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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 16, 2015 10:42:41 GMT
I've never specified whether a team can use their MLE if they reach the cap. I am definitely erring on the side of the answer being "no" though, because then teams will propose a signing which uses part of their remaining cap space AND their MLE to follow, which is obviously wrong.
Secondly the other issue is - what if a team goes over the cap due to trades? Or what if a team is over the cap once the regular season starts? Do they only miss out on the MLE if they are under the cap during the Off Season?
I need to clarify these things better, but it's pretty clear to me that the Nets do not get the MLE, having started the off season $50m under the cap. Also the Nets do not need to use their MLE to sign Ben Gordon.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 16, 2015 11:00:37 GMT
I'm pretty sure everyone gets the MLE, regardless of cap situation. That's how it works in 2k franchise mode at least.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 16, 2015 11:02:32 GMT
Like JR said, teams under the cap get less MLE, but they still get MLE. Teams over the luxury tax line (cough Alex cough) do not get the full MLE either.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 16, 2015 11:16:50 GMT
Like JR said, teams under the cap get less MLE, but they still get MLE. Teams over the luxury tax line (cough Alex cough) do not get the full MLE either. That's not how the NBA works, it sounds like that's what you're saying but that's not true. The MLE is ONLY for teams over the cap. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 16, 2015 11:59:06 GMT
Like JR said, teams under the cap get less MLE, but they still get MLE. Teams over the luxury tax line (cough Alex cough) do not get the full MLE either. That's not how the NBA works, it sounds like that's what you're saying but that's not true. The MLE is ONLY for teams over the cap. I don't have time to read over it right now, but I'm pretty sure this IS how the real nba works. www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25 |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 16, 2015 12:41:41 GMT
That's not how the NBA works, it sounds like that's what you're saying but that's not true. The MLE is ONLY for teams over the cap. I don't have time to read over it right now, but I'm pretty sure this IS how the real nba works. www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25I don't have time either, but maybe we are talking about two different things possibly? Because why would teams under the cap need an exception that allows them to go over the cap? I don't claim to be an absolute expert, but I remember looking at don't of this stuff every year as a Knicks fan because we were always way over the cap for a long time. It's called an exception. An exception to the salary cap. If you're just talking about teams that are at, say, 3 million under the cap, then yea I think they also get an exception. |
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Post by JR Wiles on Jul 16, 2015 12:53:14 GMT
I don't have time either, but maybe we are talking about two different things possibly? Because why would teams under the cap need an exception that allows them to go over the cap? I don't claim to be an absolute expert, but I remember looking at don't of this stuff every year as a Knicks fan because we were always way over the cap for a long time. It's called an exception. An exception to the salary cap. If you're just talking about teams that are at, say, 3 million under the cap, then yea I think they also get an exception. I had already posted how the exception works. All you guys had to do is read it.. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 16, 2015 12:54:39 GMT
NON-TAXPAYER MID-LEVEL EXCEPTION
This exception is available only when a team is below the "apron" (i.e., not paying luxury tax, or less than $4 million above the tax line).
2015-16 $5.464 million
TAXPAYER MID-LEVEL EXCEPTION
This exception is available only when a team is above the "apron" (i.e., with a team salary $4 million or more above the tax line).
2015-16 $3.376 million
ROOM MID-LEVEL EXCEPTION
This exception is available only to teams that drop far enough below the cap to use cap room, and lose their Bi-Annual, Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level and Taxpayer Mid-Level exceptions (see question number 26).
