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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 21, 2018 6:41:52 GMT
San Antonio Spurs Send:80 Zach Randolph - $16,500,293 81 Rudy Gay - $17,249,400 75 Jamal Crawford - $5,000,000 SAS 2021 1st SAS 2021 2nd Total: $38,749,693 (x1.25 = $48,437,116) San Antonio Spurs Receive:79 Jonas Valanciunas - $23,500,000 - $24,440,000 - $25,380,000 - $26,320,000 80 Harrison Barnes - $24,750,000 - $26,606,250 - $28,462,500 - $30,318,750 - $32,175,000 Total: $48,250,000 LA Lakers Send:79 Jonas Valanciunas - $23,500,000 - $24,440,000 - $25,380,000 - $26,320,000 80 Harrison Barnes - $24,750,000 - $26,606,250 - $28,462,500 - $30,318,750 - $32,175,000 Total: $48,250,000 (x1.25 = $60,312,500) LA Lakers Receive:80 Zach Randolph - $16,500,293 81 Rudy Gay - $17,249,400 75 Jamal Crawford - $5,000,000 79 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist - $15,000,000 - $13,875,000 - $12,750,000 - $11,625,000 - $12,750,000 SAS 2021 2nd MEM 2020 2nd Total: $53,749,693 Brooklyn Nets Send:79 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist - $15,000,000 - $13,875,000 - $12,750,000 - $11,625,000 - $12,750,000 MEM 2020 2nd Total: $15,000,000 (x1.25 = $18,750,000) Brooklyn Nets Receive:SAS 2021 1st I accept. MKG has had a surprising amount of interest and value this year. It is tough to give up a player I’ve had for 4 years, but moving MKG should help me lose a few more games this year with Kristaps injured. LAL is sacrificing 1 rating point to get a player who is on half the salary of Barnes. The move gives the Lakers a ton of flexiblity going forward, especially by also moving Valanciunas for expiring Gay/Randolph. Now the Lakers can either keep trading and move those guys to help their draft pick out this year, or he can try to consolidate to get into the playoffs. The Spurs get two guys who can actually be the future of the franchise, as they were a bit stuck otherwise without much cap room and very few players on the roster going forward. The team has some direction now. I think this trade actually makes a ton of sense for all teams involved, and I'm not just saying that because I'm picking up a 1st rounder.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Feb 21, 2018 7:01:41 GMT
Josh is Iron Man
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 21, 2018 8:49:03 GMT
Unbelievable
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Feb 21, 2018 10:20:35 GMT
Hold your horses..
Let us wait for the other two.
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Post by Mark Price on Feb 21, 2018 13:17:13 GMT
San Antonio Spurs Send:80 Zach Randolph - $16,500,293 81 Rudy Gay - $17,249,400 75 Jamal Crawford - $5,000,000 SAS 2021 1st SAS 2021 2nd Total: $38,749,693 (x1.25 = $48,437,116) San Antonio Spurs Receive:79 Jonas Valanciunas - $23,500,000 - $24,440,000 - $25,380,000 - $26,320,000 80 Harrison Barnes - $24,750,000 - $26,606,250 - $28,462,500 - $30,318,750 - $32,175,000 Total: $48,250,000 LA Lakers Send:79 Jonas Valanciunas - $23,500,000 - $24,440,000 - $25,380,000 - $26,320,000 80 Harrison Barnes - $24,750,000 - $26,606,250 - $28,462,500 - $30,318,750 - $32,175,000 Total: $48,250,000 (x1.25 = $60,312,500) LA Lakers Receive:80 Zach Randolph - $16,500,293 81 Rudy Gay - $17,249,400 75 Jamal Crawford - $5,000,000 79 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist - $15,000,000 - $13,875,000 - $12,750,000 - $11,625,000 - $12,750,000 SAS 2021 2nd MEM 2020 2nd Total: $53,749,693 Brooklyn Nets Send:79 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist - $15,000,000 - $13,875,000 - $12,750,000 - $11,625,000 - $12,750,000 MEM 2020 2nd Total: $15,000,000 (x1.25 = $18,750,000) Brooklyn Nets Receive:SAS 2021 1st I accept. MKG has had a surprising amount of interest and value this year. It is tough to give up a player I’ve had for 4 years, but moving MKG should help me lose a few more games this year with Kristaps injured. LAL is sacrificing 1 rating point to get a player who is on half the salary of Barnes. The move gives the Lakers a ton of flexiblity going forward, especially by also moving Valanciunas for expiring Gay/Randolph. Now the Lakers can either keep trading and move those guys to help their draft pick out this year, or he can try to consolidate to get into the playoffs. The Spurs get two guys who can actually be the future of the franchise, as they were a bit stuck otherwise without much cap room and very few players on the roster going forward. The team has some direction now. I think this trade actually makes a ton of sense for all teams involved, and I'm not just saying that because I'm picking up a 1st rounder. I accept. I'm not a fan of JV and HB's contracts. This move gives me some flexibility moving forward. It also gives me expiring contracts that can be used in further trades this year. The two seconds are important as well considering the little amount of draft picks I had when I took over.
