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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 15, 2015 20:36:23 GMT
 Brooklyn Nets - Ben GordonAfter some hard ball negotiating the Brooklyn Nets sign Ben Gordon on a one year deal. Year 1 - $2,250,000 |
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Jul 15, 2015 20:39:21 GMT
Brooklyn Nets - Ben GordonAfter some hard ball negotiating the Brooklyn Nets sign Ben Gordon on a one year deal. Year 1 - $2,250,000 But they just traded for kevin martin? |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 15, 2015 20:41:44 GMT
We are very pleased that Ben has decided to sign on to be our starting center.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 15, 2015 20:44:37 GMT
Brooklyn Nets - Ben GordonAfter some hard ball negotiating the Brooklyn Nets sign Ben Gordon on a one year deal. Year 1 - $2,250,000 But they just traded for kevin martin? Hmm this is a good point. Andrei Kirilenko - you've already accepted your trade with the Spurs, so I'm afraid this signing is voided. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 15, 2015 20:45:02 GMT
But they just traded for kevin martin? Hmm this is a good point. Andrei Kirilenko - you've already accepted your trade with the Spurs, so I'm afraid this signing is voided. porque? |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 15, 2015 20:46:32 GMT
maths adds up
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 15, 2015 20:49:44 GMT
I don't think it does!
$61,411,589 is your current payroll.
$70,000,000 is the cap.
$61,411,589 + (Kevin Martin's salary) $7,584,935 + (Ben Gordon's salary) $2,250,000 = $71,246,524
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 15, 2015 20:51:20 GMT
I don't think it does! $61,411,589 is your current payroll. $70,000,000 is the cap. $61,411,589 + (Kevin Martin's salary) $7,584,935 + (Ben Gordon's salary) $2,250,000 = $71,246,524 I think you might be double counting Gordon |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 15, 2015 20:55:22 GMT
Now I'm confused
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Post by Alex English on Jul 15, 2015 21:00:54 GMT
Yea Josh is right, Brooklyn has the cap space by what I see. The Nets current payroll ($61,411,589) already includes Ben Gordon's salary. So only Kevin Martin has to be added on top of that, and there is enough space there for his $7,584,935.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 15, 2015 21:03:32 GMT
Yea Josh is right, Brooklyn has the cap space by what I see. The Nets current payroll ($61,411,589) already includes Ben Gordon's salary. So only Kevin Martin has to be added on top of that, and there is enough space there for his $7,584,935. Thanks Alex, I'm a bit tired tonight, it took someone to write it out in full before my brain caught up. The Nets sign Ben Gordon  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 21:18:15 GMT
Either way he would have the MLE to sign Ben anyway.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 15, 2015 21:58:14 GMT
Either way he would have the MLE to sign Ben anyway. No. No no no no no. The MLE is awarded to teams at the start of the offseason who are over the cap. It is an "Exception" to the salary cap. Usually teams over the cap can't spend money, they are over the cap. But the NBA instituted an exception to the cap. You should not have the MLE unless you began the offseason over the cap. |
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Post by Alex English on Jul 15, 2015 22:28:54 GMT
You should not have the MLE unless you began the offseason over the cap. Or under the cap by less than $5 million. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 22:30:13 GMT
Either way he would have the MLE to sign Ben anyway. No. No no no no no. The MLE is awarded to teams at the start of the offseason who are over the cap. It is an "Exception" to the salary cap. Usually teams over the cap can't spend money, they are over the cap. But the NBA instituted an exception to the cap. You should not have the MLE unless you began the offseason over the cap. So if I were to get to the salary cap through a signing in the next few days I would have no MLE until next offseason? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 22:31:16 GMT
My bad I figured the MLE happened as soon as you got to that level of salary, didn't realize it had a specific date attached to it.
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Post by Alex English on Jul 15, 2015 22:31:34 GMT
He was under the cap by like $50 million dollars at the start of free agency. That's what matters. You don't get to use all your cap space, then go above the cap with an MLE as well.
