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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Nov 20, 2017 16:27:02 GMT
I admit many level headed people have but check the twitter comments under the Franken story or the reddit comments in the non-conservative subreddits. More people than not are defending him. Also no Dem has called for him to resign. All other statements are meaningless except that. I'm not trying to paint all liberals with the same brush, I'm more liberal than not. Just the hypocrites that are continuing to defend him, which is way more people than I was expecting. I'd stop reading "comments" on anything to read how most people feel. Have you ever noticed the huge gulf in sentiment between internet comments and talking to people in real life? Those people are the dumbest of the dumb. Read a couple comment sections on Fox news if you wanna feel better about liberals. I hope you're right and i'm just reading into internet trolls too much but I fear this attitude is widespread and dems won't demand Franken's resignation. That would be such an idiotic self inflicted wound on the party and paint them as even more elitist and corrupt then people think they already are
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Post by Ian Noble on Nov 20, 2017 16:31:34 GMT
Both parties in America are extreme right wing by international standards, which means they prioiritise profits > people, so it shouldn't be a surprise to see them treating other humans poorly on a personal level as well as via politics.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Nov 20, 2017 18:15:42 GMT
I'd stop reading "comments" on anything to read how most people feel. Have you ever noticed the huge gulf in sentiment between internet comments and talking to people in real life? Those people are the dumbest of the dumb. Read a couple comment sections on Fox news if you wanna feel better about liberals. I hope you're right and i'm just reading into internet trolls too much but I fear this attitude is widespread and dems won't demand Franken's resignation. That would be such an idiotic self inflicted wound on the party and paint them as even more elitist and corrupt then people think they already are The lady who accused Franken is a Fox News propaganda girl. The photos of her slapping asses and making out with random dudes have just been released as well as those of her hugging dudes with her legs wrapped around them. He's actually calling for an ethics check on himself which is kind of surprising and leads me to believe that this is all bullshit. She's even been backpedalling on twitter now these new photos have surfaced and the story from his military escort has come out. Fox News brought this up to distract from the fact that conservatives are trying to elect a guy who rapes 13 year old girls and another anti-gay republican got caught cornholing a guy in his office.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Nov 20, 2017 19:47:32 GMT
I hope you're right and i'm just reading into internet trolls too much but I fear this attitude is widespread and dems won't demand Franken's resignation. That would be such an idiotic self inflicted wound on the party and paint them as even more elitist and corrupt then people think they already are The lady who accused Franken is a Fox News propaganda girl. The photos of her slapping asses and making out with random dudes have just been released as well as those of her hugging dudes with her legs wrapped around them. He's actually calling for an ethics check on himself which is kind of surprising and leads me to believe that this is all bullshit. She's even been backpedalling on twitter now these new photos have surfaced and the story from his military escort has come out. Fox News brought this up to distract from the fact that conservatives are trying to elect a guy who rapes 13 year old girls and another anti-gay republican got caught cornholing a guy in his office. See Billy I told you people are still trying to defend this scumbag. So is the other lady lying as well Jeremiah? Can Republicans not be sexually harassed/assaulted? Don't be blinded by partisanship.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Nov 20, 2017 20:18:35 GMT
The lady who accused Franken is a Fox News propaganda girl. The photos of her slapping asses and making out with random dudes have just been released as well as those of her hugging dudes with her legs wrapped around them. He's actually calling for an ethics check on himself which is kind of surprising and leads me to believe that this is all bullshit. She's even been backpedalling on twitter now these new photos have surfaced and the story from his military escort has come out. Fox News brought this up to distract from the fact that conservatives are trying to elect a guy who rapes 13 year old girls and another anti-gay republican got caught cornholing a guy in his office. See Billy I told you people are still trying to defend this scumbag. So is the other lady lying as well Jeremiah? Can Republicans not be sexually harassed/assaulted? Don't be blinded by partisanship. Ray Charles has 20/20 vision compared to Jeremiah's political perspectives.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Nov 20, 2017 22:47:56 GMT
The lady who accused Franken is a Fox News propaganda girl. The photos of her slapping asses and making out with random dudes have just been released as well as those of her hugging dudes with her legs wrapped around them. He's actually calling for an ethics check on himself which is kind of surprising and leads me to believe that this is all bullshit. She's even been backpedalling on twitter now these new photos have surfaced and the story from his military escort has come out. Fox News brought this up to distract from the fact that conservatives are trying to elect a guy who rapes 13 year old girls and another anti-gay republican got caught cornholing a guy in his office. See Billy I told you people are still trying to defend this scumbag. So is the other lady lying as well Jeremiah? Can Republicans not be sexually harassed/assaulted? Don't be blinded by partisanship. I'm just saying, him asking for an ethics investigation on himself makes me take a step back. We just gonna let every little allegation ruin someone's career without even looking into things first? I see some other rando came forward so maybe there is a bit more to it. Eh fuck it, get rid of him.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Nov 20, 2017 22:50:02 GMT