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Post by JR Wiles on Feb 21, 2018 13:17:23 GMT
I'm on board.
We accept.
I still have my first this season and my 2020#1.
We lost Jonas in FA, and this was long needed.
We get Jonas to start at center, Horford back to PF and Barnes will be replacing Rudy Gays expiring.
Not many player agents like me as GM and that makes getting FAs back to S.A. difficult. I bring in two very good guys and starters in the NBA for 3 expirings and picks...all futures.
Jonas Valanciunas Am Horford Harrison Barnes Derrick Rose Isaiah Thomas
David West Kelly Olynk Richard Jefferson Randy Foye Channing Frye MCW Tyler Zeller Roy Hibbert
Go Spurs- Playoff Ready
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Feb 21, 2018 13:21:53 GMT
The Lakers side is the one that is worth looking at.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 21, 2018 13:29:06 GMT
The Lakers do great here. The issue is that JR gives up what will be a top 10 pick for 2 net negative contacts. Also he indicated he might retire as a gm earlier in the year and is now trading away all his pick for a team that has no chance of competing, sentencing the next spurs gm to cap and pick hell
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 21, 2018 13:47:32 GMT
The Lakers do great here. The issue is that JR gives up what will be a top 10 pick for 2 net negative contacts. I think different perceptions of Valanciunas and Barnes are what makes makes the trade so interesting. Both are only 25 years old and were both signed to those contracts just a few months ago. And both have gotten better in real-life this season. Mark Price is obviously in the same camp as you, thinking that they are overpaid. But obviously Magic Johnson wasn't in that camp when he signed the deals, and clearly a lot of other GMs weren't either as these players had multiple bids. JR is clearly in the camp that values them. They are getting paid a lot, but both players are obviously starter quality players for the next 5 years. Both have some sort of fringe all-star potential as well, IMO. And its not like JR was going to have a ton of luck this offseason anyway (nor did he even have enough cap for one of these max contracts), so this way he locks in two players who can be cornerstones of his franchise for the next 5 years.
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Feb 21, 2018 14:03:55 GMT
Spurs: I'm a big fan of JV (bias) and he's having a monster year. If he keeps playing the way he does, I believe he can be a mid level 80 in the next few years. Barnes is a decent player but huge contract. His lineup Isaiah Thomas - SG - Barnes - Horford - Jonas which to me is pretty good.
Lakers: I'd do the same thing if I had to rebuild a team. Basically take all expiring deals and get out those big contracts. I did that with the Raptors when I started
Nets: yeah.
Overall if JR understands the hard cap rules coming up in the next few years, I will accept this deal.
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Post by JR Wiles on Feb 21, 2018 14:21:33 GMT
I talk alot of shit about retiring, but if I was going to do that, I would have left by now. I've been here 5+ years. I've always been active and it's nothing but true what I've said about getting FAs to S.A.. I was never going to get star talent back to the city without blowing up what I've been working on and waiting years. I've worked 5 years on my team and I'm not giving up now. Not only that but I would prob lose IT and Olynk in the near future without such a trade. We also still have this year's #1 that we will keep and use to get younger as we move forward. We understand what we are doing and what our future consists of.
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 21, 2018 15:29:45 GMT
I accept
Josh does well getting a 1st for MKG, I'm not a huge fan of MKG.