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Post by Alex English on Jul 15, 2015 22:32:23 GMT
So if I were to get to the salary cap through a signing in the next few days I would have no MLE until next offseason? Correct. |
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ExceptionsEdit
Because the NBA's salary cap is a soft one, the CBA allows for several important scenarios in which a team can sign players even if their payroll exceeds the cap. The exceptions are as follows:
Mid-level exceptionEdit
Once a year, teams can use a mid-level exception (MLE) to sign a player to a contract for a specified maximum amount. The amount of the MLE and its duration depend on the team's cap status. The MLE was initially set at $5 million for a duration of four years for teams that are over the cap either before or after the signing, but under the luxury tax apron, which is $4M above the tax line. Teams above the luxury tax apron have an MLE that was initially set at $3 million with a three-year duration. Teams with cap room, previously ineligible for the MLE, have a new MLE, initially $2.5 million with a two-year duration. The MLE was frozen at the stated levels through the 2012–13 season, since then, it will increase by 3% per season (with the percentage based on the initial amount of the exception, and not compounded).[6] In turn, this means that MLEs in the current 2014–15 season are:
$5.305 million for teams without cap room, below the tax apron
$3.278 million for teams over the tax apron
$2.575 million for teams with cap room
Before the 2011 CBA, the MLE was equal to the average NBA salary for all teams over the cap. Teams with cap room were previously ineligible for the MLE.[6] The Mid-Level Exception for the 2008–09 NBA season was $5.585 million.[23] The MLE was $5.854 million for the 2009–10 NBA regular season.[24]
Bi-annual exceptionEdit
The bi-annual exception was used to sign any free agent to a contract starting at $1.672 million. Like the mid-level exception, the bi-annual exception was also split among more than one player, and was used to sign players for up to two years, with raises limited to 8% per year. This exception was referred to as the "$1 million exception" in the 1999 CBA, although it was valued at $1 million for only the first year of the agreement.
An example of the bi-annual exception was the Los Angeles Lakers' signing of Karl Malone to a contract before the 2003–04 season.
The exception was eliminated for luxury tax paying teams following the 2011 NBA lockout as many high spending teams were using this as a tool to gain top paid players.[6]
Rookie exceptionEdit
The NBA allows teams to sign their first-round draft choices to rookie "scale" contracts even if their payroll exceeds the cap.
Larry Bird exceptionEdit
Perhaps the most well-known of the NBA's salary cap exceptions is the Larry Bird exception, so named because the Boston Celtics were the first team permitted to exceed the salary cap to re-sign one of their own players (in that case, Larry Bird). Free agents who qualify for this exception are called "qualifying veteran free agents" or "Bird Free Agents" in the CBA, and this exception falls under the terms of the Veteran Free Agent exception. In essence, the Larry Bird exception allows teams to exceed the salary cap to re-sign their own free agents, at an amount up to the maximum salary. To qualify as a Bird free agent, a player must have played three seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent. Players claimed after being amnestied have their Bird rights transferred to their new team. Other players claimed off waivers are not eligible for the full Bird exception, but may qualify for the early Bird exception. Prior to an arbitrator ruling in June 2012, all players that were waived and changed teams lost their Bird rights.[25][26] This means a player can obtain "Bird rights" by playing under three one-year contracts, a single contract of at least three years, or any combination thereof. It also means that when a player is traded, his Bird rights are traded with him, and his new team can use the Bird exception to re-sign him. Under the 2011 CBA, Bird-exception contracts can be up to five years in length, down from six under the 2005 CBA.[6]
Early Bird exceptionEdit
The lesser form of the Larry Bird exception is the "early Bird" exception. Free agents who qualify for this exception are called "early qualifying veteran free agents", and qualify after playing two seasons with the same team. Players that are traded or claimed off waivers have their Bird rights transferred to their new team. Prior to an arbitrator ruling in June 2012, all players that were waived and changed teams lost their Bird rights.[25][26] Using this exception, a team can re-sign its own free agent for either 175% of his salary the previous season, or the NBA's average salary, whichever is greater. Early Bird contracts must be for at least two seasons, but can last no longer than four seasons. If a team agrees to a trade that would make a player lose his Early Bird Rights, he has the power to veto the trade.
A much-publicized example for this was Devean George, who vetoed his inclusion into a larger trade during the 2007–08 season that would have sent him from the Dallas Mavericks to the New Jersey Nets.
Non-Bird exceptionEdit
"Non-qualifying free agents" (those who do not qualify under either the Larry Bird exception or the early Bird exception) are subject to the non-Bird exception. Under this exception, teams can re-sign a player to a contract beginning at either 120% of his salary for the previous season, or 120% of the league's minimum salary, whichever amount is higher. Contracts signed under the Non-Bird exception can last up to four years (down from six under the 2005 CBA).
