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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 0:52:43 GMT
But this begs the question, are the individual soldiers who kill Iraqi's to blame at all for what they did? We just heap the blame on the politicians. Off course they are just following orders, but shouldn't they be responsible for realizing that they could be killing innocents if they sign up? Shouldn't you weigh the fact that you could be sent to an unjust invasion and kill innocent civilians and combatants who are only defending their country from an invading force?
Do we really absolve them of all responsibility? Shouldn't they think about this shit before they sign up, and therefore not do it?
If you end up killing an innocent person following orders, you are basically a legalized murderer for hire. If you don't end up killing an innocent person you got lucky -- but you still made an immoral choice to take the chance of it happening for your own personal gain.
My opinions on these matters are very unpopular. I don't think even Alex can outdo me here.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 25, 2017 12:09:56 GMT
Hi its US Military Veteran and resident piece of trash Jeremiah Hill. Just gonna lay my big ass manly balls of an opinion on this thread.
A. No one does anything for 14k a year unless its part time or being a welfare baby.
B. I'm all about equality so as long as its not specifically arabs getting killed. I push that button a few times everytime I need a new car. Maybe that's just the small amount of libertarian in me.
This may surprise you but not everyone who joins the military does it for selfish reasons like I want college to be free. That was mine. But people join for all sorts of reasons, family tradition, sense of duty, better than welfare, better than drug dealing, etc.
I only knew one person who joined the military to kill people. They assigned him to handing out towels at the gym. I can only assume he became a murderer or something.
One of the biggest parts about military service members, at least among the lower officers and most enlisted is this thing called accountability. Its preached from the start of basic training.
When you see someone make a mistake killing in the military those people are held responsible. In fact, one of the reasons I am always so hard on cops here in the US is that a military member gets punished harder for say, a DUI than a cop does for killing an unarmed kid.
And you can always count on a military member to be held accountable because there is always someone higher than you that looks bad cause you fucked up. So it falls on people. No prosecuters to protect you.
So when you say we're all just murderers I kind of have to disagree. Military rules of engagement are specifically there to keep us from killing anyone undeserving. This isn't Vietnam. No operation is performed without someone knowing about it.
If you want to criticize the government, by all means literally take shits on your local town hall. I don't care if you are conservative or liberal, both have legitimate gripes and the right is yours to bitch about them.
I would suggest leaving the military out of it. The Americans, Canadians, Aussies, Brits and Kiwis are almost all good guys who are doing the best they can even if some of them individually are dicks.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 25, 2017 12:10:57 GMT
Also on your last comment. There is no rule that you have to follow an unlawful order. If someone tells you to execute a baby you can say no with no reprecussions.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 12:37:28 GMT
Also on your last comment. There is no rule that you have to follow an unlawful order. If someone tells you to execute a baby you can say no with no reprecussions. My point is that enemy combatants -- not just civilians -- in an unjust war are innocent victims as well. Just because Iraqi's are shooting at our people does not make them deserving of death. They are defending their country from an invading force. If we got invaded by another country and they started shooting people here who were just defending their country than I would consider that countries service people to be murderers as well. I took out loans to pay for my college. There are ways to make money that doesn't involve signing up to invade and kill people for profit. The people that join for "family tradition" "a sense of duty" etc are the deluded ones I refer to.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 25, 2017 18:58:24 GMT
Also on your last comment. There is no rule that you have to follow an unlawful order. If someone tells you to execute a baby you can say no with no reprecussions. My point is that enemy combatants -- not just civilians -- in an unjust war are innocent victims as well. Just because Iraqi's are shooting at our people does not make them deserving of death. They are defending their country from an invading force. If we got invaded by another country and they started shooting people here who were just defending their country than I would consider that countries service people to be murderers as well. I took out loans to pay for my college. There are ways to make money that doesn't involve signing up to invade and kill people for profit. The people that join for "family tradition" "a sense of duty" etc are the deluded ones I refer to. You understand that most people in the Military are accountants, human resources and other support positions. And quite frankly being apart of an international corporation. You're just as likely to be supporting awful shit like child labor. Did you see videos of the cobalt mines in the Congo? You know the element that goes into every single cell phone and computer device? I hope you don't use a cell phone or you are indirectly responsible for the death and abuse of innocent children most who are also orphans. Wow, you evil fuck. Truth is tons of awful shit goes on around the world. Most of it is done by civilians and higher ups in the government. People in the military aren't your best target. On a side note if you want people to support your cause, announcing that you hate some of the more respected members of our society is probably the quickest way to not only have them at best ignore you, at worst look at your ideals and go against them because hey, if someone says those things and hates our military they can't be good people.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 19:02:00 GMT
I'm not expecting anyone to agree with me, it's a pretty out there opinion. Frankly I think that the people in the military that think they are doing a good thing and 95% of people in this country that hold them up on pedestals are just brainwashed. Interesting you can be more hated just for having an opinion than for being involved in the killing if Innocents.
