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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 5, 2014 17:33:19 GMT
Not necessarily better, just more valuable because there are less of them.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 5, 2014 17:56:19 GMT
A big man who has offensive potential like Nurkic is always more valuable than a raw wing (Wiggins) and a fat tweener (Parker). I going to demonstrate the level of absurdity you and Chuck display about big men being better than perimeter players. A big man who has offensive potential like Milicic is always more valuable than a raw wing (Wade) and a fat tweener (Melo). Why are you bringing me into this? Look around the league, the scarcity of dominant big men is much more apparent than the scarcity of dominant wings. That is that. There are very few dominant post players.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 5, 2014 19:22:06 GMT
I also think you are wrong on Early but to each their own. The Knicks need so much help, and that was Phil Jackson's first draft pick for his new team. In Phil I trust!
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jul 5, 2014 22:03:02 GMT
The guy has Jusuf Nurkic as the 5th best player in the draft, ahead of Andrew Wiggins and Jabari Parker. That's the first of many clues that his rankings are ridiculous. A big man who has offensive potential like Nurkic is always more valuable than a raw wing (Wiggins) and a fat tweener (Parker). I don't get where this "Fat" label is coming from for Parker. He measured in at 12% body fat. At 11% body fat you typically begin to see abs. He's just a big guy. Hardly would call him fat. He's also not really a tweener either. He measured in at almost identical numbers to Kevin Love's combine numbers. 6"9 255 pounds with a 6'11 wingspan. At that size, with his ability to dribble the basketball and move down the court like a gazelle, I think he's going to be good.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 5, 2014 22:10:58 GMT
A big man who has offensive potential like Nurkic is always more valuable than a raw wing (Wiggins) and a fat tweener (Parker). I don't get where this "Fat" label is coming from for Parker. He measured in at 12% body fat. At 11% body fat you typically begin to see abs. He's just a big guy. Hardly would call him fat. He's also not really a tweener either. He measured in at almost identical numbers to Kevin Love's combine numbers. 6"9 255 pounds with a 6'11 wingspan. At that size, with his ability to dribble the basketball and move down the court like a gazelle, I think he's going to be good. I define tweener as a guy who market's himself as a 3 but can't guard the position. He'll put up numbers for Milwaukee I don't doubt that but watch what happens when they are ready to make the leap and he actually has to play defense.
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jul 5, 2014 22:15:10 GMT
I don't get where this "Fat" label is coming from for Parker. He measured in at 12% body fat. At 11% body fat you typically begin to see abs. He's just a big guy. Hardly would call him fat. He's also not really a tweener either. He measured in at almost identical numbers to Kevin Love's combine numbers. 6"9 255 pounds with a 6'11 wingspan. At that size, with his ability to dribble the basketball and move down the court like a gazelle, I think he's going to be good. I define tweener as a guy who market's himself as a 3 but can't guard the position. He'll put up numbers for Milwaukee I don't doubt that but watch what happens when they are ready to make the leap and he actually has to play defense. I agree his defense isn't the best, but I think he's going to be a stretch four in this league. He definitely has the size and he will be sandwiched between two LONG athletic defenders in Larry Sanders and Giannis Antetokounmpo. I think that will help mask him tremendously.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 5, 2014 22:20:47 GMT
A big man who has offensive potential like Nurkic is always more valuable than a raw wing (Wiggins) and a fat tweener (Parker). I don't get where this "Fat" label is coming from for Parker. He measured in at 12% body fat. At 11% body fat you typically begin to see abs. He's just a big guy. Hardly would call him fat. He's also not really a tweener either. He measured in at almost identical numbers to Kevin Love's combine numbers. 6"9 255 pounds with a 6'11 wingspan. At that size, with his ability to dribble the basketball and move down the court like a gazelle, I think he's going to be good. Where are you getting these body fat percentages at? My concerns about Parker were more than his weight and athleticism.
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jul 5, 2014 22:31:22 GMT
I don't get where this "Fat" label is coming from for Parker. He measured in at 12% body fat. At 11% body fat you typically begin to see abs. He's just a big guy. Hardly would call him fat. He's also not really a tweener either. He measured in at almost identical numbers to Kevin Love's combine numbers. 6"9 255 pounds with a 6'11 wingspan. At that size, with his ability to dribble the basketball and move down the court like a gazelle, I think he's going to be good. Where are you getting these body fat percentages at? My concerns about Parker were more than his weight and athleticism. From the Journal Sentinel when he had his private workout in Milwaukee.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 6, 2014 17:56:06 GMT
Alex EnglishClint Capela (Rank 6, Drafted 36) It’s hard to find a place where I’m comfortable ranking all of the compelling internationals. It may be ill advised to place two underhyped internationals (Nurkic) above the consensus top 2 picks, but if at least one of them becomes a better pro than both Parker and Wiggins I will consider this ranking a success. If this looks silly later, I will take overseas stats with a bigger grain of salt next time. But bigs with good stats and good tools are good picks, and the gambler in me is more attracted to these two than Parker and Wiggins. Damien Inglis (Rank 12, Drafted 37) He offers a similar appeal as Wiggins: average stats at a young age, good tools, and good defense. I get that super athleticism is sexier than having LeBron James’ body with longer arms, but I believe BronBod needs more love. C.J. Wilcox (Rank 74, Drafted 35) Like Early, he’s an old, one dimensional shooter who can jump a little bit. I suppose scouts like these types more than I do. Russ Smith (Rank 40, Drafted 34) He’s tiny and old but he’s also exceptionally quick with both his feet and his hands. He has also developed his game impressively over the past 2 seasons, and I like him in round 2. Deandre Daniels (Rank 70, Drafted 33) He doesn’t have a clear niche defensively, and his non-existent passing may be his undoing. But he’s long and can space and score, and I’m running out of possibly useful players. Jarnell Stokes (Rank 18, Drafted 32) The physically strongest player in the draft, Stokes suffers from being an undersized PF without 3 point range. But he does enough things well for stat models to like him, and he’s essentially Julius Randle with better defense and less hype. Glenn Robinson (Rank 31, Drafted 31) His appeal is as an athletic 3 + D SF, except neither the 3 nor the D can be taken for granted. But he did finish a scintillating 83% of rim attempts as a sophomore. Bogdan Bogdanovic (Rank 36, Drafted 30) His poor 2p% calls his shot selection into question and hurts his rating in stat models. But he has good tools, good defensive potential, and he impresses in workouts. Not a bad early round 2 flier.
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