Minimum Salary ExceptionEdit
Teams can sign players for the NBA's minimum salary even if they are over the cap, for up to two years in length. In the case of two-year contracts, the second-season salary is the minimum salary for that season. The contract may not contain a signing bonus. This exception also allows minimum-salary players to be acquired via trade. There is no limit to the number of players that can be signed or acquired using this exception.
Traded Player ExceptionEdit
If a team trades away a player with a higher salary than the player they acquire in return (the deal hereafter referred to as "Trade #1"), they receive a Traded Player Exception, also known as a "Trade Exception". Teams with a trade exception have up to a year in which they can acquire more salary in other trades (Trade #2, #3, etc.) than they send away, as long as the gulf in salaries for Trade #2, #3, etc. are less than or equal to the difference in salary for Trade #1. This exception is particularly useful when teams trade draft picks directly for a player; since draft picks have no salary value, often the only way to get salaries to match is to use a trade exception, which allows trades to be made despite unbalanced salaries. It is also useful to compensate teams for losing free agents, as they can do a sign and trade of that free agent to acquire a trade exception that can be used later. Note this exception is for single player trades only, though additional cash and draft picks can be part of the trade.
Disabled Player ExceptionEdit
Allows a team that is over the cap to acquire a replacement for a disabled player who will be out for either the remainder of that season (for in-season injuries/deaths) or the next season (if the disability occurs during the offseason). The maximum salary of the replacement player is either 50% of the injured player's salary, or the mid-level exception for a non-taxpaying team, whichever is less. This exception requires an NBA-designated doctor to verify the extent of the injury. Under the 2005 CBA, a team could sign a player under this exception for five years; the 2011 CBA now allows this only for one year.[6]
Note that while teams can often use one exception to sign multiple players, they cannot use a combination of exceptions to sign a single player.
ReinstatementEdit
A player banned from the league for a drug-related offense who is reinstated may be re-signed by his prior team for up to his previous salary.[10]
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 22:39:23 GMT
Thanks for the clarifications.
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jul 16, 2015 0:28:04 GMT
Did we change this rule? In the past, if you started the off-season below the cap and then went over it due to signings, you were able to use the MLE.
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Post by JR Wiles on Jul 16, 2015 0:54:19 GMT
Did we change this rule? In the past, if you started the off-season below the cap and then went over it due to signings, you were able to use the MLE. I thought you had to the start of the season. Then the cap was either over or under and there was a certain time you could start using your MLE. Gets FAs and picks, and trades out of the way before MLEs are allowed to be used. |
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Post by JR Wiles on Jul 16, 2015 0:59:33 GMT
Really those that ended up over the cap after signing their own FAs after using the hold out move to sign other FAs shouldn't fairly be able to go over the cap and get to use the MLE.
How's that fair to those under the cap?
We should be able to sign players as well. Truly we should get a higher MKE and they should get a small MLE of $2.5-$3 mil.
Thoughts?
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 16, 2015 1:16:52 GMT
Really those that ended up over the cap after signing their own FAs after using the hold out move to sign other FAs shouldn't fairly be able to go over the cap and get to use the MLE. How's that fair to those under the cap? We should be able to sign players as well. Truly we should get a higher MKE and they should get a small MLE of $2.5-$3 mil. Thoughts? Agree with JR. We also do not have any rules about it in our league so the assumption should be the one that will benefit the majority and that is letting those under the cap use MLE if they went over. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 16, 2015 1:39:22 GMT
Did we change this rule? In the past, if you started the off-season below the cap and then went over it due to signings, you were able to use the MLE. Well, no but yes. In the past two years Ian kept forgetting from what I remember. He even reset it twice in each offseason both years and some people got to use their MLE twice (I think we caught that this past season and put a stop to it). |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 16, 2015 1:45:37 GMT
Really those that ended up over the cap after signing their own FAs after using the hold out move to sign other FAs shouldn't fairly be able to go over the cap and get to use the MLE. How's that fair to those under the cap? We should be able to sign players as well. Truly we should get a higher MKE and they should get a small MLE of $2.5-$3 mil. Thoughts? If you end up over the cap then you shouldn't get your MLE either, I agree. If you begin the offseason over the cap (including your cap holds) then you get MLE to use so you can have some chance at improving your team. If you begin the offseason under the cap by more than the amount of the MLE ($5,000,000) then no matter where you end up, even using your BR's to go over the cap because of the BR rule, then you do NOT get an MLE. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 1:48:15 GMT
