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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 16, 2016 19:00:45 GMT
These are my anticipated numbers: Anticipated Cap: $89,000,000.00 Max Contracts: 25% of the cap for players with 1-6 years experience. $22,250,000.00 30% of the cap for players with 7-9 years experience. $26,700,000.00 35% of the cap for players with 10+years experience. $31,150,000.00 It is not yet known if the league will have these experience levels or not. We'll have to wait for that to come down from the Commissioner. Max Contract Years: I don't know if this was discussed in the rules suggestion thread but in the NBA there are year limits on Max Deals. As of right now the year limit is 4 years. With 5 year deals being reserved for "Designated Players" of which you can only have one player on such a deal and can only be offered to players coming off rookie deals. This decision will ultimately be left to the Commissioner but I do like the idea of shortening up contracts as this means that players will move more and makes the overall strategy of teams more important. Lets take a player like Paul George. Denver currently has him locked up for 6 years. He assuredly had him for the 5 year rookie deal (if he got him via trade pretend he was drafted). So this has Paul George being locked up essentially for 11 years before becoming realistically available. If the rookie is 19-20 this means that by the time a player becomes available he's 30-31 years old. If we do shortened contracts (potentially including decreasing length of rookie deals to 4 years because we don't have RFA). Here is a situation of a 19 year old rookie played out the way it was before: Drafted Contract 5 years, Signed Max Deal 6 years: 11 years Here the same situation with the limited contracts: Drafted Contract 4 years, Signed Max Deal 5 years: 9 years (potentially 8 years if we force players to only have 1 5 year player on a team at a time) Even if we don't mess with Rookie Deals it still helps player movement: Drafted Contract 5 years, Signed Max Deal 4-5 years 9-10 years Affect on Free Agency: How will this change affect free agency this season is the big question. Well I think that more emphasis will be put on money and we will have to worry about limiting contracts less. This past offseason we had a situation where several more or less equally regarded free agents got vastly different money due to one PA allowing for a bidding war and another focusing more on realistic deals. It is now on the PA to not focus on "Protecting GMs" as much. Some already didn't do this. Some did. Lets use a real life situation here as an example: Last year Detroit signed Reggie Jackson (a career backup) to a max contract. If someone in this league tried to do something like that they would be pushed down to a more "Realistic" level. The max contract both money and time length is the new protection. Players will only take discounts if they've shown that tendency in real life (basically people who have Spurs players). So this offseason we can see a player like Marcus Morris being offered a max contract if someone is so inclined. Backtracking a bit however. Decreasing the rookie deal length to 4 years with the Qualifying offer turning into a cap hold would bring our contract timings more in line with real life. So when Reggie Jackson was up for his big contract he would have also gotten his big deal here in D5. Summary: In summation the Max Contract rule is a new and exciting wrinkle to D5. Ian Noble
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 16, 2016 23:51:05 GMT
Couple of thoughts, first would be this:
Nearly everything we do has to have some basis in real life. Case in point would be your Reggie Jackson example.
A real life team can sign him to a big deal, plug him into their starting lineup every night, and see his stock rise.
A D5 team, if allowed, could sign a similar player to a huge contract, plug them into their starting lineup, then watch them play minimal minutes off the bench in real life and get no rating boost or possibly even decrease their rating.
All of our development is based on real life so a lot of these types of decisions and league-thought-process movements have to be taken with the real-life grain of salt.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 19, 2016 11:32:13 GMT
Thanks for posting all this guys, I hope to get it all sorted out this week and it's pretty much along he lines of what you're saying, even RFA perhaps.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 19, 2016 23:25:09 GMT
I think this is a good idea as our cap is rapidly increasing. It evens out the playing field for GMs with cap space. We won't see someone bid 40 million a year for a player, which with the cap being as it is, could be realistic in some cases.
Making a max contract is good for the league, and the GMs. The PAs would then need to select teams based on their real life player personalities of the players they represent.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 19, 2016 23:51:21 GMT
I definitely support a max contract. In response, or, in addition, to what Charles said - Yes, real life player personality is a big deal, but PA's should and will also consider fit on a team, positional availability, , and the rest of the 6 (I think) factors Ian has reposted multiple times.
