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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 16, 2016 22:20:59 GMT
 Brooklyn Nets Send:83 Greg Monroe - $18,452,500 - $20,482,275 - $22,735,325 - $25,236,211 - $28,012,194 84 Nicolas Batum - $14,169,150 - $15,727,757 - $17,457,810 76 Andrea Bargnani - $2,200,000 - $2,442,000 - $2,701,620BKN 2016 1st BKN 2018 2nd Total: $34,821,650  LA Clippers Send:89 Blake Griffin - $18,907,725 - $20,140,838 - $21,373,950 - $22,827,379 - $24,402,461 70 Luke Ridnour - $1,500,000 - $2,000,00075 Gerald Wallace - $10,768,000 - $11,842,480Total:$31,175,725 |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 16, 2016 22:25:02 GMT
I know I'm overpaying, but I figure if you have a shot at getting a superstar, you have to take it. I hate to give up Monroe because I really do like him as a player, but I just can't pass up getting Blake. At the end of the day, we got Monroe in FA and we traded DeMarre Carroll for Batum, so I still feel like I'm playing with house money
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 16, 2016 22:25:47 GMT
Wow! I would've thought the Clips could've got more for Blake than this trade, I'm not a fan of anything he's getting in return. Well done Josh!
This doesn't ruin either team so I'm content to accept even though I think it's lopsided.
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Post by Mike Krzyzewski on Feb 16, 2016 22:47:24 GMT
Clippers accept.
We never really considered dealing Blake until he acted like an idiot and broke his hand. Obviously there has been a lot of talk about him being on the move IRL and that sparked a ton of offers in D5.
Ultimately, we have played well without Griffin when he has been out this season and although he has been a great cornerstone of our franchise, he has not led us to the ultimate promise land.
This deal gives us 2 legitimate starters, Bargnani for depth and a couple of picks. Also a big factor for us was that Batum and Monroe both young and are on 3 year + contracts. Monroe also having D5 averages of 25 points and 10 boards per game and Batum averaging 17/7 definitely would help my starting lineup.
We completely understand that a player like Griffin is worth a tremendous amount and that this trade will probably draw a lot of criticism (maybe from both sides) but we are, without question, trying to win a championship and we definitely think that this deal will help us in that quest.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 16, 2016 22:49:38 GMT
Just hope Monroe doesn't opt out.
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Post by James Kay on Feb 16, 2016 22:51:54 GMT
Just hope Monroe doesn't opt out. I'm thinking he won't based on his play this year. But who knows, especially if he's traded and performs better |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 16, 2016 22:58:51 GMT
Just hope Monroe doesn't opt out. I'm thinking he won't based on his play this year. But who knows, especially if he's traded and performs better It will be close. Depends on what we do with contracts, if we institute a max, he won't opt out, but if we don't, I could see him getting paid 25 million next season. Too many teams have cap space, way too many and there isn't enough free agents to go around so there's going to be some MASSIVE over paying going on. Which is why I am in favor of a max. No one wants to see someone getting paid 40 million a year. It will be bad for the league., |
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Post by Mike Krzyzewski on Feb 16, 2016 23:25:20 GMT
$20 million + next year and plenty more guaranteed money behind that to be a starter with max minutes in a huge market like LA on a championship level roster...I think he will likely not opt out of a situation like that.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 17, 2016 1:00:22 GMT
I doubt Monroe opts out until after the cap jumps again personally. I really dislike this for LA, but it's obvious that Blake has reached his peak and if that hand is hurt really bad then it could effect his FT and outside shot he's gradually improved over the years.
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Feb 17, 2016 3:17:47 GMT
dammit Josh, now i gotta do something, I accept.
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Post by Danny Longley on Feb 17, 2016 5:18:40 GMT
Works for me. Batum's been having a pretty good year aside from the injuries - rounds out the starting 5. I think it's a good enough return providing Monroe opts in.
