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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 5, 2017 23:52:50 GMT
Cavaliers Send:
75 Mirza Teletovic $6,660,000 $7,392,600 $8,205,786 $9,108,423
77 Rodney Stuckey $5,550,000 $6,160,500 $6,838,155
66 Jordan McRae $1,000,000 $750,000
Draft Rights to Isaiah Whitehead
63 Byron Mullens $1,006,301
Total: 14,216,301
Wizards Send:
75 Ramon Sessions $4,000,000 $4,000,000
71 Austin Rivers $3,411,684
67 Jason Maxiell $2,750,000
Total: 10,161,684
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 6, 2017 0:01:04 GMT
I accept. I need some cap space...
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Post by Walt Frazier on Mar 6, 2017 0:15:57 GMT
Hmmmm. Rivers is probably the best piece here. Why trade him, when all you get are depth pieces that eat up your cap space for this off-season?
Makes total sense from Cavs pov but I don't get it for Washington.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 6, 2017 0:22:40 GMT
Hmmmm. Rivers is probably the best piece here. Why trade him, when all you get are depth pieces that eat up your cap space for this off-season? Makes total sense from Cavs pov but I don't get it for Washington. Isaiah Whitehead. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Mar 6, 2017 0:31:19 GMT
Hmmmm. Rivers is probably the best piece here. Why trade him, when all you get are depth pieces that eat up your cap space for this off-season? Makes total sense from Cavs pov but I don't get it for Washington. Isaiah Whitehead. Just keep Rivers, he's better and still young. Whitehead was the 42nd pick in the NBA draft and is a backup option on the Brooklyn Nets. I don't get it, but I'll wait for Kareem to put in his reasoning before I really dig in much more. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 6, 2017 0:43:59 GMT
If this trade gets rejected because of Rivers... I will riot..
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Mar 6, 2017 0:53:04 GMT
Just keep Rivers, he's better and still young. Whitehead was the 42nd pick in the NBA draft and is a backup option on the Brooklyn Nets. I don't get it, but I'll wait for Kareem to put in his reasoning before I really dig in much more. I think you might be underrating Whitehead Walt, he's looked really good for the Nets IRL this year. In fact I'd rather have Whitehead's rights than Rivers and think the Wizards do great here. |
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Post by Jared Montini on Mar 6, 2017 1:25:30 GMT
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Mar 6, 2017 1:30:08 GMT
I accept. ^^
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Post by Walt Frazier on Mar 6, 2017 1:35:21 GMT
Just keep Rivers, he's better and still young. Whitehead was the 42nd pick in the NBA draft and is a backup option on the Brooklyn Nets. I don't get it, but I'll wait for Kareem to put in his reasoning before I really dig in much more. I think you might be underrating Whitehead Walt, he's looked really good for the Nets IRL this year. In fact I'd rather have Whitehead's rights than Rivers and think the Wizards do great here. Is he worth 14 million dollars in cap space plus 3 roster spots? Again, I'll look into Whitehead more but even if he is doing solidly, he's doing it on the 10-51 Nets. The worst team by far in the NBA. |
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Post by Alex English on Mar 6, 2017 1:35:27 GMT
I accept. Rivers is trash. So is Whitehead.
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Mar 6, 2017 1:38:18 GMT
Hmmmm. Rivers is probably the best piece here. Why trade him, when all you get are depth pieces that eat up your cap space for this off-season? Makes total sense from Cavs pov but I don't get it for Washington. I prefer Isaiah Whitehead over Austin Rivers. 1. 3 years younger 2. Playing with rebuilding Team 3. Higher chance to be a Starter Rodney Stuckey will Opt-Out for sure. Re-signing Austin Rivers will be hard for me even if I have his bird rights. He's not a Starter to me probably 3rd-5th option with my Point Guards. The point that he's playing with a Contending Team in RL makes it harder to re-sign him. ^^ |
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Mar 6, 2017 1:44:06 GMT
I think you might be underrating Whitehead Walt, he's looked really good for the Nets IRL this year. In fact I'd rather have Whitehead's rights than Rivers and think the Wizards do great here. Is he worth 14 million dollars in cap space plus 3 roster spots? Again, I'll look into Whitehead more but even if he is doing solidly, he's doing it on the 10-51 Nets. The worst team by far in the NBA. One roster spot and less than a million salary. I believe Teletovic and Stuckey will Opt-out if I don't trade them before the Trade Deadline. If this will be accepted. That's it, his playing with the worst team, more playing time, more experience. ^^ |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Mar 6, 2017 1:45:44 GMT
I accept. Rivers is trash. So is Whitehead. Cap space mean nothing these days? Lol |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Mar 6, 2017 1:48:03 GMT
Is he worth 14 million dollars in cap space plus 3 roster spots? Again, I'll look into Whitehead more but even if he is doing solidly, he's doing it on the 10-51 Nets. The worst team by far in the NBA. One roster spot and less than a million salary. I believe Teletovic and Stuckey will Opt-out if I don't trade them before the Trade Deadline. If this will be accepted. That's it, his playing with the worst team, more playing time, more experience. ^^ Ah, I think they're both overpaid or, Wong get as good of a contract if they opt out, so I'm thinking they opt in. We'll see. Maybe not a reject trade but I don't think you need to eat THIS much cap space for a player of Whitehead's caliber |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 6, 2017 2:07:47 GMT
