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Post by James Kay on Feb 27, 2015 17:47:10 GMT
Is there anything we can do about this system? We are discussing the implementation of a hard cap because of the outrageous moves the over-the-cap teams have been able to pull ie Nuggets and Heat, but what about the way our system disfavors rebuilding teams? With no options for extensions, and no calculations for contracts(no scaling from their last contract), rebuilding teams are going to be forced to over-pay for players they’ve drafted. This is mainly motivated by Khris Middleton’s upcoming off-season, but I think it’s a valid point. Khris Middleton was drafted by Charlotte and now instead of the 700,000 I pay him this year, it’s gonna be an all out bidding war when, in my opinion, I should have some advantage since I drafted him. In the real NBA, that’s just not how it works. Any thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 17:51:43 GMT
Is there anything we can do about this system? We are discussing the implementation of a hard cap because of the outrageous moves the over-the-cap teams have been able to pull ie Nuggets and Heat, but what about the way our system disfavors rebuilding teams? With no options for extensions, and no calculations for contracts(no scaling from their last contract), rebuilding teams are going to be forced to over-pay for players they’ve drafted. This is mainly motivated by Khris Middleton’s upcoming off-season, but I think it’s a valid point. Khris Middleton was drafted by Charlotte and now instead of the 700,000 I pay him this year, it’s gonna be an all out bidding war when, in my opinion, I should have some advantage since I drafted him. In the real NBA, that’s just not how it works. Any thoughts? I think there have been rumblings of making rookie contracts 4 years (5 is too long) and making them RFAs.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 27, 2015 17:53:00 GMT
Deal 2 of the 2nd rounder rookie deal gives you bird rights on the player.
I agree though, I would rather see restricted free agency be implemented instead of a hard cap. But then again, the way our bird rights works, its basically the same thing as RFA except the player is allowed to leave if your team sucks.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 27, 2015 19:47:31 GMT
I would be for implementing in-season contract extensions; I would also be for a form of RFA, where the contract after the rookie deal is limited in salary and the original rookie contract is only 4 years with the 5th year being the qualifying offer if the team and player cannot reach an agreement while OSFA is in play.
In the cases of player's drafted in the second round, most teams choose the 3 year option. Now, with that 3 year deal, when it ends, does the player become an URFA? For example, IRL is Draymond Green going to be an unrestricted free agent this off-season disallowing the chance for GSW to match a contract offer but rather have regular BRs on him and are able to offer him more money than any other team along with the 5th year?
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 27, 2015 21:02:45 GMT
In season extensions will never happen because...
Imagine you try to extend your player's contract mid-season. You fail. You've got the player on your team anyway for the rest of the season. Basically you'll just trade them as soon as possible so someone else can have a try.
Also I would like to actually limit the extent to which we complicate the rules for my sake, but also for the sake of newbie GMs who haven't had months to read up on things. The "barriers to entry" to becoming a GM here shouldn't be too ridiculous and I think we're reaching a critical point.
The drafting team already has the advantage here at D5, a huge advantage: Bird Rights, which are so advantageous people have suggested finding ways to make them weaker.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 27, 2015 21:20:04 GMT
In season extensions will never happen because... Imagine you try to extend your player's contract mid-season. You fail. You've got the player on your team anyway for the rest of the season. Basically you'll just trade them as soon as possible so someone else can have a try. Also I would like to actually limit the extent to which we complicate the rules for my sake, but also for the sake of newbie GMs who haven't had months to read up on things. The "barriers to entry" to becoming a GM here shouldn't be too ridiculous and I think we're reaching a critical point. The drafting team already has the advantage here at D5, a huge advantage: Bird Rights, which are so advantageous people have suggested finding ways to make them weaker. I tend to disagree. For example, if Mike and the Clips tried to extend Melo, like the Knicks did, and he says "No", Mike wouldn't go and trade him, because he would still have his BRs and the advantage in re-signing him. Some players just want to test the open market and become a free agent, then they get scared of the waters, realize where the money is and the loyalty lies, and comes back home. Just because a player says no to a contract extension, doesn't mean they won't resign. I think if we broke it down in numbers to how many times a player denied an extension and tested the open market, I bet the majority would have returned to their previous teams, even though they declined the extension. I do agree on all of your other points Ian. But I think RFA needs to be considered, it would solve the issue of the hard cap, or at least limit it, that is, if we limit the amount of salary in the RFA contract like the NBA does.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 27, 2015 21:43:35 GMT
These young bloods don't know you just need to cut a player mid-season and use your cap room to re-sign him
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 21:52:36 GMT
These young bloods don't know you just need to cut a player mid-season and use your cap room to re-sign him Thats been illegal for centuries... it is written in rule book and called the "Josh Barber Rule". No one is quite sure where it came from or how it got its name...
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 27, 2015 21:56:21 GMT
These young bloods don't know you just need to cut a player mid-season and use your cap room to re-sign him Thats been illegal for centuries... it is written in rule book and called the "Josh Barber Rule". No one is quite sure where it came from or how it got its name... Oh, I think you know of how it came to be Mr. King.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 21:57:27 GMT
Thats been illegal for centuries... it is written in rule book and called the "Josh Barber Rule". No one is quite sure where it came from or how it got its name... Oh, I think you know of how it came to be Mr. King. fucking drop this bullshit. i dont care who you think i am but stop following me around and trolling me please.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 27, 2015 22:00:10 GMT
Someone should do a 30 for 30 series on D5. That maneuver got a rule added to the rulebook and started the Utah Bad Boys era. It's interesting looking back now too how pissed everyone was and then now how much Lance has sucked this season
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 27, 2015 22:02:12 GMT
"What if I told you that one trade... would destroy a franchise"
30 for 30 the Paul George Effect
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 27, 2015 22:03:08 GMT
"What if I told you that what you say in the shoutbox... can change history forever."