See Billy I told you people are still trying to defend this scumbag. So is the other lady lying as well Jeremiah? Can Republicans not be sexually harassed/assaulted? Don't be blinded by partisanship. Ray Charles has 20/20 vision compared to Jeremiah's political perspectives. Shut the fuck up Kevin. Unlike you I consider where my information comes from and the timing of it. As I get more information I adjust my opinion.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Nov 20, 2017 23:11:52 GMT
And while we're on the topic of hypocrisy, remember who republicans voted into the White House
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Nov 20, 2017 23:29:15 GMT
See Billy I told you people are still trying to defend this scumbag. So is the other lady lying as well Jeremiah? Can Republicans not be sexually harassed/assaulted? Don't be blinded by partisanship. I'm just saying, him asking for an ethics investigation on himself makes me take a step back. We just gonna let every little allegation ruin someone's career without even looking into things first? I see some other rando came forward so maybe there is a bit more to it. Eh fuck it, get rid of him. I can see why you'd think that but the congressional ethics system is a complete sham. No member has faced sanctions for the last 10 years, its just a way to sweep things under the rug. Franken and all other congress people calling for this pseudo-probe makes me even more sure he's guilty Source: www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/02/04/senate-ethics-panel-has-issued-no-punishments-9-years/79704196/
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Nov 21, 2017 0:58:54 GMT
Ray Charles has 20/20 vision compared to Jeremiah's political perspectives. Shut the fuck up Kevin. Unlike you I consider where my information comes from and the timing of it. As I get more information I adjust my opinion. "Adjust" as in try to find some random post on the deep web to support your argument or deflect and cry republican incidents just not to agree with someone that is more likely than not correct? I'll agree on that one. Unlike me? I have admitted that Trump is terrible numerous times now and I have admitted that I voted wrong (though I wouldn't have voted for Hilary, just not voted). What more do you want me to do? Let me take some PTO and head down to D.C. and hold a big sign up in the air that says "I voted wrongly". Multiple people have called your blatant stubborn arguments out many times now and you deflect every time rather than just say, "Yeah, you're right". You are honestly the staple of why nothing can get done in this country, "my way or no way".
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Nov 21, 2017 1:00:39 GMT
And while we're on the topic of hypocrisy, remember who republicans voted into the White House Who is being a hypocrite? No one. I think you get so mad sometimes you don't even know what you are saying, but rather just try to insult or argue with someone.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 1:05:13 GMT
reading these posts is like reading the comment section
0/10
give me my life back
where is a good ol' vlade-quits thread when we need one
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Nov 21, 2017 1:35:36 GMT
Shut the fuck up Kevin. Unlike you I consider where my information comes from and the timing of it. As I get more information I adjust my opinion. "Adjust" as in try to find some random post on the deep web to support your argument or deflect and cry republican incidents just not to agree with someone that is more likely than not correct? I'll agree on that one. Unlike me? I have admitted that Trump is terrible numerous times now and I have admitted that I voted wrong (though I wouldn't have voted for Hilary, just not voted). What more do you want me to do? Let me take some PTO and head down to D.C. and hold a big sign up in the air that says "I voted wrongly". Multiple people have called your blatant stubborn arguments out many times now and you deflect every time rather than just say, "Yeah, you're right". You are honestly the staple of why nothing can get done in this country, "my way or no way". I don't know where the hell your deep web shit is coming from, I didn't realize that someone else had said he was grab assing, I then adjusted my opinion on it. Usually if someone is a pervo there is more than one instance. It wouldn't surprise me if more ladies come out of the woodwork now. Its why I don't have any problem believing Cosby or Clinton or Trump, that guy from Alabama are all creeps of varying scale. This fuckin dickhead as well. Is he a Cosby? No, is he a pervy old dude with a lack of respect for boundries? Yeah. Should someone who doesn't understand that be in our government? No. I predicted that this new movement to oust serial harrassers would be quite bi-partisan (at least congress can agree on something). I will say that I have no regrets on my initial skepticism given the initial source and timing and I think we can at least agree that its kinda weird. Even the other story is kinda meh and could be a misunderstanding as well. I'm not about blaming the victim but I'm interested to see if anyone else comes forward with more accusations.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Nov 21, 2017 1:37:39 GMT
Shut the fuck up Kevin. Unlike you I consider where my information comes from and the timing of it. As I get more information I adjust my opinion. "Adjust" as in try to find some random post on the deep web to support your argument or deflect and cry republican incidents just not to agree with someone that is more likely than not correct? I'll agree on that one. Unlike me? I have admitted that Trump is terrible numerous times now and I have admitted that I voted wrong (though I wouldn't have voted for Hilary, just not voted). What more do you want me to do? Let me take some PTO and head down to D.C. and hold a big sign up in the air that says "I voted wrongly". Multiple people have called your blatant stubborn arguments out many times now and you deflect every time rather than just say, "Yeah, you're right". You are honestly the staple of why nothing can get done in this country, "my way or no way". Also first you insult me and then I tell you to shut up and you wanna cry about it. Grow up.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Nov 22, 2017 6:11:56 GMT
In lighter, non-political news, I found this and thought it was hilarious.