Really those that ended up over the cap after signing their own FAs after using the hold out move to sign other FAs shouldn't fairly be able to go over the cap and get to use the MLE. How's that fair to those under the cap? We should be able to sign players as well. Truly we should get a higher MKE and they should get a small MLE of $2.5-$3 mil. Thoughts? If you end up over the cap then you shouldn't get your MLE either, I agree. If you begin the offseason over the cap (including your cap holds) then you get MLE to use so you can have some chance at improving your team. If you begin the offseason under the cap by more than the amount of the MLE ($5,000,000) then no matter where you end up, even using your BR's to go over the cap because of the BR rule, then you do NOT get an MLE. This should be explained or there should be an exemption until this is stated because the only thing I see anywhere on the rules is "Teams over the cap or within the amount of the MLE to the cap get the full MLE to spend". There is nothing about a time except that the MLE resets each year. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 16, 2015 1:49:56 GMT
If you end up over the cap then you shouldn't get your MLE either, I agree. If you begin the offseason over the cap (including your cap holds) then you get MLE to use so you can have some chance at improving your team. If you begin the offseason under the cap by more than the amount of the MLE ($5,000,000) then no matter where you end up, even using your BR's to go over the cap because of the BR rule, then you do NOT get an MLE. This should be explained or there should be an exemption until this is stated because the only thing I see anywhere on the rules is "Teams over the cap or within the amount of the MLE to the cap get the full MLE to spend". There is nothing about a time except that the MLE resets each year. - Bunch of discussion above here about the MLE and how it is set up, resets, how it is explained currently, how it "should" work, how it has worked in the past (by mistake I believe), etc. Would be good if everyone knew exactly what the rule was. |
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Post by JR Wiles on Jul 16, 2015 2:05:25 GMT
This should be explained or there should be an exemption until this is stated because the only thing I see anywhere on the rules is "Teams over the cap or within the amount of the MLE to the cap get the full MLE to spend". There is nothing about a time except that the MLE resets each year. - Bunch of discussion above here about the MLE and how it is set up, resets, how it is explained currently, how it "should" work, how it has worked in the past (by mistake I believe), etc. Would be good if everyone knew exactly what the rule was. Please take into account that we are not 100% like the real NBA. There are many differences and for us to have a rule that is fair in general to D5 gms because of there being no hard caps in place, etc...because teams that are over the cap should honestly get no extra money to sign FAs. Not only that if you do allow it, gms should not be allowed to sign players more than one season. Why let a team that's over the cap get special privileges, including increasing their cap even more for future years. Honestly its the teams that are closer to the cap but not over that deserve to get some kind of exception. Those that are way below the cap have the space. Those over, don't need it deserve it. And really IRL, there are several exceptions... |
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Post by JR Wiles on Jul 16, 2015 2:06:15 GMT
Mid-level exceptionEdit
Once a year, teams can use a mid-level exception (MLE) to sign a player to a contract for a specified maximum amount. The amount of the MLE and its duration depend on the team's cap status. The MLE was initially set at $5 million for a duration of four years for teams that are over the cap either before or after the signing, but under the luxury tax apron, which is $4M above the tax line. Teams above the luxury tax apron have an MLE that was initially set at $3 million with a three-year duration. Teams with cap room, previously ineligible for the MLE, have a new MLE, initially $2.5 million with a two-year duration. The MLE was frozen at the stated levels through the 2012–13 season, since then, it will increase by 3% per season (with the percentage based on the initial amount of the exception, and not compounded).[6] In turn, this means that MLEs in the current 2014–15 season are:
$5.305 million for teams without cap room, below the tax apron
$3.278 million for teams over the tax apron
$2.575 million for teams with cap room
Before the 2011 CBA, the MLE was equal to the average NBA salary for all teams over the cap. Teams with cap room were previously ineligible for the MLE.[6] The Mid-Level Exception for the 2008–09 NBA season was $5.585 million.[23] The MLE was $5.854 million for the 2009–10 NBA regular season.[24]
Bi-annual exceptionEdit
The bi-annual exception was used to sign any free agent to a contract starting at $1.672 million. Like the mid-level exception, the bi-annual exception was also split among more than one player, and was used to sign players for up to two years, with raises limited to 8% per year. This exception was referred to as the "$1 million exception" in the 1999 CBA, although it was valued at $1 million for only the first year of the agreement.
An example of the bi-annual exception was the Los Angeles Lakers' signing of Karl Malone to a contract before the 2003–04 season.