30 for 30 the Tim Duncan Scandal
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 22:03:52 GMT
"What if I told you that one trade... would destroy a franchise" 30 for 30 the Paul George Effect Paul Georges dad's name is Paul George... and his moms name is Paulette. No lie.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 27, 2015 22:11:50 GMT
"What if I told you....a team gave up 4 first rounders for Derrick Rose while he was injured"
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 27, 2015 23:12:22 GMT
"What if I told you....a team gave up 4 first rounders for Derrick Rose while he was injured" I'll see your Four 1sts for Rose and raise you Six 1sts for Rajon Rondo mere months before his stock started to fall. I guess it probably helped that the NBA Celtics rebuild coincided with my own Celtics rebuild. Rajon's stock declined since Ainge's rebuild began. I still absolutely love Rondo's game though, still my favourite player in the league if I had to choose one. edit: In retrospect that Rondo trade was the single most defining moment in my entire time at D5. I'm so proud of spending every waking hour working on that trade. Even when I was in the gym I would be jogging on the treadmills piecing together deals in my mind. Originally Toronto was supposed to be in that trade. I could go on, but damn that's why I made the whole freakin' league.
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Post by Sam Bowie on Feb 27, 2015 23:14:58 GMT
"What if I told you....a team gave up 4 first rounders for Derrick Rose while he was injured" I'll see your Four 1sts for Rose and raise you Six 1sts for Rajon Rondo mere months before his stock started to fall. I guess it probably helped that the NBA Celtics rebuild coincided with my own Celtics rebuild. Rajon's stock declined since Ainge's rebuild began. I still absolutely love Rondo's game though, still my favourite player in the league if I had to choose one. It would be funny if you sign Rondo back as a FA.
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 27, 2015 23:16:32 GMT
I'll see your Four 1sts for Rose and raise you Six 1sts for Rajon Rondo mere months before his stock started to fall. I guess it probably helped that the NBA Celtics rebuild coincided with my own Celtics rebuild. Rajon's stock declined since Ainge's rebuild began. I still absolutely love Rondo's game though, still my favourite player in the league if I had to choose one. It would be funny if you sign Rondo back as a FA. I did threaten poor Mr Longley that I might try to do that. I don't think I'd have much luck though considering the Mavs lead the league right now.
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Post by Sam Bowie on Feb 27, 2015 23:21:39 GMT
It would be funny if you sign Rondo back as a FA. I did threaten poor Mr Longley that I might try to do that. I don't think I'd have much luck though considering the Mavs lead the league right now. If you combine that trade with the Kings trade. You pretty much got 8 1sts for Rondo. Crazy.
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Post by Sam Bowie on May 7, 2015 5:02:55 GMT
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Post by Blake Bowman on May 7, 2015 14:26:47 GMT
"What if I told you that one trade... would destroy a franchise" 30 for 30 the Paul George Effect The franchise isn't destroyed, our future is very tight butthole.
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Post by Charles Barkley on May 7, 2015 19:27:54 GMT
I feel like the Kevin Love trade is going to be a 30 for 30 in here.
I fuckin lost that trade so hard it isn't even funny. As soon as Oladipo was put into the trade discussions and then traded, he went from being "ok he has some potential" to "wow this kid is going to be good"
Edit: You can literally even check the dates on when he was traded in here to when he went ape shit in real life
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 7, 2015 20:33:49 GMT
I feel like the Kevin Love trade is going to be a 30 for 30 in here. I fuckin lost that trade so hard it isn't even funny. As soon as Oladipo was put into the trade discussions and then traded, he went from being "ok he has some potential" to "wow this kid is going to be good" Edit: You can literally even check the dates on when he was traded in here to when he went ape shit in real life Walt Frazier: Making the right move at the right time. Mainly that's luck but I have done it a few times successfully, I just better keep doing it!
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Post by Charles Barkley on May 7, 2015 20:45:15 GMT
I feel like the Kevin Love trade is going to be a 30 for 30 in here. I fuckin lost that trade so hard it isn't even funny. As soon as Oladipo was put into the trade discussions and then traded, he went from being "ok he has some potential" to "wow this kid is going to be good" Edit: You can literally even check the dates on when he was traded in here to when he went ape shit in real life Walt Frazier: Making the right move at the right time. Mainly that's luck but I have done it a few times successfully, I just better keep doing it! Like literally, look at our trade date, then look at his stats from that point on. Its just like he knew. He must have known. The only thing that has made up for that is that Adam and his team is looking like a high lotto. Also, fuckin Clint Capela was beasting the last month of the season. I can draft right. I just can't make trades. I think I am done trading unless for sure I know what I am giving away and what I am getting.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 8, 2015 14:32:11 GMT
Walt Frazier: Making the right move at the right time. Mainly that's luck but I have done it a few times successfully, I just better keep doing it! Like literally, look at our trade date, then look at his stats from that point on. Its just like he knew. He must have known. The only thing that has made up for that is that Adam and his team is looking like a high lotto. Also, fuckin Clint Capela was beasting the last month of the season. I can draft right. I just can't make trades. I think I am done trading unless for sure I know what I am giving away and what I am getting. In the old league I once traded away Russell Westbrook for OJ Mayo "because I wanted a pure SG". Sometimes it takes a tragedy to learn from your mistakes
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