|
Post by Ian Noble on Jun 21, 2015 20:35:56 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jun 21, 2015 21:36:18 GMT
Pick based on who you think the best player is. Period. If they are good in real life they'll be good in D5.
|
|
|
Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 22, 2015 2:24:47 GMT
Do you remember that draft though? Everyone is an expert in hindsight man. The allure of a star 7 footer is still tremendous, and it is in a league now where no one cares about big men. But back then, when Shaq was still destroying people, Duncan was in his prime, and the images of Ewing, Hakeem, and Zo, and the rest were still vivid in everyone's minds, that allure of Darko was HUGE!! I mean, was he the right pick? No. Was he the right pick then? Probably not. But everyone had him higher than Bosh. And Dumars drafted for need. I understand what you are saying and usually agree with you on issues like this, but Darko was SOOOOOOOOO bad! If you must draft for need, which Melo can play PF but whatever, then, I can't believe I am saying this, take Bosh. We were like the same age when this draft occurred man. Do you not remember the stuff surrounding the draft? I do really well because I loved basketball then, this was before LeBron James ripped my heart out and took a shit on it. When he was the savior and I watched him cherry pick in high school basketball. From what I can remember, there wasn't "hype" around Darko. LeBron James was the most hyped player of all time coming out of high school. But Darko was probably the most "intriguing" player ever. He had this mystery about him. He was Dante Exum intrigue times 100. Who was this tall white dude with an old Beatles hair cut? And could he handle contact (sounds like all the Euro bigs)? I don't know. To me, I can see why the Pistons took him at 2. Sometimes intrigue isn't a good thing, and Darko is living proof of that. I am not arguing that it was the right pick by the Pistons. I am just simply saying I am trying to put myself in their shoes and I see why they did what they did. I don't agree with it, and I probably wouldn't have done that. Because everyone knows in basketball you draft the best available regardless of your roster, and I knew that when I was 15.
|
|
|
Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 22, 2015 5:25:18 GMT
What I found most intriguing about this was that they called Russell a "lesser Steph Curry" I do not understand where they got that from. Russell strikes me more as a young Chris Paul. Not a sharp shooter.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
May 3, 2024 9:34:04 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 9:08:24 GMT
I understand what you are saying and usually agree with you on issues like this, but Darko was SOOOOOOOOO bad! If you must draft for need, which Melo can play PF but whatever, then, I can't believe I am saying this, take Bosh. We were like the same age when this draft occurred man. Do you not remember the stuff surrounding the draft? I do really well because I loved basketball then, this was before LeBron James ripped my heart out and took a shit on it. When he was the savior and I watched him cherry pick in high school basketball. From what I can remember, there wasn't "hype" around Darko. LeBron James was the most hyped player of all time coming out of high school. But Darko was probably the most "intriguing" player ever. He had this mystery about him. He was Dante Exum intrigue times 100. Who was this tall white dude with an old Beatles hair cut? And could he handle contact (sounds like all the Euro bigs)? I don't know. To me, I can see why the Pistons took him at 2. Sometimes intrigue isn't a good thing, and Darko is living proof of that. I am not arguing that it was the right pick by the Pistons. I am just simply saying I am trying to put myself in their shoes and I see why they did what they did. I don't agree with it, and I probably wouldn't have done that. Because everyone knows in basketball you draft the best available regardless of your roster, and I knew that when I was 15. To quote Boobie Miles "hype is something that's not real; I'm all real!" In reality he could not handle contact, his jump shot was nothing special, and, to be honest, he really sucked. A person's job as a GM, in this case Joe Dumars, is to make sure you do not make silly picks based on "intrigue" and he obviously did not do that.
|
|
|
Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jun 22, 2015 17:12:24 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Ian Noble on Jun 22, 2015 17:27:49 GMT
It does seem to be pretty much a forgone conclusion that Towns is going to Minnesota.