Accept.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 17, 2016 6:08:13 GMT
$20 million + next year and plenty more guaranteed money behind that to be a starter with max minutes in a huge market like LA on a championship level roster...I think he will likely not opt out of a situation like that. But what if he chose Brooklyn for some great giant reason, like he wanted to stay in the East and he wanted to be THE guy on a competitive team? Because of all the things we have learned from RL free agency, it is that Greg Monroe wants to be THE guy. He had a problem in Detroit when he wasn't the guy. There's a boatload of teams in the East that can give him more than 20 million as well as have him be the center piece of their franchise, and that is never ever going to happen with the Clippers. Big big risk. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 17, 2016 6:17:57 GMT
I personally don't see any reason why any player would opt in to their salaries next year unless they experienced a huge injury this season. Because as it stands, and the stance isn't changing folks, the numbers keep going up (92 million estimated now), they are all going to get paid.
And there's more money floating around in this off-season than in a high end whore house in Manhattan.
Assuming every player with a PO next year opts out, 17 teams have more than 46 million in cap space, which is half of the estimated salary cap.
HALF OUR LEAGUE COULD HAVE MORE THAN HALF THE CAP IN SPACE TO SPEND. That's fucking nuts. Tell my why again we shouldn't at least have a theoretical max salary figure?
That doesn't even take in to account the 5-8 teams that are at a 60 million-ish figure for next season, which would allow them to sign a player to the largest amount of salary allowed by NBA max contract guidelines (30.3 million with a cap of 92 million)
Not nearly as many teams in RL have this much cap space, and in RL there aren't nearly this many guys expiring this season or with a player option. No one in RL is taking the player option next season, none of them. Even Dwight Howard after season ending back surgery and losing a leg in a fight with Harden and the Kardashians. NONE.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Feb 17, 2016 11:31:27 GMT
I personally don't see any reason why any player would opt in to their salaries next year unless they experienced a huge injury this season. Because as it stands, and the stance isn't changing folks, the numbers keep going up (92 million estimated now), they are all going to get paid. And there's more money floating around in this off-season than in a high end whore house in Manhattan. Assuming every player with a PO next year opts out, 17 teams have more than 46 million in cap space, which is half of the estimated salary cap. HALF OUR LEAGUE COULD HAVE MORE THAN HALF THE CAP IN SPACE TO SPEND. That's fucking nuts. Tell my why again we shouldn't at least have a theoretical max salary figure? That doesn't even take in to account the 5-8 teams that are at a 60 million-ish figure for next season, which would allow them to sign a player to the largest amount of salary allowed by NBA max contract guidelines (30.3 million with a cap of 92 million) Not nearly as many teams in RL have this much cap space, and in RL there aren't nearly this many guys expiring this season or with a player option. No one in RL is taking the player option next season, none of them. Even Dwight Howard after season ending back surgery and losing a leg in a fight with Harden and the Kardashians. NONE. I think some people will opt in. You're making it sound like every player is going to request a player option in the following year bc there is another cap increase. I hope this doesn't start getting out of hand and Gms offer people like Jeremy Lin players options in year two. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 14:39:49 GMT
I think some people will opt in. You're making it sound like every player is going to request a player option in the following year bc there is another cap increase. I hope this doesn't start getting out of hand and Gms offer people like Jeremy Lin players options in year two. Pretty sure Ian has already said we are going to do max contracts, AND we can only offer player options in the last year of the deal, just like the NBA. update: source on only one option + last year of contract rule: dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/13/off-season-free-agency-regulationssource on max contracts: dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/6915/max-contract-affects (ian post 3) So, Ian has already said both these things, I'm just saying it because I keep reading these Charles Barkley and Jeremiah Hill monologues about things that have already been decided. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 17, 2016 15:54:34 GMT
I personally don't see any reason why any player would opt in to their salaries next year unless they experienced a huge injury this season. Because as it stands, and the stance isn't changing folks, the numbers keep going up (92 million estimated now), they are all going to get paid. And there's more money floating around in this off-season than in a high end whore house in Manhattan. Assuming every player with a PO next year opts out, 17 teams have more than 46 million in cap space, which is half of the estimated salary cap. HALF OUR LEAGUE COULD HAVE MORE THAN HALF THE CAP IN SPACE TO SPEND. That's fucking nuts. Tell my why again we shouldn't at least have a theoretical max salary figure? That doesn't even take in to account the 5-8 teams that are at a 60 million-ish figure for next season, which would allow them to sign a player to the largest amount of salary allowed by NBA max contract guidelines (30.3 million with a cap of 92 million) Not nearly as many teams in RL have this much cap space, and in RL there aren't nearly this many guys expiring this season or with a player option. No one in RL is taking the player option next season, none of them. Even Dwight Howard after season ending back surgery and losing a leg in a fight with Harden and the Kardashians. NONE. Because a lot of these players are making more per year on their current contract than they could make in the offseason with max contracts. Max contract would be 22.5 with 25% of 90 mil. |
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Post by Alex English on Feb 17, 2016 16:57:23 GMT
I accept.