2015-16 $2.814 million
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 16, 2015 12:54:40 GMT
That's not how the NBA works, it sounds like that's what you're saying but that's not true. The MLE is ONLY for teams over the cap. I don't have time to read over it right now, but I'm pretty sure this IS how the real nba works. www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25OK I read some of it. Are you talking about the Non-Taxpayer MLE vs. The Taxpayer MLE? |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 16, 2015 12:57:03 GMT
NON-TAXPAYER MID-LEVEL EXCEPTION This exception is available only when a team is below the "apron" (i.e., not paying luxury tax, or less than $4 million above the tax line). 2015-16 $5.464 million TAXPAYER MID-LEVEL EXCEPTION This exception is available only when a team is above the "apron" (i.e., with a team salary $4 million or more above the tax line). 2015-16 $3.376 million ROOM MID-LEVEL EXCEPTION This exception is available only to teams that drop far enough below the cap to use cap room, and lose their Bi-Annual, Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level and Taxpayer Mid-Level exceptions (see question number 26). 2015-16 $2.814 million That's what I thought. These are referring to being over the hard cap (called the apron or the luxury tax line). Since in the NBA it's not an actual hard cap. Teams can go over even that line and just need to pay extra tax on that money. ALL of these exceptions only kick in when a team is over the soft cap. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 16, 2015 12:58:53 GMT
The ROOM is only available to teams under the Cap... it is basically an MLE for teams that have cap room
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 16, 2015 13:01:23 GMT
Also the tax apron and the hard cap aren't the same thing, you're not allowed to go over hard cap in any circumstances
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 16, 2015 13:04:55 GMT
Also the tax apron and the hard cap aren't the same thing, you're not allowed to go over hard cap in any circumstances Fair but those two exceptions (Taxpayer and non Taxpayer) are referring to the apron, not the soft cap which is all we really care about for now in D5. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 16, 2015 13:08:46 GMT
Like, this is the very first part of your link, and its the part that some of you don't seem to understand:
The basic rule of the NBA's salary cap is that a team can't sign a player or make a trade that leaves the team's team salary above the cap, unless the team is using an exception. In a system with a soft cap, exceptions are the mechanisms that allow teams to function while above the cap. Some exceptions are available only for making trades, and are described in detail starting in question number 82. The exceptions available for signing players are as follows:
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Post by Alex English on Jul 16, 2015 18:49:22 GMT
That's not how the NBA works, it sounds like that's what you're saying but that's not true. The MLE is ONLY for teams over the cap. I don't have time to read over it right now, but I'm pretty sure this IS how the real nba works. www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25That is how it works now. But it's something new from the current CBA. Like what you posted, there is the Room MLE for teams that fall below the cap. But the full MLE, the nontaxpayer one, you only get if you're above the cap and below the apron. Our MLE came from the old CBA pre-lockout, when there was just the one MLE that you had to be over the cap to get. I guess because of how the MLE changed we could go either way and give it to teams who use up cap space, but that's not how it was designed to be used. EDIT: You guys basically said the same thing later. I should stop replying to posts mid way through the most recent posts list and scroll through the actual thread lol. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 17, 2015 14:27:19 GMT
The ROOM is only available to teams under the Cap... it is basically an MLE for teams that have cap room Not exactly. I'm reading the Room Exception to be like this: You start the offseason over the cap, so you get your MLE and/or Bi-Annual Exception (something we don't even use in D5). But, instead of signing someone, you decide to get under the cap. So, you make trades and clear cap. Eventually, your salary "falls" under the cap. Since you're not over the cap anymore, you lose your MLE and Bi-Annual Exception. You've now kind of maybe screwed yourself a little bit depending on how far under the cap you've managed to make your salary "fall". So, they give you the ROOM exception since you were over the cap but now you're not. We don't have anything like this, but even if Ian wanted to institute it I caution, the NBA version is only $2.814 million, not the full 5 million MLE. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 17, 2015 14:28:41 GMT
Also the tax apron and the hard cap aren't the same thing, you're not allowed to go over hard cap in any circumstances Also, the NBA doesn't even have a Hard Cap. All they have is the Soft Cap (the thing we use basically) and then the Apron which is when the Luxury Tax kicks in. Once they exceed the Apron they get extremely limited and basically can't add salary anymore but if they've legally added salary before that (signing BR players or s&t where they pick up money w/in the 125% rule) that is OK. But once they go over, they are very limited for that season other than minimum signings. |
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