|
|
|
Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 23, 2015 2:00:00 GMT
Willie Cauley-Stein
I think this man is the most unique prospect in this year's draft. In my memory, he is the only one that enters the NBA being touted as a player that can guard 1-5 by the majority. Then add to that is his speed and athleticism and you got a great prospect that can turn out to be a monster.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
May 3, 2024 9:34:04 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 2:57:41 GMT
Willie Cauley-Stein I think this man is the most unique prospect in this year's draft. In my memory, he is the only one that enters the NBA being touted as a player that can guard 1-5 by the majority. Then add to that is his speed and athleticism and you got a great prospect that can turn out to be a monster. The problem is the kind of play you describe would only be rewarded in a league like this if he made it to a deep run playoff team.
|
|
Spike Lee
Former Knicks GM
Sophomore
Posts: 366
Sept 15, 2018 22:53:48 GMT
|
Post by Spike Lee on Jun 24, 2015 9:18:08 GMT
Willie Cauley-Stein I think this man is the most unique prospect in this year's draft. In my memory, he is the only one that enters the NBA being touted as a player that can guard 1-5 by the majority. Then add to that is his speed and athleticism and you got a great prospect that can turn out to be a monster. The problem is the kind of play you describe would only be rewarded in a league like this if he made it to a deep run playoff team. which is exactly why where a player ends up drafted has a lot of influence of a player in d5
|
|
|
Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 24, 2015 23:13:01 GMT
Willie Cauley-Stein I think this man is the most unique prospect in this year's draft. In my memory, he is the only one that enters the NBA being touted as a player that can guard 1-5 by the majority. Then add to that is his speed and athleticism and you got a great prospect that can turn out to be a monster. The problem is the kind of play you describe would only be rewarded in a league like this if he made it to a deep run playoff team. I love WCS. And think he has the highest floor of anyone in this years draft. He comes in to the league ready to defend every position. If you were to put him on the Cavs, they would be the best defensive team in the NBA. GMs fall in love with all this hype and intrigue and upside and wingspan. I mean, yeah everyone wants a guy to transform their franchise. But who the fuck doesn't need an interior post man who can guard on the switch on the pick and roll? Everyone can use a WCS. But these teams man, these teams think that Russell is going to be Magic and Mudiay is the next Rose and Prozingas is the next Dirk. Fuck that shit. WCS is who he is. And he will be who he is. I don't get why these teams don't like him.
|
|
|
Post by Ian Noble on Jun 25, 2015 8:35:53 GMT
You can understand why Owners want some kind of 2-year-College-minimum or something. It makes prospects a lot easier to read. Team Owners have a lot riding on rookie picks and one year of College is often not enough to judge players properly. The extra year or two in College would erase any doubt.
Cauley-Stein is a pretty old rookie at 22, but you already know exactly how he'll fit into an NBA team. Okafor is a better prospect but his floor is a lot lower than Cauley-Stein.
edit: personally I feel like the doubt over a player's potential is all part of the enjoyment of judging prospects, but then I don't have millions of dollars resting on any of this.
|
|
|
Post by Ian Noble on Oct 12, 2015 13:01:49 GMT
D'angelo Russell looked like a point-guard-god against that Israeli team last night. 11 assists in like 15 minutes or something.
|
|
|
Post by Ian Noble on Oct 29, 2015 8:57:29 GMT
The 2015/16 season is starting so I'm going to share my draft board from last year:
Tier 1 1 Jahlil Okafor Biggest concern is knees, otherwise looks like Al Jeff/Tim Duncan 2 Karl Towns Solid option
Tier 2 3 D'Angelo Russell Chris Paul arrogant, confident demeanour. Deadly but not speedy. 4 Emmanuel Mudiay Seriously intriguing. Jordanesqe drives. Fare better than Russell in the pros? Can't shoot.
