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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 1:51:56 GMT
Seems like this class might be deeper but I am taking Wiggins over EVERY player in this draft.
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 16, 2015 1:59:48 GMT
Or any Euro big that has a jumper Yeah, but Detroit made the WORSE draft decision in NBA history to take him over Melo, Wade, and Bosh. You can say Melo, but at the time the big three of that draft was undoubtedly Lebron, Darko, and Melo. But they had Tayshaun and needed size before they got Sheed. 20/20 hindsight, they never would have done it.. They did win a title though.
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Post by Sam Bowie on Jun 16, 2015 2:39:08 GMT
It was Lebron or Melo. Only Pistons would have taken Milicic over Anthony. Melo was almost like a sure future star back then.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 3:59:28 GMT
1. Melo can play PF 2. Darko sucks, period, end of statement.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 16, 2015 10:04:39 GMT
Joe Dumars never struck me as being a great drafter, after he picked KCP he was interviewed and said he always drafted based on need, realised KCP wasn't his top choice but wanted a SG and took him anyway, even though McLemore and Oladipo were the guys he was targeting. If he used the same thought process to pass on Melo then wow!
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Post by Sam Bowie on Jun 16, 2015 16:16:11 GMT
That is exactly what he did. They didn't need a scorer and they went by the idea "You can't never have enough quality big men". Darko was a mistery back then. No one though he was as good as Lebron and Melo but some scouts believed he had big potential and eventually, he would become a star. His young age and his height helped as well. The pick was stupid right from the start. Why would you pick a player that could eventually be as good as 2 other players in the draft when you have the 2nd pick? Maybe, Pistons should have traded it instead...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 21:03:07 GMT
Who are professional scouts comparing Mudiay too?
He looks like John Wall to me. Holy shit, I finally watched the videos of him and he is really really really good. I'd take him over Russell 100/100.
Really my board looks like this:
Oka Winslow Mudiay KAT Russell other shit
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 18, 2015 20:05:31 GMT
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 18, 2015 23:35:59 GMT
Russell-Rubio-Wiggins-Dieng-Pekovic Hmm. Lavine may be the odd man out.
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jun 19, 2015 1:12:37 GMT
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 20, 2015 1:25:00 GMT
Yeah, but Detroit made the WORSE draft decision in NBA history to take him over Melo, Wade, and Bosh. nope. The Worse decision that they have made is when they hire Larry Brown. They still won a ring before LeBron, Melo, and Bosh. Wasn't a franchise crippling decision, but yes, it was probably the worst draft decision of all time relative to what they could have had vs what they got. And it isn't just like they drafted Johnny Flynn over some other dude that was an All-Star. They drafted Darko, who was probably had the highest ratio of most hyped vs actual production, and passed on 3 FRANCHISE changing prospects, not just All-Stars, 3 HOFers.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 20, 2015 1:30:24 GMT
Then a guy named Giannis Antetekoumpo came. Giannis isn't a post player so it's a little different, he doesn't get pushed around as much. But even still, Giannis didn't do shit his rookie season, and he showed flashes this season, but still only put up 12.7 ppg and 6.7 rpg. He'll get there though. I think Giannis came into the league 2 years away from a college prospect, which means roughly 4 years away from actual All-Star level production. Usually the 3rd or 4th year is the big year on a rookie deal, usually. When Giannis came over, he was so raw both basketball wise and athletically. I think athletically he is there now, and he has the correct mental approach to the game and understands it, but he is still a ways away from being anywhere close to polished basketball wise. When I looked at his stats from this year, I was surprised to see his 3PT stats being awful. But then his attempts were way down. And I am wondering if Jason Kidd has a lot to do with it. But with the line-up of MCW-Middleton-Parker-Giannis, I only see Middleton with a good 3PT shot, which means Giannis needs to work on that a lot, but at least he had the mindset this year of, "im not good at the 3 yet, let me just beast on these kids inside because I am so much quicker and bigger than them."
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 20, 2015 1:30:37 GMT
Hey Guys!
Just wanna ask if there was a draft class where their top four turns out as starting caliber.