The exception was eliminated for luxury tax paying teams following the 2011 NBA lockout as many high spending teams were using this as a tool to gain top paid players.[6]
Rookie exceptionEdit
The NBA allows teams to sign their first-round draft choices to rookie "scale" contracts even if their payroll exceeds the cap.
Larry Bird exceptionEdit
Perhaps the most well-known of the NBA's salary cap exceptions is the Larry Bird exception, so named because the Boston Celtics were the first team permitted to exceed the salary cap to re-sign one of their own players (in that case, Larry Bird). Free agents who qualify for this exception are called "qualifying veteran free agents" or "Bird Free Agents" in the CBA, and this exception falls under the terms of the Veteran Free Agent exception. In essence, the Larry Bird exception allows teams to exceed the salary cap to re-sign their own free agents, at an amount up to the maximum salary. To qualify as a Bird free agent, a player must have played three seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent. Players claimed after being amnestied have their Bird rights transferred to their new team. Other players claimed off waivers are not eligible for the full Bird exception, but may qualify for the early Bird exception. Prior to an arbitrator ruling in June 2012, all players that were waived and changed teams lost their Bird rights.[25][26] This means a player can obtain "Bird rights" by playing under three one-year contracts, a single contract of at least three years, or any combination thereof. It also means that when a player is traded, his Bird rights are traded with him, and his new team can use the Bird exception to re-sign him. Under the 2011 CBA, Bird-exception contracts can be up to five years in length, down from six under the 2005 CBA.[6]
Early Bird exceptionEdit
The lesser form of the Larry Bird exception is the "early Bird" exception. Free agents who qualify for this exception are called "early qualifying veteran free agents", and qualify after playing two seasons with the same team. Players that are traded or claimed off waivers have their Bird rights transferred to their new team. Prior to an arbitrator ruling in June 2012, all players that were waived and changed teams lost their Bird rights.[25][26] Using this exception, a team can re-sign its own free agent for either 175% of his salary the previous season, or the NBA's average salary, whichever is greater. Early Bird contracts must be for at least two seasons, but can last no longer than four seasons. If a team agrees to a trade that would make a player lose his Early Bird Rights, he has the power to veto the trade.
A much-publicized example for this was Devean George, who vetoed his inclusion into a larger trade during the 2007–08 season that would have sent him from the Dallas Mavericks to the New Jersey Nets.
Non-Bird exceptionEdit
"Non-qualifying free agents" (those who do not qualify under either the Larry Bird exception or the early Bird exception) are subject to the non-Bird exception. Under this exception, teams can re-sign a player to a contract beginning at either 120% of his salary for the previous season, or 120% of the league's minimum salary, whichever amount is higher. Contracts signed under the Non-Bird exception can last up to four years (down from six under the 2005 CBA).
Minimum Salary ExceptionEdit
Teams can sign players for the NBA's minimum salary even if they are over the cap, for up to two years in length. In the case of two-year contracts, the second-season salary is the minimum salary for that season. The contract may not contain a signing bonus. This exception also allows minimum-salary players to be acquired via trade. There is no limit to the number of players that can be signed or acquired using this exception.
Traded Player ExceptionEdit
If a team trades away a player with a higher salary than the player they acquire in return (the deal hereafter referred to as "Trade #1"), they receive a Traded Player Exception, also known as a "Trade Exception". Teams with a trade exception have up to a year in which they can acquire more salary in other trades (Trade #2, #3, etc.) than they send away, as long as the gulf in salaries for Trade #2, #3, etc. are less than or equal to the difference in salary for Trade #1. This exception is particularly useful when teams trade draft picks directly for a player; since draft picks have no salary value, often the only way to get salaries to match is to use a trade exception, which allows trades to be made despite unbalanced salaries. It is also useful to compensate teams for losing free agents, as they can do a sign and trade of that free agent to acquire a trade exception that can be used later. Note this exception is for single player trades only, though additional cash and draft picks can be part of the trade.
Disabled Player ExceptionEdit
Allows a team that is over the cap to acquire a replacement for a disabled player who will be out for either the remainder of that season (for in-season injuries/deaths) or the next season (if the disability occurs during the offseason). The maximum salary of the replacement player is either 50% of the injured player's salary, or the mid-level exception for a non-taxpaying team, whichever is less. This exception requires an NBA-designated doctor to verify the extent of the injury. Under the 2005 CBA, a team could sign a player under this exception for five years; the 2011 CBA now allows this only for one year.[6]
Note that while teams can often use one exception to sign multiple players, they cannot use a combination of exceptions to sign a single player.
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