Tier 2.5 5 Justise Winslow Faster than Stanley J, more fluid, more repertoire going on. 6 Stanley Johnson Hit his ceiling already? Compared to Justise, doesn't have eurostep, or step back, or any offensive artilliary
Tier 3 7 Jerian Grant PG version of Victor Oladipo 8 Kristaps Porzingis Decent ceiling, very low floor. 9 Willie Cauley-Stein Marcus Camby. Athletic freak. 10 Myles Turner Plompy beast 11 Sam Dekker Chris Mullin ceiling 12 Rondae Hollis-Jefferson Cannot shoot but otherwise amazing 13 Mario Hezonja Ben McLemore with arrogance
Tier 3.5 14 Terry Rozier Damian Lillard ceiling 15 Montrezl Harrell Ben Wallace ceiling with a jumpshot 16 Kelly Oubre A little bit Tayshaun Princey? Good shooter and defender but overall far too raw. 17 Frank Kaminsky Another Dirk-nopeful 18 Trey Lyles What is his role in the NBA? 19 Cameron Payne Steph Curryish 20 George Lucas de Paula Like a taller, but less skilled Rajon Rondo with crazy measurements.
Tier 4 21 Kris Dunn Impressive PG from Providence with no hops, can't finish. 22 Bobby Portis 23 Kevon Looney Not a PF, not a SF. Lamar Odom. 24 Devin Booker Will always be a non-entity, Gary Harris style 25 Caris LeVert A dopey Jamal Crawford
Tier 5 26 Cliff Alexander Only has an inside game, needs to be stronger/taller to perform inside in the NBA despite length. 27 Justin Anderson Explosive shooter but big and heavy. 28 Delon Wright Gangly, weak, bad shooter. Good D and passing.
Tier 6 29 Jarrell Martin Undersized PF 30 R.J. Hunter Rex Chapman 30 Jakob Poeltl Meh Timothe Luwawu 6'7” shooting guard from France Jake Layman Christian Wood Long, gangly, soft 6'11”er from UNLV, will get destroyed in the NBA. Robert Upshaw
Undrafted Lebryan Nash Sam Thompson (Ohio State) TJ McConnell (Arizona) Caleb Tarczewski (Arizona) Demetrius Jackson (Notre Dame) Zach Auguste (Notre Dame)
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
May 3, 2024 9:34:04 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2015 16:29:32 GMT
This is the draft board i had for the d5 draft, it changed a lot after summer league and preseason though
1 Jahlil Okafor 2 Emmanuel Mudiay
3 deangelo russell 4 justise winslow 5 Stanley Johnson 6 WCS
7 Booker 8 KAT 9 Montrezl Harrell 10 Frank the Tank 11 Christmas 12 Mario Hezonja
13 Oubre 14 RHJ 15 Dekker 16 Cliff Alexander 17 Christian Wood
18 Frazier 19 Bobby Portis 20 Rashad Vaughn 21 Harrison #1 22 Harirson @2
23 Quinn Cook 24 Delon Wright 25 Jordan Mickey 26 TJ McConnell 27 Jerian Grant 28 Dakari Johnson
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
May 3, 2024 9:34:04 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2015 16:33:33 GMT
this is my rankings of players for a draft that is going on right now
1 Okafor 2 Mudiay 3 Hezonja 4 Stanley Johnson 5 Kristaps 6 KAT 7 Russell 8 WCS 9 Bobby Portis 10 Frank the Tank 11 Harrell 12 Booker 13 Jerian Grant 14 Vaughn 15 Cameron Payne 16 Oubre 17 Rozier 18 Myles Turner 19 Justin Anderson 20 RHH 21 Jordan Mickey 22 Christmas 23 Larry Nance Jr 24 Kevon Looney 25 Tyus Jones 26 Joseph Young 27 Norman Powell 28 Milutinov
|
|
|
Post by Jeremiah Hill on Oct 29, 2015 20:24:53 GMT
Karl Towns is gonna be a more offensive minded version of Anthony Davis.
|
|
|
Post by James Kay on Oct 29, 2015 21:21:10 GMT
this is my rankings of players for a draft that is going on right now 1 Okafor 2 Mudiay 3 Hezonja 4 Stanley Johnson 5 Kristaps 6 KAT 7 Russell 8 WCS 9 Bobby Portis 10 Frank the Tank 11 Harrell 12 Booker 13 Jerian Grant 14 Vaughn 15 Cameron Payne 16 Oubre 17 Rozier 18 Myles Turner 19 Justin Anderson 20 RHH 21 Jordan Mickey 22 Christmas 23 Larry Nance Jr 24 Kevon Looney 25 Tyus Jones 26 Joseph Young 27 Norman Powell 28 Milutinov lol what happened to justise!?