Really don't know why I thought that was so funny. Just random.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Nov 26, 2017 18:13:27 GMT
This is probably a bad idea to start this up again but I'm just exploding with rage at this news.
Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi has said Rep John Conyers should not resign after it was revealed he paid out a sexual harassment claim after he fired a woman who rejected him.
This is truly incredible. Somehow the democrats have managed to become the party the condones and even supports sexual harassment. Their incompetence is truly astounding.
Saying that because Conyers is an icon he shouldn't step down and there should be a meaningless ethics investigation, no congressman has faced a sanction in a decade from this, is such a bad look.
It's pretty much the dem version of the Trump pussy tape. If you're an icon and a liberal sexually harass who ever you want we don't care.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Republicans held onto the house and senate and Trump got another term. It's almost like the democrats are trying to lose
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Post by Alex English on Nov 26, 2017 18:50:06 GMT
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Republicans held onto the house and senate and Trump got another term. It's almost like the democrats are trying to lose The Republicans are way worse on this point though. Trump himself is a sexual abuser, he's also simultaneously supporting Roy Moore while trying to score political points by attacking guys like Al Franken. What does it say if both parties are guilty but only the democrats face repercussions as a result of their behaviour? It's probably not surprising to anyone that Trump and republican voters care less about sexual harassment than democrat voters do, but as a result, now we have this situation where the right can do whatever they want and just be evil because the voters will let them get away with it while the left tears itself apart. This is like some classic divide and conquer shit where the republicans try and instigate a witch hunt within the other side. Then all their greedy and corrupt friends claim even more power for themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2017 18:53:18 GMT
It sucks that Democrats have to have standards to get elected and Republicans can just say they hate abortion and win in droves while fucking everyone on every other position.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Nov 26, 2017 19:05:14 GMT
Didn't you guys learn in 2016 that saying both sides are bad but Republicans are way worse isn't a winning electoral strategy? Complain all you want about how unfair it is but that's the reality. You can whine and lose elections or just toss out the scumbags and try some semblance of integrity. Al Franken and John Conyers are far from indispensable. Any rational, non-corrupt personal should be able to see that it's in the party's best interest to dump them
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Post by Alex English on Nov 26, 2017 19:57:21 GMT
Didn't you guys learn in 2016 that saying both sides are bad but Republicans are way worse isn't a winning electoral strategy? Complain all you want about how unfair it is but that's the reality. You can whine and lose elections or just toss out the scumbags and try some semblance of integrity. Al Franken and John Conyers are far from indispensable. Any rational, non-corrupt personal should be able to see that it's in the party's best interest to dump them Yes in the long run it is better. As a newer generation comes of voting age they will lean hard toward the democrats if they have some integrity while the republicans are just a party of scumbags. But what about in the mean time? You want to just hand all of the power to Trump and friends for the foreseeable future? There is no black and white in politics (or anywhere else for that matter), it's all just grey, and the dark shade of grey douchebags on the right will use your black vs white ideology against you. If you want a political party that is purely white, then you'll end up with nobody after tossing more and more people out for making any kind of misstep. You've got to be pragmatic sometimes because the world is a messy place. Let's learn from Ned Stark and not be blinded by some sense of purity and honour
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Nov 26, 2017 20:13:38 GMT
This is probably a bad idea to start this up again but I'm just exploding with rage at this news. Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi has said Rep John Conyers should not resign after it was revealed he paid out a sexual harassment claim after he fired a woman who rejected him. This is truly incredible. Somehow the democrats have managed to become the party the condones and even supports sexual harassment. Their incompetence is truly astounding. Saying that because Conyers is an icon he shouldn't step down and there should be a meaningless ethics investigation, no congressman has faced a sanction in a decade from this, is such a bad look. It's pretty much the dem version of the Trump pussy tape. If you're an icon and a liberal sexually harass who ever you want we don't care. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Republicans held onto the house and senate and Trump got another term. It's almost like the democrats are trying to lose There's a big difference between being a sexual predator / pedophile (Moore) and allegedly sliding your hand down a women's back and grabbing her ass (Franken). I'm not saying it's ok, I'm just saying there's a big difference. Don't expect Democrats to resign while pedophile, sexual assaulter Republicans are winning. It didn't win us the white house, it surely won't help us now.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Nov 26, 2017 20:16:33 GMT
I'd actually be fine with a party that didn't sexually harass women. Not a huge ask, there are over 300 million people in the US. I'm sure we can find 500 or so who aren't predators.
