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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 13, 2017 3:48:22 GMT
BTW. I love you all and am not holding a grudge. I just want us to be clear on how this process works. I thought I knew but these "negotiations" were rather different than the ones I'm used to so I just want to know if we've changed the rules and operating on new rules, or what. And, good morning Ian Noble. Another fun day in OSFA! Cheers, happy reading. |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 13, 2017 3:50:42 GMT
I am not saying a word because I do not want to get banned again, but I have finally figured you out. What were you banned for? |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 13, 2017 4:01:52 GMT
What were you banned for? blow up |
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Post by Vlade Divac on Jul 13, 2017 4:03:24 GMT
What were you banned for? blow up Were you even around then? |
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Post by JR Wiles on Jul 13, 2017 5:14:31 GMT
The main thing that upsets me here is NOT ONCE did I get a response from Durant telling me where I stood. Pretty shitty. I don't agree with the decision but I can live with that, I guess. But as a bidding team, all I was ever told is that Kevin received my offer. I think he belongs in OKC so the West continues to stay competitive, but he could have been the difference in Minnesota winning the championship next season. Either way Minnesota is a contender like we saw this season. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 13, 2017 5:19:30 GMT
Were you even around then? Be proud that you did it in a style that everyone remembered. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 13, 2017 5:19:53 GMT
BTW. I love you all and am not holding a grudge. I just want us to be clear on how this process works. I thought I knew but these "negotiations" were rather different than the ones I'm used to so I just want to know if we've changed the rules and operating on new rules, or what. And, good morning Ian Noble . Another fun day in OSFA! Cheers, happy reading. It appears what happened last year to me might be going on with Alex. |
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Post by JR Wiles on Jul 13, 2017 5:23:56 GMT
However, i am glad that a group of unknowns did vote and not everyone chose OKC... I think it's still fair. I would like to see him in SA if not Minny.
This signing also improves our overall shot moving forward in a powerhouse western conference.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 13, 2017 9:27:07 GMT
Alex English Walt Frazier - Reading through your comments there's one thing I feel is missing. When I was a Player Agent my #1 method of negotiation was instantly mentioning every factor counting against a GM's offer and allow them the chance for rebuttal, then using my own judgement to weigh the strength of that rebuttal. GMs get pissed off when because they don't feel like their negotiation points are being taken into account. That's true of Walt Frazier here with KD, that's true of me with Damian Lillard. I feel like allowing a GM to fight their corner on every major point against them is the best negotiating tactic for deciding who goes where and, Walt Frazier, we need to do this with Paul George if we haven't already. All of that being said it's more important than everything else mentioned to say that you guys both do a fantastic job for the league and we wouldn't be here without you.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 13, 2017 11:11:28 GMT
Were you even around then? Yes sir. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 13, 2017 11:26:29 GMT
Alex English Walt Frazier - Reading through your comments there's one thing I feel is missing. When I was a Player Agent my #1 method of negotiation was instantly mentioning every factor counting against a GM's offer and allow them the chance for rebuttal, then using my own judgement to weigh the strength of that rebuttal. GMs get pissed off when because they don't feel like their negotiation points are being taken into account. That's true of Walt Frazier here with KD, that's true of me with Damian Lillard. I feel like allowing a GM to fight their corner on every major point against them is the best negotiating tactic for deciding who goes where and, Walt Frazier, we need to do this with Paul George if we haven't already. All of that being said it's more important than everything else mentioned to say that you guys both do a fantastic job for the league and we wouldn't be here without you. I think there's always room for improvement, such as, this could be a full time job and this is all I would do all day, and it would actually take all day because everyone else would continually respond back to my continuous responses. BUT, aside from that not being realistic, I feel I've been informing the teams pretty regularly the whole time. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I'm sending 10-15 PMs on average every single night. When someone else is online and they start responding that number can easily jump into the 20s or 30s. I believe I give back at least as much as I receive in terms of information, and frequently find my responses to be longer than the messages sent to me. Not the initial offer of course, those are massive. Anyway, I've had multiple GMs this off-season mention they appreciate the communication and my responses, including at least 2 of the 4 left in the PG sweepstakes. An did any of them reading this want more communication or have questions I believe they all know I'll be straight with them. Even if my answer is "we are still deciding but you're a top 3 consideration at this time", if they want to know, they know If they never message me, it's easy to forget about messaging them back though, to be honest. That's where the whole effort thing comes in here too. |
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Post by Alex English on Jul 13, 2017 19:13:25 GMT
It appears what happened last year to me might be going on with Alex. Nah this is nothing. Just a drop in the bucket compared to the whole Marc Gasol thing. Every year something will happen during this time to make me think how nice it would be to just not bother with all the player agent BS and just be sending offers like the rest of the league. Here I am though, year after year.. |
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jul 13, 2017 21:17:31 GMT
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 13, 2017 22:13:50 GMT
Alex English Walt Frazier - Reading through your comments there's one thing I feel is missing. When I was a Player Agent my #1 method of negotiation was instantly mentioning every factor counting against a GM's offer and allow them the chance for rebuttal, then using my own judgement to weigh the strength of that rebuttal. GMs get pissed off when because they don't feel like their negotiation points are being taken into account. That's true of Walt Frazier here with KD, that's true of me with Damian Lillard. I feel like allowing a GM to fight their corner on every major point against them is the best negotiating tactic for deciding who goes where and, Walt Frazier , we need to do this with Paul George if we haven't already. All of that being said it's more important than everything else mentioned to say that you guys both do a fantastic job for the league and we wouldn't be here without you. Back in my day..... Get these damn kids off my lawn!!1 |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 13, 2017 22:18:05 GMT
