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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 9, 2015 6:45:30 GMT
I mean, I really don't care what it "means" but you said they didn't do anything for a couple years. Stats are stats. Some players do NOT put up stats when given an opportunity. Or they don't even earn that opportunity during practices or college or the draft process, etc etc etc. Just b/c the team around them might not be good enough to make the playoffs doesn't mean their stats mean nothing. That's just silly IMO. Ill take the opposition here, for fun. Since we discuss this stuff around in the SW and even in the RC. The Philly team is the perfect example. Guys like Tony Worten putting up good numbers. But at the same time, we have to take them with a grain of salt. Sure, it shows that they can play and hang in the league, but the numbers are inflated. Just like how a team that runs has inflated numbers. More possessions equals more opportunity for points. We also are good at using the eye test on these types of players and looking at more advanced stats. I think a lot of us are good at recognizing these things in the Stock Watch when throwing ratings around. As a whole, I'd say we are ultra conservative for increasing young guys. And I'd also say that with the way we have the RC humming at the moment, we don't have to have the ultra conservative attitude anymore. Now, when we are talking about impact rookies that didn't go to the playoffs, that is a different story all together. Wiggins is different from Worten. Yes, I know Worten isn't a rookie, but just as a general comparison for young guys on bad teams. We have a highly praised guy in Wiggins, and a under the radar guy in Worten. Look at the Worten rating thread. We did a really good job of taking his stats with a grain of salt, you know? Now, the 2014 rookies, that is a different story all together. Everyone gets so wrapped up in the OVR number next to their name. But with the way the rookies are, and every other player, we need to look beyond the OVR. If a guy is good at shooting 3's in real life, he will be good at that in the game. Kyle Korver is the best example of this, we went to increase him, or at least someone put a Stock Watch up for him, and we showed the league his attributes and basically said that if we add more points to the OVR next to his name, we'd be increasing things that he doesn't do well. STOP THINKING OVERALL RATING IS EVERYTHING. I mean, if Korver isn't enough of an example, look at Dirk and Dallas and Danny, Danny Does Dallas. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 9, 2015 6:59:28 GMT
Who else feels that this draft deserves the hype of 2014 class than the 2014 themself? I think the 2014 class was hyped up because of Jabari and Wiggins, and even Randle. The mystique of Exum. The emergence of Embiid. Really, Randle got it rolling. Coming into the 2013-2014 college campaign as the number 1 recruit on a lot of sites. He was hyped, the Kentucky team was hyped. Then we had Kansas and everyone watching Wiggins and realizing this dude named Embiid is really good. And Jabari was doing his thing at Duke. And no one had seen or heard from Exum in months until he shows up working out with Kobe. I think the 2014 class had more project players 1-30, guys that could develop into elite players and their floor would be role players. The 2014 class also had no big men. Big men are boring. Big men take too long to develop and their path to development is almost always hindered by foot or back injuries, and these can derail a career. Which is why right now Winslow, Russell, and Mudiay are getting hyped. I think the 2015 class is deeper and more ready 1-15. But not more ready 1 thru 2, because even with Jabari's injury, he will still develop quicker than KAT and Okafor. And we saw Wiggins get out and run. But the later guys, if we will call 3-15 later, are more ready. I don't think they will be rated like the 2014 rookies, as we are taking great measures in the Rating Committee to not rate the 2015 guys that high, and taking greater measures to remedy our mistakes made with the 2014 guys. Those remedies and solutions will be seen throughout the off-season. The players are still who we think they are, we just need to knock the 2014 guys down a peg or two. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 9, 2015 9:09:18 GMT
The 1st pick in the 2015 Dynasty Five Draft will go to...
1. Memphis Grizzlies!!
Which means the 2nd pick goes to Washington!