If money is equal, I'm next going to look at how the player is going to fit on the team, is there a position open fit a SF if my client is a SF?
If I'm representing a 24 year old, I might lean slightly towards a team made up of 20-28 year olds vs a team made up of predominantly 30-40 year old players (this may be the weakest consideration, but depending on a players perceived personality, can be a factor in certain circumstances.
A lot of it is and should be shaped by the players personality, but there are a few factors to consider, all told
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 20, 2016 0:02:58 GMT
I definitely support a max contract. In response, or, in addition, to what Charles said - Yes, real life player personality is a big deal, but PA's should and will also consider fit on a team, positional availability, , and the rest of the 6 (I think) factors Ian has reposted multiple times. If money is equal, I'm next going to look at how the player is going to fit on the team, is there a position open fit a SF if my client is a SF? If I'm representing a 24 year old, I might lean slightly towards a team made up of 20-28 year olds vs a team made up of predominantly 30-40 year old players (this may be the weakest consideration, but depending on a players perceived personality, can be a factor in certain circumstances. A lot of it is and should be shaped by the players personality, but there are a few factors to consider, all told I agree. I think the max contract will take the money factor out of things going forward in OSFA, for the most part. It saves teams and GMs from horrid contracts, and it just makes things better. Once you get rid of the money, the RLPP come in, and yes fit on a team does matter. I prefer to look at the factors as of linear importance. All the factors to a player signing with a team are important, but they all should encapsulate the player's persona. Never again should we be looking at a signing and the majority of GMs say, "WTF!". Obviously we are going to have upset GMs in OSFA, but we shouldn't all be baffled and bewildered by a signing.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 20, 2016 0:05:41 GMT
Thanks for posting all this guys, I hope to get it all sorted out this week and it's pretty much along he lines of what you're saying, even RFA perhaps. Please be careful with RFA, it is a double edged sword. On one hand, it gives us the ability to keep a player on a losing team where he is needed for the rebuild and may other wise be traded for fear of not being able to re-sign the player. It should increase player movement for player's on a rookie deal with 2 years or less, or it could slow it down. I think, all and all, these crucial implementations will do more good than harm to our league. And it should all be very interesting to see what happens.
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Post by James Kay on Jan 20, 2016 0:11:10 GMT
I definitely support a max contract. In response, or, in addition, to what Charles said - Yes, real life player personality is a big deal, but PA's should and will also consider fit on a team, positional availability, , and the rest of the 6 (I think) factors Ian has reposted multiple times. If money is equal, I'm next going to look at how the player is going to fit on the team, is there a position open fit a SF if my client is a SF? If I'm representing a 24 year old, I might lean slightly towards a team made up of 20-28 year olds vs a team made up of predominantly 30-40 year old players (this may be the weakest consideration, but depending on a players perceived personality, can be a factor in certain circumstances. A lot of it is and should be shaped by the players personality, but there are a few factors to consider, all told Walt - just as a slight counter-point. If I'm looking to sign Lebron James this off-season (I'm not), I don't want him saying oh. Wiggins plays the 3 already, I'm not going to sign with CHA because of that. No - he should think oh Wiggins plays the 3 already, he'd either have to be moved or take a bench role if I came.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 20, 2016 0:18:20 GMT
I agree with that actually. That would be one of my main arguments in defense of my Bledsoe signing. It's almost like I shouldn't have been allowed to pursue Bledsoe because I already had a solid starting PG. But, I think Bledsoe is better so I went for him to make my team better.
I think you should go for LeBron if you want to. And I think he (his player agent) knows he would start over anyone else at his position in the league, basically.
I'd either see if Wiggins at SG would work or demand Wiggins traded.
All that said, if you have Marc Gasol and you try to sign Brook Lopez, Brook will probably go elsewhere unless you're already trading Marc.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 22, 2016 14:10:05 GMT
I like max contracts, I really do believe this will help the league this year, especially with all of the free agents. As Barkley said, this is can be seen as an internal control to help prevent teams from making dumb signings and promote a more fluid league in terms of competition etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 15:26:19 GMT
Max contracts are gonna help all those GMs that signed people really high values with 2nd year player options.