Lakers make a big but not scary change to start Mark Price's tenure. Everybody always wants to make their own mark on their team to start out. This could come back and bite him in the ass, but those expirings can be used to good effect if used wisely.
Spurs do ok, both Jonas and Harrison are quietly performing consistently.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 21, 2018 18:46:08 GMT
Isn't there a moratorium on trading if you're new? Feel like the Lakers kinda get screwed here.
MKG is ass, and Josh gets a 2021 first for him? You gotta be kidding me
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Feb 21, 2018 18:48:02 GMT
Usually two weeks?
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 21, 2018 18:50:21 GMT
Isn't there a moratorium on trading if you're new? Feel like the Lakers kinda get screwed here. MKG is ass, and Josh gets a 2021 first for him? You gotta be kidding me Usually it's a week if anything, but I Mark Price has been on the trial period for nearly 2 weeks now.
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Post by Danny Longley on Feb 21, 2018 18:54:50 GMT
I'll Accept.
For the Spurs, they get two starters for a first and some expirings - contracts are pretty heavy but they're both 25 and starters for their IRL teams.
For the Lakers, I'm not big on taking back MKG, but they do clear over $30m cap and kind of get a soft reset. MKG's 24 so he's not a complete loss at this point IMO.
Nets dump MKG for a first, sure.
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Post by Mark Price on Feb 21, 2018 18:55:44 GMT
Isn't there a moratorium on trading if you're new? Feel like the Lakers kinda get screwed here. MKG is ass, and Josh gets a 2021 first for him? You gotta be kidding me Usually it's a week if anything, but I Mark Price has been on the trial period for nearly 2 weeks now. To be fair, I have only been listening to trade offers since Sunday.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 21, 2018 18:59:09 GMT
Isn't there a moratorium on trading if you're new? Feel like the Lakers kinda get screwed here. MKG is ass, and Josh gets a 2021 first for him? You gotta be kidding me It’s seems like it’s always the same GMs in every trade saying my players are bad. Didn’t you also say, and I quote, “Wiggins and LaVine are trash” ? You know what is actually trash? The joke of a supporting cast and cap situation you’ve managed to surround your generational player Giannis with. What exactly is your pitch going to be this summer? “Trust me, TJ Warren is an 84!!! Kevin Love is always injured and turning 30, but 30 is the new 20!!” And what’s more, you have so many randos in your roster that you can’t even try to find Giannis a proper running mate in free agency because you have no cap space. So you just expect him to have some sort of unearned loyalty and come back to play with TJ Warren? Can’t wait for OSFA.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 21, 2018 19:53:47 GMT
Isn't there a moratorium on trading if you're new? Feel like the Lakers kinda get screwed here. MKG is ass, and Josh gets a 2021 first for him? You gotta be kidding me It’s seems like it’s always the same GMs in every trade saying my players are bad. Didn’t you also say, and I quote, “Wiggins and LaVine are trash” ? You know what is actually trash? The joke of a supporting cast and cap situation you’ve managed to surround your generational player Giannis with. What exactly is your pitch going to be this summer? “Trust me, TJ Warren is an 84!!! Kevin Love is always injured and turning 30, but 30 is the new 20!!” And what’s more, you have so many randos in your roster that you can’t even try to find Giannis a proper running mate in free agency because you have no cap space. So you just expect him to have some sort of unearned loyalty and come back to play with TJ Warren? Can’t wait for OSFA. You're players are trash in comparison to what they're being traded for, I think that is the point I am trying to make when I say those things. Wiggins and Lavine for KP was dumb on Michi's part MKG for this 2021 1st is dumb regarding this trade. But that isn't a slight at you, more a slight at the other people in these deals. Im not gonna comment on your Giannis shit, it isn't relevant to this discussion. I'm sorry your butt hurt by me telling the other people you trade with their being ripped off.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 21, 2018 20:25:31 GMT
Good thing Ian expanded signature length, Giannis has a really long name Charles Barkley
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 21, 2018 22:04:58 GMT
This is Josh constructing a trade between two teams then inserting himself into it. Its really an art to be honest he's probably been in the most 3 way deals of any GM typically dumping contracts on new GMs or Larry or JR. To be fair JR doesn't get old pieces of shit for once so thats a nice change of pace.