I don't see much difference in signing up for the US military in 2017 and signing up for the Roman legion, or Nazi Germany in 1940. We are literally an evil empire and wanting to be a part of that just makes no sense to me. But our culture has brainwashed everyone into thinking being a soldier is the most honorable thing you can do. I wouldn't be surprised if I received death threats just for these posts.
As for your point about buying an iPhone or whatever, that is different. You are at worst, indirectly responsible for immoral actions. In the military the best case scenario is you're only fixing planes that will kill people. Worst case is you actually do it yourself.
Now, of course, the military COULD be honorable, but not ours. Not with what we do. If you joined Switzerlands (or whatever) military it would be respectable. Because they don't invade nation's.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 25, 2017 19:25:17 GMT
I'm not expecting anyone to agree with me, it's a pretty out there opinion. Frankly I think that the people in the military that think they are doing a good thing and 95% of people in this country that hold them up on pedestals are just brainwashed. Interesting you can be more hated just for having an opinion than for being involved in the killing if Innocents. I don't see much difference in signing up for the US military in 2017 and signing up for the Roman legion, or Nazi Germany in 1940. We are literally an evil empire and wanting to be a part of that just makes no sense to me. But our culture has brainwashed everyone into thinking being a soldier is the most honorable thing you can do. I wouldn't be surprised if I received death threats just for these posts. As for your point about buying an iPhone or whatever, that is different. You are at worst, indirectly responsible for immoral actions. In the military the best case scenario is you're only fixing planes that will kill people. Worst case is you actually do it yourself. Now, of course, the military COULD be honorable, but not ours. Not with what we do. If you joined Switzerlands (or whatever) military it would be respectable. Because they don't invade nation's. You can think whatever you want. It doesn't really matter to me. I think if you'd spend some time with a few military folks you'd realize that most are very down to earth about what they are doing and understand what's going on. I will say that the reasoning you've offered for your opinion are kind of dumb. I'll address them when I get to a computer cause I'm not typing on my phone.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 19:37:52 GMT
I'm not expecting anyone to agree with me, it's a pretty out there opinion. Frankly I think that the people in the military that think they are doing a good thing and 95% of people in this country that hold them up on pedestals are just brainwashed. Interesting you can be more hated just for having an opinion than for being involved in the killing if Innocents. I don't see much difference in signing up for the US military in 2017 and signing up for the Roman legion, or Nazi Germany in 1940. We are literally an evil empire and wanting to be a part of that just makes no sense to me. But our culture has brainwashed everyone into thinking being a soldier is the most honorable thing you can do. I wouldn't be surprised if I received death threats just for these posts. As for your point about buying an iPhone or whatever, that is different. You are at worst, indirectly responsible for immoral actions. In the military the best case scenario is you're only fixing planes that will kill people. Worst case is you actually do it yourself. Now, of course, the military COULD be honorable, but not ours. Not with what we do. If you joined Switzerlands (or whatever) military it would be respectable. Because they don't invade nation's. You can think whatever you want. It doesn't really matter to me. I think if you'd spend some time with a few military folks you'd realize that most are very down to earth about what they are doing and understand what's going on. I will say that the reasoning you've offered for your opinion are kind of dumb. I'll address them when I get to a computer cause I'm not typing on my phone. Yeah I think my point is that the things that the military claims to do and advertises (like saving people's lives and defending the innocent) is a small part of what they do. Given the chance that instead of rescuing some civilians you'll instead be invading a country, I don't think you can really rationalize that. The military has the capability to be upstanding, honorable, and protectors of Innocents. I'm sure that's what most soldiers want to be doing, and it's what some of them do. But because our country habitually invades other countries it's not honorable to join our military. Seems simple to me. P.S. I will apologise for using the word "trash", it is too strong a word for my feelings and was in response to the horrible article I had just read, and was directed towards the types that join to kill.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 23:40:14 GMT