2. Washington Wizards -
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 10:18:45 GMT
I mean, I really don't care what it "means" but you said they didn't do anything for a couple years. Stats are stats. Some players do NOT put up stats when given an opportunity. Or they don't even earn that opportunity during practices or college or the draft process, etc etc etc. Just b/c the team around them might not be good enough to make the playoffs doesn't mean their stats mean nothing. That's just silly IMO. Ill take the opposition here, for fun. Since we discuss this stuff around in the SW and even in the RC. The Philly team is the perfect example. Guys like Tony Worten putting up good numbers. But at the same time, we have to take them with a grain of salt. Sure, it shows that they can play and hang in the league, but the numbers are inflated. Just like how a team that runs has inflated numbers. More possessions equals more opportunity for points. We also are good at using the eye test on these types of players and looking at more advanced stats. I think a lot of us are good at recognizing these things in the Stock Watch when throwing ratings around. As a whole, I'd say we are ultra conservative for increasing young guys. And I'd also say that with the way we have the RC humming at the moment, we don't have to have the ultra conservative attitude anymore. Now, when we are talking about impact rookies that didn't go to the playoffs, that is a different story all together. Wiggins is different from Worten. Yes, I know Worten isn't a rookie, but just as a general comparison for young guys on bad teams. We have a highly praised guy in Wiggins, and a under the radar guy in Worten. Look at the Worten rating thread. We did a really good job of taking his stats with a grain of salt, you know? Now, the 2014 rookies, that is a different story all together. Everyone gets so wrapped up in the OVR number next to their name. But with the way the rookies are, and every other player, we need to look beyond the OVR. If a guy is good at shooting 3's in real life, he will be good at that in the game. Kyle Korver is the best example of this, we went to increase him, or at least someone put a Stock Watch up for him, and we showed the league his attributes and basically said that if we add more points to the OVR next to his name, we'd be increasing things that he doesn't do well. STOP THINKING OVERALL RATING IS EVERYTHING. I mean, if Korver isn't enough of an example, look at Dirk and Dallas and Danny, Danny Does Dallas. USE ADVANCED METRICS FOR PLAYERS ON TANK TEAMS |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 10:20:47 GMT
Who else feels that this draft deserves the hype of 2014 class than the 2014 themself? I think the 2014 class was hyped up because of Jabari and Wiggins, and even Randle. The mystique of Exum. The emergence of Embiid. Really, Randle got it rolling. Coming into the 2013-2014 college campaign as the number 1 recruit on a lot of sites. He was hyped, the Kentucky team was hyped. Then we had Kansas and everyone watching Wiggins and realizing this dude named Embiid is really good. And Jabari was doing his thing at Duke. And no one had seen or heard from Exum in months until he shows up working out with Kobe. I think the 2014 class had more project players 1-30, guys that could develop into elite players and their floor would be role players. The 2014 class also had no big men. Big men are boring. Big men take too long to develop and their path to development is almost always hindered by foot or back injuries, and these can derail a career. Which is why right now Winslow, Russell, and Mudiay are getting hyped. I think the 2015 class is deeper and more ready 1-15. But not more ready 1 thru 2, because even with Jabari's injury, he will still develop quicker than KAT and Okafor. And we saw Wiggins get out and run. But the later guys, if we will call 3-15 later, are more ready. I don't think they will be rated like the 2014 rookies, as we are taking great measures in the Rating Committee to not rate the 2015 guys that high, and taking greater measures to remedy our mistakes made with the 2014 guys. Those remedies and solutions will be seen throughout the off-season. The players are still who we think they are, we just need to knock the 2014 guys down a peg or two. OKAFUR IS A 16 ppg player in the NBA RIGHT NOW. He is going to RUN AWAY with ROTY if the retards move Pekovic. People like CHAD FORD don't even watch basketball. Anyone who thinks KAT is better than OKAFUR didn't watch a game of the regular season, and just reads BLURBs. DONT BE A BLURB READING DRAFTER! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 10:21:42 GMT
The 1st pick in the 2015 Dynasty Five Draft will go to... 1. Memphis Grizzlies!!Which means the 2nd pick goes to Washington! 2. Washington Wizards - NO ONE CARES WE HAVE TONY WROTEN STATS TO DISCUSS |
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Post by Jay Z on Jun 9, 2015 12:25:28 GMT
I think the 2014 class was hyped up because of Jabari and Wiggins, and even Randle. The mystique of Exum. The emergence of Embiid. Really, Randle got it rolling. Coming into the 2013-2014 college campaign as the number 1 recruit on a lot of sites. He was hyped, the Kentucky team was hyped. Then we had Kansas and everyone watching Wiggins and realizing this dude named Embiid is really good. And Jabari was doing his thing at Duke. And no one had seen or heard from Exum in months until he shows up working out with Kobe. I think the 2014 class had more project players 1-30, guys that could develop into elite players and their floor would be role players. The 2014 class also had no big men. Big men are boring. Big men take too long to develop and their path to development is almost always hindered by foot or back injuries, and these can derail a career. Which is why right now Winslow, Russell, and Mudiay are getting hyped. I think the 2015 class is deeper and more ready 1-15. But not more ready 1 thru 2, because even with Jabari's injury, he will still develop quicker than KAT and Okafor. And we saw Wiggins get out and run. But the later guys, if we will call 3-15 later, are more ready. I don't think they will be rated like the 2014 rookies, as we are taking great measures in the Rating Committee to not rate the 2015 guys that high, and taking greater measures to remedy our mistakes made with the 2014 guys. Those remedies and solutions will be seen throughout the off-season. The players are still who we think they are, we just need to knock the 2014 guys down a peg or two. OKAFUR IS A 16 ppg player in the NBA RIGHT NOW. He is going to RUN AWAY with ROTY if the retards move Pekovic. People like CHAD FORD don't even watch basketball. Anyone who thinks KAT is better than OKAFUR didn't watch a game of the regular season, and just reads BLURBs. DONT BE A BLURB READING DRAFTER! Is highlights on YouTube watching drafter Ok? Sent from my HTC One M9 using proboards |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 13:18:53 GMT
Congrats Memphis!