I know for a fact that Barber came to both of you first.
Why not just cut him out of it entirely? Screw MKG and just send the 2020 1st to the Lakers?
Idk. Good job Barber idk how you get people to agree to this crap.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 21, 2018 22:06:27 GMT
Like you give Josh 15 mil in cap space and a future 1st for 0 reason.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 21, 2018 22:12:00 GMT
Jeremiah, you hit a nail on the head.
I don't see why Mark doesn't just do the swap with JR alone. And then if he truly wants MKG more than SAS 2021 1st, which I fine a bit hard to believe, make the trade but get Barber to give something in order to gain his cap space and move a player who is just ok.
I'm not ready to vote yet but I don't like that aspect of it.
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Post by JR Wiles on Feb 21, 2018 22:21:37 GMT
Actually I was prob one of the first to message Mark. I messaged him about Jonas and he was to get back to me. The thing is I got a message from both and they wanted me to take less. I wasn't giving up my expirings and players that are helping me win some games, just to lose even more. Barnes was added in and i feel losing two guys for two younger guys with contracts for my first was the way to go. Mark still was not sure so we adjusted and added. There was no way I would have gotten both guys wihout other pieces to offer Mark. It was stay still or wait for the right offer... this was the right offer...
Mark seems like a smart guy and I'm sure he will do just fine.
I really thought Barber was trying to get Jonas!!! Lmao.
Go Spurs!!
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Post by JR Wiles on Feb 21, 2018 22:25:46 GMT
Ps... the West is about to change... my team played well with Jonas last season until IT went down. Excited to see where this gets us.
Jonas, Horford, Barnes, Thomas, Olynk....
Build with Talent, Versatility, and players that are team guys!! Now if I could only find a buyer for DRose.
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Post by Mark Price on Feb 21, 2018 22:49:15 GMT
Jeremiah, you hit a nail on the head. I don't see why Mark doesn't just do the swap with JR alone. And then if he truly wants MKG more than SAS 2021 1st, which I fine a bit hard to believe, make the trade but get Barber to give something in order to gain his cap space and move a player who is just ok. I'm not ready to vote yet but I don't like that aspect of it. I was planning on just swapping with JR alone. We've been talking about a deal for just starting Sunday. I'd rather not have MKG in the deal at all, but we were already pretty far down the road to cut him out. The more I'm looking at the deal the more reservations I have. I'm starting to figure out why the moratorium was put in place for new GMs.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Feb 21, 2018 22:59:09 GMT
And I don't want to say this but.. What is really the value of clearing cap space? So what the hell if Price cleared 30M?
Though, the deal is already accepted.
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Post by Alex English on Feb 21, 2018 23:02:17 GMT
I actually like this deal for the Spurs. JR picks up two good young players who are just entering their prime, and all he really gives up is a 2021 1st round pick.
Josh does well given his position, he gets rid of $14m, picks up a 1st rounder, and can now enter free agency with Kristaps and Booker as the young core pieces and a boat load of money to spend.
The Lakers though, this isn't a great trade for a brand new GM imo. Given the giant contracts handed out to Kemba, Dragic, Barnes and JV, they're kind of doomed to be the 6-8 seed for the foreseeable future. So I can understand wanting to trade away these two guys, but the return is weak. It's basically cap space and some 2nd rounders for the pair of Barnes and JV. Surely there's a better trade out there.
I think this hurts the Lakers, but I'm not sure if it's bad enough to reject.
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 21, 2018 23:30:40 GMT
I find it difficult to grade the acceptability/rejectability of this trade right now because the value of gigantic long-term contracts is in flux as the hard cap approaches. It's also not fair for others to re-work the trade and cut out the Nets halfway through the process. This might be one of the first times that we have to look to the existence of the 'once you've accepted you can't back out' rule. It's also not good that Mr Price had such a lack of foresight on his first trade but the value of an expiring contract is increasing and he picks them up here, it might be the Spurs making the long-term mistake, but it's not like Barnes and Val are poop.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 21, 2018 23:35:58 GMT
For the record I don't think anyone is getting screwed.
The trade is fully acceptable.
I just think the whole thing is stupid considering the trade is win-win for Barber specifically.
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