Civilians just died in an American airstrike. Do the people who carried out that order not share some of the blame for choosing to work that job even though they knew that was a possibility? nyti.ms/2ohbX4WI would say, yes, they are to blame somewhat for making the choice to choose compensation to do a job where this result was possible. I don't see how that seems so unreasonable to everyone else. Pick a job or take a loan so you don't have to take a chance to bomb innocent people. They exist everywhere. But people choose to take the chance, and they should accept the blame for something like this just as much as the guy that gave the order to do it. I'll never have innocent blood on my hands, because I will never sign up for a job where I might have to kill an innocent person. It's just so flabbergasting to me that this viewpoint isn't much more common. Pretty sure it's due to all the brainwashing.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 25, 2017 23:47:11 GMT
Civilians just died in an American airstrike. Do the people who carried out that order not share some of the blame for choosing to work that job even though they knew that was a possibility? nyti.ms/2ohbX4WI would say, yes, they are to blame somewhat for making the choice to choose compensation to do a job where this result was possible. I don't see how that seems so unreasonable to everyone else. Pick a job or take a loan so you don't have to take a chance to bomb innocent people. They exist everywhere. But people choose to take the chance, and they should accept the blame for something like this just as much as the guy that gave the order to do it. I'll never have innocent blood on my hands, nor will I sign up for a job where I might have to kill an innocent person. It's just so flabbergasting to me that this viewpoint isn't much more common. Pretty sure it's due to all the brainwashing. And if you can't get a loan or qualify for a job that wouldn't keep you in poverty?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 23:50:12 GMT
Civilians just died in an American airstrike. Do the people who carried out that order not share some of the blame for choosing to work that job even though they knew that was a possibility? nyti.ms/2ohbX4WI would say, yes, they are to blame somewhat for making the choice to choose compensation to do a job where this result was possible. I don't see how that seems so unreasonable to everyone else. Pick a job or take a loan so you don't have to take a chance to bomb innocent people. They exist everywhere. But people choose to take the chance, and they should accept the blame for something like this just as much as the guy that gave the order to do it. I'll never have innocent blood on my hands, nor will I sign up for a job where I might have to kill an innocent person. It's just so flabbergasting to me that this viewpoint isn't much more common. Pretty sure it's due to all the brainwashing. And if you can't get a loan or qualify for a job that wouldn't keep you in poverty? Is escaping poverty a valid enough reason to you to take the chance that you might fly the drone or shoot the gun that kills someone that shouldn't be killed? I guess that's a question for each person to weigh... To me though if you did weigh that question and decided that it was worth it you might have some morality issues.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 26, 2017 0:07:11 GMT
And if you can't get a loan or qualify for a job that wouldn't keep you in poverty? Is escaping poverty a valid enough reason to you to take the chance that you might fly the drone or shoot the gun that kills someone that shouldn't be killed? I guess that's a question for each person to weigh... To me though if you did weigh that question and decided that it was worth it you might have some morality issues. I don't know. Please go try being homeless and hungry and let me know what you would do to get out of that situation. I will be here waiting to hear your findings.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 0:18:22 GMT
Is escaping poverty a valid enough reason to you to take the chance that you might fly the drone or shoot the gun that kills someone that shouldn't be killed? I guess that's a question for each person to weigh... To me though if you did weigh that question and decided that it was worth it you might have some morality issues. I don't know. Please go try being homeless and hungry and let me know what you would do to get out of that situation. I will be here waiting to hear your findings. 1) This argument really only applies to the absolutely poorest of the poor, of which most people who join the military are not. 2) I'd rather a homeless person steal food from a store and squat in an abandoned house than join the military.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 26, 2017 5:33:26 GMT
Civilians just died in an American airstrike. Do the people who carried out that order not share some of the blame for choosing to work that job even though they knew that was a possibility? nyti.ms/2ohbX4WI would say, yes, they are to blame somewhat for making the choice to choose compensation to do a job where this result was possible. I don't see how that seems so unreasonable to everyone else. Pick a job or take a loan so you don't have to take a chance to bomb innocent people. They exist everywhere. But people choose to take the chance, and they should accept the blame for something like this just as much as the guy that gave the order to do it. I'll never have innocent blood on my hands, because I will never sign up for a job where I might have to kill an innocent person. It's just so flabbergasting to me that this viewpoint isn't much more