I refuse to vote for a sexual predator, full stop. This is part of why I didn't vote for Trump and will be why I don't vote for any Democrat who commits sexual harassment. I'm sure there are many voters who feel the same as I do. The democrats will ignore us at their own peril
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Post by Alex English on Nov 26, 2017 20:48:33 GMT
There's a big difference between being a sexual predator / pedophile (Moore) and allegedly sliding your hand down a women's back and grabbing her ass (Franken). I'm not saying it's ok, I'm just saying there's a big difference. Don't expect Democrats to resign while pedophile, sexual assaulter Republicans are winning. It didn't win us the white house, it surely won't help us now. Yeah this is another point and it's difficult to have this conversation without being dismissed as a misogynist or something, but shouldn't the punishment match the crime? There's a little bit of witch hunting going on right now with these allegations. It's a very good thing for victims to feel comfortable coming forward, whether you're a no name aspiring actress, or Terry Crews, or anyone else, however we still live in a society where you're innocent until proven guilty, and the punishment should match the crime. It seems like Louis CK has gotten as much backlash as Harvey Weinstein, Franken as much backlash as Roy Moore, etc. Their actions are very different though. I'm not sure Louis CK even committed a crime based on what I understand of his situation. He didn't touch another person and manipulated his way into consensually jacking off in front of women. He's more of a pervert than a predator. No, I obviously don't think any of these people are behaving in a way that's acceptable, but a groper and a rapist are two very different things, yet they both seem to get equal vitriol with people who want both their lives ruined to the same degree too. This society will give murderers a second chance, but if you grope someone you should be banished for life? Pragmatism and fairness is not weakness, and if we're going to live in an equal society then those who do wrong deserve fairness just the same as everyone else. The far left makes me very uneasy sometimes with their extreme social justice ideology. We'll just rip each other apart going down that road, not learn to come together. Again, it's not white vs black, good vs evil. We're all capable of both good and bad things. We're all human.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Nov 26, 2017 20:53:11 GMT
The far left makes me very uneasy sometimes with their extreme social justice ideology. We'll just rip each other apart going down that road, not learn to come together. Again, it's not white vs black, good vs evil. We're all capable of both good and bad things. We're all human. ^^
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Nov 26, 2017 21:28:09 GMT
Roy Moore and Al Franken are very different, same with John Conyers. Assuming the allegations against all 3 are true, and I firmly believe they are, then Roy Moore should be in jail for a long time, Franken should resign from congress and be shamed from politics forever and Conyers should resign and ideally be forced to pay the taxpayers back for his sexual harassment settlement (I know this will never happen). I also have suspicions he has done this to other women so I hope he faces justice for that.
Just because Franken isn't as bad as Roy Moore doesn't mean he should stay. No one has the divine right to represent the people. It's a privilege and when you do something disgusting like Franken (and he did it serially, to many women) you forfeit that and the public should demand you step down.
Also its not a witch hunt when several different women who aren't connected to each other tell similar stories that have confirmation from friends and family they told at the time of the incident (on Franken's case there is even a Facebook post about it at the time). That's called evidence. Franken did it. Roy Moore did it. John Conyers did it. Don't be blinded.
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Post by Ian Noble on Nov 26, 2017 22:06:19 GMT
Guys I've just got two constructive words for you: Targeted Assassinations
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Post by Ian Noble on Nov 29, 2017 17:51:38 GMT
Trump's retweeted a British Neo-Nazi leader three times today, in case nobody's been watching the news
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Nov 30, 2017 16:45:33 GMT
Only took Pelosi 10 days to flip flop and ask Rep John Conyers, the "icon" to resign. What an idiot she is. Led Dems to their worst position since pre-depression and now is going to blow 2018 by protecting sexual predators.
Democrats will never go anywhere with this incompetent and corrupt leadership
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 1, 2017 1:31:56 GMT
Only took Pelosi 10 days to flip flop and ask Rep John Conyers, the "icon" to resign. What an idiot she is. Led Dems to their worst position since pre-depression and now is going to blow 2018 by protecting sexual predators. Democrats will never go anywhere with this incompetent and corrupt leadership They still fail to understand WHY they lost to Trump.
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