Alex English Walt Frazier - Reading through your comments there's one thing I feel is missing. When I was a Player Agent my #1 method of negotiation was instantly mentioning every factor counting against a GM's offer and allow them the chance for rebuttal, then using my own judgement to weigh the strength of that rebuttal. GMs get pissed off when because they don't feel like their negotiation points are being taken into account. That's true of Walt Frazier here with KD, that's true of me with Damian Lillard. I feel like allowing a GM to fight their corner on every major point against them is the best negotiating tactic for deciding who goes where and, Walt Frazier , we need to do this with Paul George if we haven't already. All of that being said it's more important than everything else mentioned to say that you guys both do a fantastic job for the league and we wouldn't be here without you. I think there's always room for improvement, such as, this could be a full time job and this is all I would do all day, and it would actually take all day because everyone else would continually respond back to my continuous responses. BUT, aside from that not being realistic, I feel I've been informing the teams pretty regularly the whole time. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I'm sending 10-15 PMs on average every single night. When someone else is online and they start responding that number can easily jump into the 20s or 30s. I believe I give back at least as much as I receive in terms of information, and frequently find my responses to be longer than the messages sent to me. Not the initial offer of course, those are massive. Anyway, I've had multiple GMs this off-season mention they appreciate the communication and my responses, including at least 2 of the 4 left in the PG sweepstakes. An did any of them reading this want more communication or have questions I believe they all know I'll be straight with them. Even if my answer is "we are still deciding but you're a top 3 consideration at this time", if they want to know, they know If they never message me, it's easy to forget about messaging them back though, to be honest. That's where the whole effort thing comes in here too. Personally, I'd love a 1 and 1 response system. The GM sends in an initial pitch. The PA sends back a list of things to rebut against, and then its decision making time. It wouldn't speed things up, because the PA's would need to think about what the list of things for the GM to rebut would be, and it would be a collaborative effort, and then a collaborative vote. Streamlines it a little and takes a load off the PA. And makes the GM's think long and hard about their responses. And it can be implemented and used in tiers much like how the OSFA already goes. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 14, 2017 1:44:11 GMT
I think there's always room for improvement, such as, this could be a full time job and this is all I would do all day, and it would actually take all day because everyone else would continually respond back to my continuous responses. BUT, aside from that not being realistic, I feel I've been informing the teams pretty regularly the whole time. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I'm sending 10-15 PMs on average every single night. When someone else is online and they start responding that number can easily jump into the 20s or 30s. I believe I give back at least as much as I receive in terms of information, and frequently find my responses to be longer than the messages sent to me. Not the initial offer of course, those are massive. Anyway, I've had multiple GMs this off-season mention they appreciate the communication and my responses, including at least 2 of the 4 left in the PG sweepstakes. An did any of them reading this want more communication or have questions I believe they all know I'll be straight with them. Even if my answer is "we are still deciding but you're a top 3 consideration at this time", if they want to know, they know If they never message me, it's easy to forget about messaging them back though, to be honest. That's where the whole effort thing comes in here too. Personally, I'd love a 1 and 1 response system. The GM sends in an initial pitch. The PA sends back a list of things to rebut against, and then its decision making time. It wouldn't speed things up, because the PA's would need to think about what the list of things for the GM to rebut would be, and it would be a collaborative effort, and then a collaborative vote. Streamlines it a little and takes a load off the PA. And makes the GM's think long and hard about their responses. And it can be implemented and used in tiers much like how the OSFA already goes. Is there a word count limit in this idea? Would it also not just be the GM with the least questions to answer is the best one? |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 14, 2017 1:50:02 GMT
Personally, I'd love a 1 and 1 response system. The GM sends in an initial pitch. The PA sends back a list of things to rebut against, and then its decision making time. It wouldn't speed things up, because the PA's would need to think about what the list of things for the GM to rebut would be, and it would be a collaborative effort, and then a collaborative vote. Streamlines it a little and takes a load off the PA. And makes the GM's think long and hard about their responses. And it can be implemented and used in tiers much like how the OSFA already goes. Is there a word count limit in this idea? Would it also not just be the GM with the least questions to answer is the best one? Isn't that what it is already? Whichever team has the least questions to answer? In reality, all teams should have about the same issues, then it's which ones are the biggest issues? And which ones are explained the best? Like with me and Durant it was what can be said of Giannis and Durant playing the same position? I did my best to explain that away but in the end, that was very important and it was really that and 3 million short of a max. Where as the Thunder and Wolves they were different questions but they meant less. And does a word count matter if all you have is an open and a reply? Shouldn't it be favored to the ones who make the most good points rather than the ones that make the most points? It would make GMs prepare more, to know that you need to get all points in in two posts is important, more so than having something random to say about the weather that you thought off of hand. |
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