common. Pretty sure it's due to all the brainwashing. Just gonna start from this particular message cause there is too much to go back through. One, you really should read the articles you use to support your arguments. This is a huge issue on both the left and right side of the spectrum. People get big ole erections about headlines but fail to read that the body of the article either directly refutes or at the very least shows that the headline is VERY misleading in terms of the actual situation. For one, a bunch of civilians died. Correct. However this was days after airstrikes. They are trying to figure out whether it was the airstrikes or some other thing that caused the collapse of the building. Now it maybe did, maybe didn't, this isn't the first time in Iraqi history that a town has been bombed to shit. There could have been a car bomb that went off there, and then the force of the nearby air strikes caused after a few days. An enemy combatant could have been part of it. The battle of Mosul has been going on since October, targets near it could have been hit, causing enemies to flee and then it was repopulated with civilians afterwords and then tragically the building collapsed. What the headline says is that Coalition troops bombed the fuck out of a civilian target. Which isn't true at all. It's just as likely that the Taliban which are Sunni Muslims hit a Shia civilian building. Two, we've already established that you have innocent blood on your hands. You use electronics otherwise you wouldn't be on this website. Well Documented Instances of Electronics Factory Workers Committing SuicideCobalt Mines in the Congo which makes up a ton of our ElectronicsThere are hundreds of other instances where merely using goods where materials are pulled from other countries puts blood on your hands. You are not innocent. You are equally responsible. "Yeah I think my point is that the things that the military claims to do and advertises (like saving people's lives and defending the innocent) is a small part of what they do. Given the chance that instead of rescuing some civilians you'll instead be invading a country, I don't think you can really rationalize that. The military has the capability to be upstanding, honorable, and protectors of Innocents. I'm sure that's what most soldiers want to be doing, and it's what some of them do. But because our country habitually invades other countries it's not honorable to join our military. " You do understand that the military does not operate autonomously right? Not even the highest general can order us to invade somewhere. It is solely on the President and Congress to make that decision. There is a quote from the show MASH which was set in the Vietnam War. The exchange goes like this: Hawkeye: War isn't Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse. Father Mulcahy: How do you figure, Hawkeye? Hawkeye: Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell? Father Mulcahy: Sinners, I believe. Hawkeye: Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them - little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander. Rich old people, liberals, conservatives, moderates, insert any other random type of political leaning votes to send people to war. If you join the military and someone sends you to war, what are you gonna do. Just let someone kill you? And furthermore, most military people know that the original Iraq war was bullshit. But it is a fact that there was a mass genocide going on there under Saddam Hussein. We did and are currently saving people. If you want to be against any military force, how about the ones that actively targets civilians and innocents? You know, the people who hide in hospitals and churches and schools? Every civilian lost is a tragedy, but lets not act like it our military going over there and killing women and children. They hide behind them and we've done our best to try and help and protect them. And when I say we, I mean members of the military who actually end up supporting these operations. And another thing, the military goes out of its way to avoid killing anyone. There is this thing that is taught to all service members whether they are combat jobs or not. It's called the Rules of Engagement this paired with the Geneva Conventions stops the crazy murder fest that you seem to think that our military signs up for. Believe me, if we were able to just go over there and mow everyone down this shit would have been over in a year. If you want to talk shit about murderers you only need to look up the US Declarations of War and the voting records. The Afghanistan war was enacted with only one vote of NO (Bernie) in the House of Representatives, that means every single politician Republican, Democrat, Independent except for 1 has that blood on their hands. When you see the look in the eyes of the medic who cared for a 6 year old who's father had implanted an explosive into his lower abdomen and pushed him over the barrier fence of a compound while the bomb was STILL in the kid he couldn't save, then you can talk to me about who cares about what they are doing and who should be the target of your ridicule.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 16:45:42 GMT
Alright man, I guess you just don't get it. Most people don't. I buy my phones 2nd hand and my laptop and desktop parts all come from Taiwan where workers rights are taken more seriously than here.