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
May 3, 2024 9:34:04 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2015 22:01:32 GMT
this is my rankings of players for a draft that is going on right now 1 Okafor 2 Mudiay 3 Hezonja 4 Stanley Johnson 5 Kristaps 6 KAT 7 Russell 8 WCS 9 Bobby Portis 10 Frank the Tank 11 Harrell 12 Booker 13 Jerian Grant 14 Vaughn 15 Cameron Payne 16 Oubre 17 Rozier 18 Myles Turner 19 Justin Anderson 20 RHH 21 Jordan Mickey 22 Christmas 23 Larry Nance Jr 24 Kevon Looney 25 Tyus Jones 26 Joseph Young 27 Norman Powell 28 Milutinov lol what happened to justise!? He is dead to me! But no, i'd put him between russell and WCS. Jeremiah Hill you're crazy if you think KAT is going to be anywhere close to AD. Absolutely nuts. You're gonna regret passing on Okafor.
|
|
|
Post by Ian Noble on Oct 30, 2015 8:35:40 GMT
Mudiay really delivered in his first game, I actually am impressed that he's not worried about the 11 turnovers.
Both Mudiay and Okafor look like they'll be the guys challenging for ROTY, but I feel like that's mostly because they're in situations where they can be ball dominant. Although Okafor is such an offensive beast I think he could average 20ppg on the Lakers even with Kobe playing out his final chuck-show.
|
|
|
Post by Jeremiah Hill on Oct 30, 2015 19:57:16 GMT
The issue is that guys like KAT do things that just make you go WOW, I can't believe he can do that this young. You get the same thing with Porzingis. You don't get that with Okafor or a guy like Russell. Russell is basically shittier Harden and Okafor is the same back to the basket that isn't really relevant in todays NBA. Hes good and has moves but its not like he's the second coming of Kareem or something.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
May 3, 2024 9:34:04 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2015 20:02:57 GMT
The issue is that guys like KAT do things that just make you go WOW, I can't believe he can do that this young. You get the same thing with Porzingis. You don't get that with Okafor or a guy like Russell. Russell is basically shittier Harden and Okafor is the same back to the basket that isn't really relevant in todays NBA. Hes good and has moves but its not like he's the second coming of Kareem or something. Yeah because Marc Gasol, Tim Duncan and Big Al aren't relevent in today NBA
|
|
|
Post by Ian Noble on Oct 30, 2015 20:12:48 GMT
That turnaround jumper KAT had against the Lakers was amazing. I remember scouting KAT before the 2014 draft, and back then it looked like he might drop to 5th or something and I could've picked him up if my pick fell, but then he produced so well for UK he obviously went 1st.
|
|
|
Post by Jeremiah Hill on Oct 31, 2015 0:37:30 GMT
Marc Gasol, Tim Duncan have developed midrange games along with in order, superior defense and passing, great rim protection and passing, and Al Jefferson is a great scorer but does nothing else.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
May 3, 2024 9:34:04 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2015 1:09:10 GMT
Marc Gasol, Tim Duncan have developed midrange games along with in order, superior defense and passing, great rim protection and passing, and Al Jefferson is a great scorer but does nothing else. Okafor is a great passer and has a good midrange game... and he blocks lots of shots.
|
|
|
Post by Ian Noble on Oct 31, 2015 10:19:47 GMT
Townz!!! What a game.
|
|
|
Post by Brandon Roy on Nov 2, 2015 0:30:20 GMT
Towns will be better than Okafor
|
|