absurdity you and Chuck display about big men being better than perimeter players. A big man who has offensive potential like Milicic is always more valuable than a raw wing (Wade) and a fat tweener (Melo).
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