This is solid value for Blake imo. I'd much rather be the Nets in this though, Blake could attract another Monroe/Batum level player in free agency, while the Clippers will find it nearly impossible to get another guy on Blake's level. They do still have Melo though, and will have Iggy and Bogut coming off the bench, their team is fine.
Huge trade for the Nets.
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 17, 2016 17:48:23 GMT
Trade passed! Good to see some superstar talent headed East.
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Post by Mike Krzyzewski on Feb 17, 2016 17:54:37 GMT
That was a huge consideration as well...no way Blake was going to be traded to another Western conference team.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 17, 2016 21:53:54 GMT
I think some people will opt in. You're making it sound like every player is going to request a player option in the following year bc there is another cap increase. I hope this doesn't start getting out of hand and Gms offer people like Jeremy Lin players options in year two. Pretty sure Ian has already said we are going to do max contracts, AND we can only offer player options in the last year of the deal, just like the NBA. update: source on only one option + last year of contract rule: dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/13/off-season-free-agency-regulationssource on max contracts: dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/6915/max-contract-affects (ian post 3) So, Ian has already said both these things, I'm just saying it because I keep reading these Charles Barkley and Jeremiah Hill monologues about things that have already been decided. If it isn't in the Free Agency Regulations, then it isn't a rule. That was supposed to be sorted out before February, its the middle of February and no word. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 17, 2016 21:55:09 GMT
I personally don't see any reason why any player would opt in to their salaries next year unless they experienced a huge injury this season. Because as it stands, and the stance isn't changing folks, the numbers keep going up (92 million estimated now), they are all going to get paid. And there's more money floating around in this off-season than in a high end whore house in Manhattan. Assuming every player with a PO next year opts out, 17 teams have more than 46 million in cap space, which is half of the estimated salary cap. HALF OUR LEAGUE COULD HAVE MORE THAN HALF THE CAP IN SPACE TO SPEND. That's fucking nuts. Tell my why again we shouldn't at least have a theoretical max salary figure? That doesn't even take in to account the 5-8 teams that are at a 60 million-ish figure for next season, which would allow them to sign a player to the largest amount of salary allowed by NBA max contract guidelines (30.3 million with a cap of 92 million) Not nearly as many teams in RL have this much cap space, and in RL there aren't nearly this many guys expiring this season or with a player option. No one in RL is taking the player option next season, none of them. Even Dwight Howard after season ending back surgery and losing a leg in a fight with Harden and the Kardashians. NONE. Because a lot of these players are making more per year on their current contract than they could make in the offseason with max contracts. Max contract would be 22.5 with 25% of 90 mil. There is nothing in our rules that state that there is a max contract in place for OSFA. Yes, one could assume there will be some sort of regulation, but what if the assumption is wrong? You can't base things on assumptions, you need to base them on facts. And the facts are that there is no max in D5, folks. |
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