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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 7, 2017 1:14:29 GMT
Ian Noble Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Ian NobleJust an FYI Whitehead is playing the NBA and needs to be signed to one of the 2nd rounder contracts before the end of the year otherwise he goes to unrestricted free agency.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 7, 2017 19:02:20 GMT
Cap space IS worth something. Some people misuse it, and some people lose out on FA and don't use it at all, but the opportunity that it brings has to be worth something, or else why do we have a salary cap or bird rights or now RFA or the MLE, etc. Cap space (money) is valuable, plain and simple. Hanamichi, I want you to know that's the reason I'm thinking about this so much. It's not just the player values, it's the money. That is correct. But the value of it is not concrete. It depends on the plan of the GM. If a GM doesn't plan to make a splash on the Free Agency, the value of that cap space should not be that high... Isn't it? Let us take WAS for example. Should he really need to make a splash in the offseason? He has two good pieces in place with one coming from the 2017 draft. And in terms of role players, he has several of them already. What if he doesn't want any of the top free-agents this 2017 and continue to build through the draft? Are you also going to judge that as a wrong move and force him to use his cap space? Now, there is a big difference if I am doing it with CHA, for example. The Cap Space of CHA should have a higher value than that of WAS because it is pretty obvious that he is contending. You should not put a concrete value on the cap space. Let the GMs decide how they will use their cap space. And by the way, look at PHX. That contract of Thad and Tobias. That is the product of having that abundant cap space. Cap Space doesn't win you championship. Your team does.. Sounds like you know washingtons plan a little too well. Ghost gm #wikileaksrussiancollusiontheories. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 7, 2017 22:53:06 GMT
That is correct. But the value of it is not concrete. It depends on the plan of the GM. If a GM doesn't plan to make a splash on the Free Agency, the value of that cap space should not be that high... Isn't it? Let us take WAS for example. Should he really need to make a splash in the offseason? He has two good pieces in place with one coming from the 2017 draft. And in terms of role players, he has several of them already. What if he doesn't want any of the top free-agents this 2017 and continue to build through the draft? Are you also going to judge that as a wrong move and force him to use his cap space? Now, there is a big difference if I am doing it with CHA, for example. The Cap Space of CHA should have a higher value than that of WAS because it is pretty obvious that he is contending. You should not put a concrete value on the cap space. Let the GMs decide how they will use their cap space. And by the way, look at PHX. That contract of Thad and Tobias. That is the product of having that abundant cap space. Cap Space doesn't win you championship. Your team does.. Sounds like you know washingtons plan a little too well. Ghost gm #wikileaksrussiancollusiontheories. I mean, he could just said hey Hana this is my plan. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 7, 2017 22:53:44 GMT
Also, I think Hanamachi likes being on D5 a bit too much to do something like that.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 7, 2017 23:26:24 GMT
That is correct. But the value of it is not concrete. It depends on the plan of the GM. If a GM doesn't plan to make a splash on the Free Agency, the value of that cap space should not be that high... Isn't it? Let us take WAS for example. Should he really need to make a splash in the offseason? He has two good pieces in place with one coming from the 2017 draft. And in terms of role players, he has several of them already. What if he doesn't want any of the top free-agents this 2017 and continue to build through the draft? Are you also going to judge that as a wrong move and force him to use his cap space? Now, there is a big difference if I am doing it with CHA, for example. The Cap Space of CHA should have a higher value than that of WAS because it is pretty obvious that he is contending. You should not put a concrete value on the cap space. Let the GMs decide how they will use their cap space. And by the way, look at PHX. That contract of Thad and Tobias. That is the product of having that abundant cap space. Cap Space doesn't win you championship. Your team does.. Sounds like you know washingtons plan a little too well. Ghost gm #wikileaksrussiancollusiontheories. Seriously? So, what I said about WAS is not pretty obvious? So, you expect him to go for the big time in the offseason? Wow.. Just wow. And seriously, how about some votes already TCs? |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Mar 8, 2017 0:11:27 GMT
Sounds like you know washingtons plan a little too well. Ghost gm #wikileaksrussiancollusiontheories. Seriously? So, what I said about WAS is not pretty obvious? So, you expect him to go for the big time in the offseason? Wow.. Just wow. And seriously, how about some votes already TCs? Why not go after players in the Alex Len tier? Even if it's two of them, and not star level guys, if he goes after them hard and does it early and consistently, that means a lotyo PAs |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Mar 8, 2017 0:12:50 GMT
For real, why is he content with Isaiah Whitehead being his off-season addition to his team. Should anyone be happy with that? He's already resigned to do nothing major until at least 2018 off-season?