No way Cousins opts out now for LESS money.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 22, 2016 16:35:48 GMT
Are we doing if your salary is already more than the max you can get 125% of your previous salary?
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 18, 2016 0:58:51 GMT
These are my anticipated numbers: Anticipated Cap: $89,000,000.00 Max Contracts: 25% of the cap for players with 1-6 years experience. $22,250,000.00 30% of the cap for players with 7-9 years experience. $26,700,000.00 35% of the cap for players with 10+years experience. $31,150,000.00 It is not yet known if the league will have these experience levels or not. We'll have to wait for that to come down from the Commissioner. Max Contract Years: I don't know if this was discussed in the rules suggestion thread but in the NBA there are year limits on Max Deals. As of right now the year limit is 4 years. With 5 year deals being reserved for "Designated Players" of which you can only have one player on such a deal and can only be offered to players coming off rookie deals. This decision will ultimately be left to the Commissioner but I do like the idea of shortening up contracts as this means that players will move more and makes the overall strategy of teams more important. Lets take a player like Paul George. Denver currently has him locked up for 6 years. He assuredly had him for the 5 year rookie deal (if he got him via trade pretend he was drafted). So this has Paul George being locked up essentially for 11 years before becoming realistically available. If the rookie is 19-20 this means that by the time a player becomes available he's 30-31 years old. If we do shortened contracts (potentially including decreasing length of rookie deals to 4 years because we don't have RFA). Here is a situation of a 19 year old rookie played out the way it was before: Drafted Contract 5 years, Signed Max Deal 6 years: 11 years Here the same situation with the limited contracts: Drafted Contract 4 years, Signed Max Deal 5 years: 9 years (potentially 8 years if we force players to only have 1 5 year player on a team at a time) Even if we don't mess with Rookie Deals it still helps player movement: Drafted Contract 5 years, Signed Max Deal 4-5 years 9-10 years Affect on Free Agency: How will this change affect free agency this season is the big question. Well I think that more emphasis will be put on money and we will have to worry about limiting contracts less. This past offseason we had a situation where several more or less equally regarded free agents got vastly different money due to one PA allowing for a bidding war and another focusing more on realistic deals. It is now on the PA to not focus on "Protecting GMs" as much. Some already didn't do this. Some did. Lets use a real life situation here as an example: Last year Detroit signed Reggie Jackson (a career backup) to a max contract. If someone in this league tried to do something like that they would be pushed down to a more "Realistic" level. The max contract both money and time length is the new protection. Players will only take discounts if they've shown that tendency in real life (basically people who have Spurs players). So this offseason we can see a player like Marcus Morris being offered a max contract if someone is so inclined. Backtracking a bit however. Decreasing the rookie deal length to 4 years with the Qualifying offer turning into a cap hold would bring our contract timings more in line with real life. So when Reggie Jackson was up for his big contract he would have also gotten his big deal here in D5. Summary: In summation the Max Contract rule is a new and exciting wrinkle to D5. Ian Noble Should update this with the right rules. The Max is 30% not 35% in the NBA, then its 25 and 20, IIRC. Going off of the new projeced 92 million dollar cap figure. But then they also have BR raises off the 30% and such. I like 35%, think it fits right with what we need to do. Also, when we measure experience, will it be the amount of years the player has underneath his belt when signing the contract? Or the year the player is about to enter, because that is the year the pay is for?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 2:44:59 GMT
Its years accrued.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 18, 2016 21:35:34 GMT
So in other words, why wouldn't these 5 and 6 year guys, sign options that have them a FA when the cap jumps again to 112? they'd make nearly 10 million more a year.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 1:43:15 GMT
So in other words, why wouldn't these 5 and 6 year guys, sign options that have them a FA when the cap jumps again to 112? they'd make nearly 10 million more a year. Because it doesn't happen in real life.
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