I'm not gonna argue anymore, it obviously makes people really emotional, and the arguments you use don't even really address my point of blame. The president is to blame for wars, and so is Congress, but so is the guy that says "yes sir". Unless you're drafted or some other crazy circumstances where you have literally no choice. But I'm gonna drop this now, it isn't gonna do me any favors to continue to solicit my viewpoint.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Mar 26, 2017 17:01:26 GMT
Just because someone is in the military doesn't mean they automatically deserve blame for killing innocent people. My dad was a dentist in the Army. He went as part of a peacekeeping mission to Bosnia during their civil war and fixed people's teeth. He lived in Guantanamo Bay for a year and did dental work for prisoners. Does he deserve blame for civilians dying in Iraq? Making these vast generalizations about a huge body of people is never healthy. Do me and you deserve blame for paying taxes? We are the ones funding the military, after all. If you are spreading guilt to the entire military, then you have to spread guilt to the ones who fund it as well.
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Post by Vlade Divac on Mar 26, 2017 17:09:37 GMT
But this begs the question, are the individual soldiers who kill Iraqi's to blame at all for what they did? We just heap the blame on the politicians. Off course they are just following orders, but shouldn't they be responsible for realizing that they could be killing innocents if they sign up? Shouldn't you weigh the fact that you could be sent to an unjust invasion and kill innocent civilians and combatants who are only defending their country from an invading force? Do we really absolve them of all responsibility? Shouldn't they think about this shit before they sign up, and therefore not do it? If you end up killing an innocent person following orders, you are basically a legalized murderer for hire. If you don't end up killing an innocent person you got lucky -- but you still made an immoral choice to take the chance of it happening for your own personal gain. My opinions on these matters are very unpopular. I don't think even Alex can outdo me here. You are an idiot and would be dead without the military.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 17:10:28 GMT
But this begs the question, are the individual soldiers who kill Iraqi's to blame at all for what they did? We just heap the blame on the politicians. Off course they are just following orders, but shouldn't they be responsible for realizing that they could be killing innocents if they sign up? Shouldn't you weigh the fact that you could be sent to an unjust invasion and kill innocent civilians and combatants who are only defending their country from an invading force? Do we really absolve them of all responsibility? Shouldn't they think about this shit before they sign up, and therefore not do it? If you end up killing an innocent person following orders, you are basically a legalized murderer for hire. If you don't end up killing an innocent person you got lucky -- but you still made an immoral choice to take the chance of it happening for your own personal gain. My opinions on these matters are very unpopular. I don't think even Alex can outdo me here. You are an idiot and would be dead without the military. I would join it if someone invaded our country. You know, a just reason to kill. Even then the people I'd be killing I'd still consider them innocent enough to not deserve capital punishment, though still blameworthy for joining the Chinese invasion army or whoever is invading us. Just like anyone who joined the US military while we were invading other countries. I don't think our soldiers deserve to die or whatever, but I do believe it is immoral to join an army that is unjustly invading other nations.
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Post by Vlade Divac on Mar 27, 2017 1:03:03 GMT
I would join it if someone invaded our country. You know, a just reason to kill. Even then the people I'd be killing I'd still consider them innocent enough to not deserve capital punishment, though still blameworthy for joining the Chinese invasion army or whoever is invading us. Just like anyone who joined the US military while we were invading other countries. I don't think our soldiers deserve to die or whatever, but I do believe it is immoral to join an army that is unjustly invading other nations. Spare me your philosophy crap! Who decides what is just and unjust? Oh, and there is that pesky practical fact that no country can survive without a military.