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 8, 2017 0:22:26 GMT
For real, why is he content with Isaiah Whitehead being his off-season addition to his team. Should anyone be happy with that? He's already resigned to do nothing major until at least 2018 off-season? again... if you think Whitehead's value is not enough.. then reject it. And about your query.... Whitehead versus Len in a 4 years contract that starts around 14 million (just a guess) who will also help you win more games? That is not a clear cut Alex Len... |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 8, 2017 6:30:05 GMT
For real, why is he content with Isaiah Whitehead being his off-season addition to his team. Should anyone be happy with that? He's already resigned to do nothing major until at least 2018 off-season? again... if you think Whitehead's value is not enough.. then reject it. And about your query.... Whitehead versus Len in a 4 years contract that starts around 14 million (just a guess) who will also help you win more games? That is not a clear cut Alex Len... If we're being honest I'd want Whitehead on a 4 year deal at 1.5 mil a year than Alex "What Injury Now" Len for 4 years at 10 mil. Len has more upside but there are plenty of lumbering bigs out there at the same price range people are trying to give away in trades. |
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Mar 8, 2017 8:27:52 GMT
Any verdicts here? ^^
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 8, 2017 19:02:09 GMT
Sounds like you know washingtons plan a little too well. Ghost gm #wikileaksrussiancollusiontheories. Seriously? So, what I said about WAS is not pretty obvious? So, you expect him to go for the big time in the offseason? Wow.. Just wow. And seriously, how about some votes already TCs? I thought it was obvious, but apparently not--I was joking around. People need to lighten up a bit, damn. |
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Mar 8, 2017 22:03:11 GMT
I'm with Alex, I'll accept however it depends on Ian's ruling.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 9, 2017 9:47:17 GMT
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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 9, 2017 10:12:25 GMT
I will accept merely to end the pain!
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Mar 9, 2017 23:08:43 GMT
Trade Passed right? ^^
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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 10, 2017 19:39:34 GMT
Trade passed.
No more tears, only dreams now.
edit: pending Brandon Bass release!
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 10, 2017 19:42:34 GMT
I will accept merely to end the pain! No wonder you lost the revolutionary war -- give up to easily. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 10, 2017 19:52:38 GMT
I will accept merely to end the pain! No wonder you lost the revolutionary war -- give up to easily. Better than waiting 4 years to enter a war until one side is already winning then take their side and somehow share in the glory  |
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Post by James Kay on Mar 10, 2017 20:01:39 GMT
No wonder you lost the revolutionary war -- give up to easily. Better than waiting 4 years to enter a war until one side is already winning then take their side and somehow share in the glory Not just share, take all of it |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 10, 2017 20:02:03 GMT
I will accept merely to end the pain! No wonder you lost the revolutionary war -- give up to easily. 19 years in Vietnam, 15 years in Afghanistan, 13 years in Iraq. We could learn something. |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 10, 2017 20:02:37 GMT
No wonder you lost the revolutionary war -- give up to easily. Better than waiting 4 years to enter a war until one side is already winning then take their side and somehow share in the glory "You'll be tired of winning. We'll win win win." America needs a day off, we are tired of winning Ian. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 10, 2017 20:14:25 GMT
19 years in Vietnam, 15 years in Afghanistan, 13 years in Iraq. We could learn something. Not really the same thing. Apples to Oranges. Yeah, back then both sides were relatively equal in armaments and technology. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 10, 2017 20:39:02 GMT
What I think is a travesty is how propaganda has reduced Russia's role in WWII. Most of WWII was Operation Barbarossa with Germany vs Russia on the Eastern Front, nothing compares to that shitstorm in the history of war.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 10, 2017 21:39:22 GMT
What I think is a travesty is how propaganda has reduced Russia's role in WWII. Most of WWII was Operation Barbarossa with Germany vs Russia on the Eastern Front, nothing compares to that shitstorm in the history of war. Throw people at it until its done. Strategy of the Chinese in terms of construction. |
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Post by Alex English on Mar 10, 2017 23:05:46 GMT
What I think is a travesty is how propaganda has reduced Russia's role in WWII. Most of WWII was Operation Barbarossa with Germany vs Russia on the Eastern Front, nothing compares to that shitstorm in the history of war. Here is a cool pic showing the changing perceptions of who helped win WW2 the most.  The Eastern Front was way bigger and more brutal than the Western Front. Russia definitely did the most to defeat Germany. |
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