I wouldn't be too sure if stuckey opts out or not. It could go either way.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 6, 2017 2:25:59 GMT
I accept. Rivers is trash. So is Whitehead. Whitehead sucks? Noted. Will see in 2 years |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 6, 2017 2:33:50 GMT
I accept. Rivers is trash. So is Whitehead. Cap space mean nothing these days? Lol Cap space depends on the plan of a team. If he doesn't plan to sign an FA, what is its worth? Or if he plans to, and just overpay. It even becomes a liability. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 12:12:49 GMT
I accept. Rivers is trash. So is Whitehead. Whitehead sucks? Noted. Will see in 2 years Well he sucked in college and still sucks so we will see I guess. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 6, 2017 12:51:51 GMT
Whitehead sucks? Noted. Will see in 2 years Well he sucked in college and still sucks so we will see I guess. yeah... I trust coach Atkinson. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 13:22:29 GMT
Well he sucked in college and still sucks so we will see I guess. yeah... I trust coach Atkinson. We will see if he is a coach that can turn shitty players into not shitty players. His record so far says "no". |
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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 6, 2017 13:37:21 GMT
To me it seems like not much value in exchange for not much value, except one side takes all the salary?
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Post by Walt Frazier on Mar 6, 2017 13:44:07 GMT
Yea... To be clear
#1 I'm not saying Rivers is great either, just think he's better than Whitehead, which is setting the bar pretty low.
#2 I really don't see why Washington takes on this salary. Since it has been brought up recently, I'd think spending 14 million on Alex Len, even if risky in its own right, would be a better use than this for the Wiz.
I feel like we're arguing over who is the tallest midget at the circus, until I look at the salary exchanging hands.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 6, 2017 14:03:35 GMT
If you don't think Whitehead has enough value then reject it already.
It is just amazing that even in a very small trade like this, the "draft pick and cap space is the only way to go" ideology is still being push down our throat. No disrespect but it is quite disgusting already..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 14:07:45 GMT
If you don't think Whitehead has enough value then reject it already. It is just amazing that even in a very small trade like this, the "draft pick and cap space is the only way to go" ideology is still being push down our throat. No disrespect but it is quite disgusting already..  |
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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 6, 2017 14:28:01 GMT
It doesn't help that both teams are brothers, posting from the same IP Address  |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 6, 2017 14:31:33 GMT
It doesn't help that both teams are brothers, posting from the same IP Address if you use that in deciding for this one small trade, then, you only proved that this is closer to an accept than a reject. |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 6, 2017 15:07:39 GMT
It doesn't help that both teams are brothers, posting from the same IP Address Did not know this at all. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Mar 6, 2017 23:38:43 GMT
Cap space IS worth something. Some people misuse it, and some people lose out on FA and don't use it at all, but the opportunity that it brings has to be worth something, or else why do we have a salary cap or bird rights or now RFA or the MLE, etc. Cap space (money) is valuable, plain and simple.
Hanamichi, I want you to know that's the reason I'm thinking about this so much. It's not just the player values, it's the money.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 7, 2017 0:22:51 GMT
Cap space IS worth something. Some people misuse it, and some people lose out on FA and don't use it at all, but the opportunity that it brings has to be worth something, or else why do we have a salary cap or bird rights or now RFA or the MLE, etc. Cap space (money) is valuable, plain and simple. Hanamichi, I want you to know that's the reason I'm thinking about this so much. It's not just the player values, it's the money. That is correct. But the value of it is not concrete. It depends on the plan of the GM. If a GM doesn't plan to make a splash on the Free Agency, the value of that cap space should not be that high... Isn't it? Let us take WAS for example. Should he really need to make a splash in the offseason? He has two good pieces in place with one coming from the 2017 draft. And in terms of role players, he has several of them already. What if he doesn't want any of the top free-agents this 2017 and continue to build through the draft? Are you also going to judge that as a wrong move and force him to use his cap space? Now, there is a big difference if I am doing it with CHA, for example. The Cap Space of CHA should have a higher value than that of WAS because it is pretty obvious that he is contending. You should not put a concrete value on the cap space. Let the GMs decide how they will use their cap space. And by the way, look at PHX. That contract of Thad and Tobias. That is the product of having that abundant cap space. Cap Space doesn't win you championship. Your team does.. |
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