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Post by Vlade Divac on Mar 27, 2017 1:05:26 GMT
You are delusional. So the people in S. Korea that a ready to die to protect S. Korea are in it for corporate profits? Are you that naïve to think this? I guess John Kerry, Jon McCain and all other politicians democrat or republican are terrible people. You literally think everyone the joins the military wants to kill people? Come on man. It doesn't have to do with "want". Or anything like that. It has to do with giving up your ability to be a moral agent. The fact is if president Trump decides we need to go to some country and kill a bunch of people that don't need killed it's the soldiers job to do it. They don't have a say in it. Sure, you can get ordered to kill someone that needs killed, or fight in a war that needs fighting, but you can also get ordered to do evil shit. Soldiers have PTSD cause they went to a country they shouldn't have and killed people they shouldn't have. If you're willing to swear an oath to kill people just because a politician tells you to, and you're doing it for 14k which could be had at any minimum wage job you got some serious issues. Or, as I've said, they are probably deluded. Fucking nationalism and putting soldiers on pedestals keeps training kids to think there is glory in war and killing. I guess we know who your favorite Star Wars character is!
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 27, 2017 5:27:07 GMT
People who are willing to kill people for free food and 14k a year are trash. I don't even care how unpopular of a statement that is. People who join the military are deluded at best and trash at worst. No one in the US Military makes 14k with free food. Its more like 25k + several thousand for housing + free healthcare for your family + education benefits + VA Home Loans + VA Benefits after service. We all know that some minimum wage job doesn't offer healthcare and for guys with babies on the way or who want to start a family this is a great way to do that. On the job training, not a lot of companies will hire you, train you to be an accountant or a mechanic. Military will. So this theory that people are signing up to kill people for what equates to a minimum wage job is ridiculous. You get untold amounts of benefits from job skills and experience. Also, its not that we don't understand what you are saying. I understand fully what you're opinion is, I just do not thing your justification for that opinion is valid or based in fact. Making your opinion stupid. In the same way I think people who still support Trump making justifications for him are not based in fact making their opinion stupid is why I think your opinion is dumb. You absolve yourself of all responsibility (I get all my electronics from Taiwan manufacturers, pfft yeah OK) while blaming a small group of people for all the evil in the world. The world is a horrible, sick, violent, aweful place run by greedy shit bags, lying politicians and violent doctators. Directing your hate so low on the totem is no different than Republicans blaming poor people for a bad economy.
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Post by Alex English on Apr 2, 2017 19:50:18 GMT
All of you Americans need to get ready for this: Trump is starting to go after net neutrality. www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/technology/net-neutrality.html?_r=0Any idea that Trump isn't just a corporate shill looking to enrich himself and his sponsors should be gone. I hope Trump takes a big hit from this though, a lot of his own supporters are pro-net neutrality and even they can only be pushed so far before they start to open their eyes and get angry too.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Apr 2, 2017 20:18:45 GMT
100% against this. Trump can fuck off on this one.
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 2, 2017 21:36:43 GMT
I'm seeing 4/5 odds on Trump leaving via impeachment by end of year, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 0:49:30 GMT
Didn't really want to bump this thread, but I wanted to apologize to all our service members who may have read some of the distasteful shit-tier comments I wrote here. I fully regret them and will be leaving a greenlight on for you.
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Post by Alex English on Nov 13, 2017 4:46:35 GMT
Here's a great podcast with Sebastian Junger about community, war and psychology that obviously turns political. I think it's a great explanation on some of the ways about how fucked up things are in America right now. I think tossing out the political rhetoric and having more discussions like this is how we get back on the path toward a positive society. It's 2 hours long but you should listen to it.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Nov 20, 2017 15:55:25 GMT
I know this is pretty irrelevant to everything but there's no where else I can't talk about this without getting brigaded by blinded liberals. www.cnn.com/2017/11/20/politics/al-franken-inappropriate-touch-2010/index.htmlAl Franken is such a god damn scumbag. 2nd accusation of groping already, I'm sure more will come out. And dems on twitter and reddit are already frantically rushing to defend him. They already tried victim blaming Tweeden, the 1st accuser, because she was a playboy model and a republican (I guess that means she couldn't have been assaulted for some reason) and now I've seen people arguing that grabbing someone's Butt without consent isn't a big deal with Franken apologizing for"Making her feel bad" aka a non-apology apology. Or that because the woman is smiling in the photo, she must be lying. This is from the party that claims the mantle of women's rights yet they mercilessly victim blame and attack every accuser that comes out against a dem politician, same thing happened with Bill Clinton. This is where they fuck up every year and lose elections. They hold onto these corrupt, gross idiots like Franken, Clinton and Bob Menendez and give moderates more ammo to say oh both sides are the same morally, so I'll just vote for the side that'll lower taxes. People who aren't blinded by partisanship see the validity of the accusations against Franken, this would be such a boneheaded move for them to try and keep this sexual predator in the senate. But then again this is the party that lost the presidency to an orange cheeto so who knows the lengths of their incompetence.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 16:07:30 GMT