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 9, 2015 14:41:36 GMT
Tanking works! Congratz Memphis!
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 9, 2015 16:56:25 GMT
Video of the lottery happening:
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Post by Alex English on Jun 9, 2015 17:03:44 GMT
This is an outrage! I'm sorry to have to say this but Ian cheated you guys. This is not the result that I saw when I was connected to his PC. The real result was that I won all three of the top picks. While this may seem unbelievable I have the evidence to prove it:  Ian, I demand restitution! |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jun 9, 2015 21:11:09 GMT
I was expecting more of an Ian Noble rant during that video
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 9, 2015 21:24:16 GMT
I mean, I really don't care what it "means" but you said they didn't do anything for a couple years. Stats are stats. Some players do NOT put up stats when given an opportunity. Or they don't even earn that opportunity during practices or college or the draft process, etc etc etc. Just b/c the team around them might not be good enough to make the playoffs doesn't mean their stats mean nothing. That's just silly IMO. Ill take the opposition here, for fun. Since we discuss this stuff around in the SW and even in the RC. The Philly team is the perfect example. Guys like Tony Worten putting up good numbers. But at the same time, we have to take them with a grain of salt. Sure, it shows that they can play and hang in the league, but the numbers are inflated. Just like how a team that runs has inflated numbers. More possessions equals more opportunity for points. We also are good at using the eye test on these types of players and looking at more advanced stats. I think a lot of us are good at recognizing these things in the Stock Watch when throwing ratings around. As a whole, I'd say we are ultra conservative for increasing young guys. And I'd also say that with the way we have the RC humming at the moment, we don't have to have the ultra conservative attitude anymore. Now, when we are talking about impact rookies that didn't go to the playoffs, that is a different story all together. Wiggins is different from Worten. Yes, I know Worten isn't a rookie, but just as a general comparison for young guys on bad teams. We have a highly praised guy in Wiggins, and a under the radar guy in Worten. Look at the Worten rating thread. We did a really good job of taking his stats with a grain of salt, you know? Now, the 2014 rookies, that is a different story all together. Everyone gets so wrapped up in the OVR number next to their name. But with the way the rookies are, and every other player, we need to look beyond the OVR. If a guy is good at shooting 3's in real life, he will be good at that in the game. Kyle Korver is the best example of this, we went to increase him, or at least someone put a Stock Watch up for him, and we showed the league his attributes and basically said that if we add more points to the OVR next to his name, we'd be increasing things that he doesn't do well. STOP THINKING OVERALL RATING IS EVERYTHING. I mean, if Korver isn't enough of an example, look at Dirk and Dallas and Danny, Danny Does Dallas. You took the other side, I guess, but you made my point somewhere in there too. I hope to high heaven all of us know the difference between Tony Wroten as a young player on a bad team and Kevin Durant as a young player on a bad team. I don't think Wiggins' stats this year should be taken with MORE of a grain of salt just b/c his team didn't make the playoffs, though. That's kinda my point, I guess, when it's all said and done. And I don't that if he would have made the playoffs it should really make his stats mean any more than they do at this moment IRL when he didn't make the playoffs. It's a grind, guys. Players play pretty hard pretty much all of the time. Unless it's LeBron or only a very few other very high end guys, then it's kind of a given that they might play hardER in the playoffs. BUT, LeBron and those guys still put up insane #'s in the Regular Season so there is no need for us to ever ignore the regular season, and we don't need to give THAT much credit to Playoff Performance. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 9, 2015 21:24:38 GMT
I was expecting more of an Ian Noble rant during that video Agreed! When Ian let me in on the coin flip to decide tie-breakers he was a bit pissy haha. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 9, 2015 21:36:09 GMT
I was expecting more of an Ian Noble rant during that video Agreed! When Ian let me in on the coin flip to decide tie-breakers he was a bit pissy haha. I think it went something along the lines of: "Fucking Pelicans win... Thunder fucking beat me too... You fucking beat me also... Fucking hell" Or something thereabouts  |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 9, 2015 23:18:46 GMT
I was very disappointed that there was no sound, shoulda skyped it, so we could hear the outrage
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