I know this is pretty irrelevant to everything but there's no where else I can't talk about this without getting brigaded by blinded liberals. www.cnn.com/2017/11/20/politics/al-franken-inappropriate-touch-2010/index.htmlAl Franken is such a god damn scumbag. 2nd accusation of groping already, I'm sure more will come out. And dems on twitter and reddit are already frantically rushing to defend him. They already tried victim blaming Tweeden, the 1st accuser, because she was a playboy model and a republican (I guess that means she couldn't have been assaulted for some reason) and now I've seen people arguing that grabbing someone's Butt without consent isn't a big deal with Franken apologizing for"Making her feel bad" aka a non-apology apology. Or that because the woman is smiling in the photo, she must be lying. This is from the party that claims the mantle of women's rights yet they mercilessly victim blame and attack every accuser that comes out against a dem politician, same thing happened with Bill Clinton. This is where they fuck up every year and lose elections. They hold onto these corrupt, gross idiots like Franken, Clinton and Bob Menendez and give moderates more ammo to say oh both sides are the same morally, so I'll just vote for the side that'll lower taxes. People who aren't blinded by partisanship see the validity of the accusations against Franken, this would be such a boneheaded move for them to try and keep this sexual predator in the senate. But then again this is the party that lost the presidency to an orange cheeto so who knows the lengths of their incompetence. many democrats have come out against al franken, there will always be dipshits on both sides of the aisle
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Nov 20, 2017 16:14:28 GMT
I know this is pretty irrelevant to everything but there's no where else I can't talk about this without getting brigaded by blinded liberals. www.cnn.com/2017/11/20/politics/al-franken-inappropriate-touch-2010/index.htmlAl Franken is such a god damn scumbag. 2nd accusation of groping already, I'm sure more will come out. And dems on twitter and reddit are already frantically rushing to defend him. They already tried victim blaming Tweeden, the 1st accuser, because she was a playboy model and a republican (I guess that means she couldn't have been assaulted for some reason) and now I've seen people arguing that grabbing someone's Butt without consent isn't a big deal with Franken apologizing for"Making her feel bad" aka a non-apology apology. Or that because the woman is smiling in the photo, she must be lying. This is from the party that claims the mantle of women's rights yet they mercilessly victim blame and attack every accuser that comes out against a dem politician, same thing happened with Bill Clinton. This is where they fuck up every year and lose elections. They hold onto these corrupt, gross idiots like Franken, Clinton and Bob Menendez and give moderates more ammo to say oh both sides are the same morally, so I'll just vote for the side that'll lower taxes. People who aren't blinded by partisanship see the validity of the accusations against Franken, this would be such a boneheaded move for them to try and keep this sexual predator in the senate. But then again this is the party that lost the presidency to an orange cheeto so who knows the lengths of their incompetence. many democrats have come out against al franken, there will always be dipshits on both sides of the aisle I admit many level headed people have but check the twitter comments under the Franken story or the reddit comments in the non-conservative subreddits. More people than not are defending him. Also no Dem has called for him to resign. All other statements are meaningless except that. I'm not trying to paint all liberals with the same brush, I'm more liberal than not. Just the hypocrites that are continuing to defend him, which is way more people than I was expecting.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 16:18:24 GMT
many democrats have come out against al franken, there will always be dipshits on both sides of the aisle I admit many level headed people have but check the twitter comments under the Franken story or the reddit comments in the non-conservative subreddits. More people than not are defending him. Also no Dem has called for him to resign. All other statements are meaningless except that. I'm not trying to paint all liberals with the same brush, I'm more liberal than not. Just the hypocrites that are continuing to defend him, which is way more people than I was expecting. I'd stop reading "comments" on anything to read how most people feel. Have you ever noticed the huge gulf in sentiment between internet comments and talking to people in real life? Those people are the dumbest of the dumb. Read a couple comment sections on Fox news if you wanna feel better about liberals.
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