Coz if none, this class can be the first one.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 20, 2015 1:36:06 GMT
Seems like this class might be deeper but I am taking Wiggins over EVERY player in this draft. If I am an NBA franchise in need of a star player to carry me to a tittle, I am taking Towns. If I am in need of someone to take me to the playoffs and sell the most tickets, I am taking Wiggins. Now, to have both of those guys on the same team, that makes for a really good core. When you throw in Bennett stretching the floor at the 4, hopefully, and Lavine and Rubio in the back court, I love that line-up. But I am not sure Wiggins is a 3 yet. He isn't great off the dribble creating his own shot, and he can't exactly play in the post yet. But with time he will hopefully get there. I really hate it when these guys don't live up to the hype. To think about how that would take a toll on me mentally throughout my life, I'd probably kill myself. I wouldn't be like, "well at least I made 20 million". I can only imagine what it would feel like for an insane competitor to come so close to realizing their dream and fail.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 20, 2015 1:38:52 GMT
It was Lebron or Melo. Only Pistons would have taken Milicic over Anthony. Melo was almost like a sure future star back then. I think in the Melo vs Milicic debate, it is kind of like a Towns vs Parker debate. On one end, you have this guy who could be a franchise changing big, with the likes of Hakeem and a decent jumper. On the other end, you have this guy with a high floor but a little less upside. Pistons went upside, AS SO MANY TEAMS DO (teams in the NBA and NFL, almost always go with the upside). Melo came in and won the ROY and fits perfectly into the stretch 4 META.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 20, 2015 1:40:29 GMT
Hey Guys! Just wanna ask if there was a draft class where their top four turns out as starting caliber. Coz if none, this class can be the first one. Every draft CAN be the first one Michi, none of them are though. None of them are.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 20, 2015 1:42:30 GMT
Russell-Rubio-Wiggins-Dieng-Pekovic Hmm. Lavine may be the odd man out. I think a Russell-Rubio back court would be terrible, but better than a LaVine-Rubio back court. I don't like the idea of having two ball dominant guards. Rubio needs the ball to create or else he is just out there standing, because he isn't athletic and he can't shoot. Rubio limits their offense in a lot of ways, but, if they use him correctly, which they don't always, he is a synergistic catalyst that makes the team perform better and run at a higher caliber of play.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2015 10:32:21 GMT
It was Lebron or Melo. Only Pistons would have taken Milicic over Anthony. Melo was almost like a sure future star back then. I think in the Melo vs Milicic debate, it is kind of like a Towns vs Parker debate. On one end, you have this guy who could be a franchise changing big, with the likes of Hakeem and a decent jumper. On the other end, you have this guy with a high floor but a little less upside. Pistons went upside, AS SO MANY TEAMS DO (teams in the NBA and NFL, almost always go with the upside). Melo came in and won the ROY and fits perfectly into the stretch 4 META. I have more potential than Darko Milliac!
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Post by Spike Lee on Jun 20, 2015 15:17:52 GMT
yeah especially those work outs can make a player look way better than in real game situations.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 20, 2015 15:33:59 GMT
The more I watch of the Top 4, the more I think there's no consensus #1 this year. I was saying so to Jeremiah Hill in trade negotiations. Towns is great, but I don't feel like he's a consensus #1 the same way DRose, Kyrie, Blake Griffin, AD and John Wall were. And what does he excel at the way Okafor excels at offense? And if you pick him #1 here at D5 you're getting a guy whose ceiling is being 2nd Option to Andrew Wiggins right? A scrappy, high energy guy who can grabs the boards and defend the paint so other TWolves can score more? Okafor has that Timmy D/Al Jeff offensive game that's got him a contract for the rest of his career, but his downside is lack of effort in general, but mostly on D. Russell is like a taller but less athletic Chris Paul. And sometimes I think if Mudiay had gone to college and had that positive exposure he'd stand an equal chance at #1, but China and terrible shooting puts a question mark above his head. If Winslow or Hezonja or Porzingis jumps up on draft night we get extra shitstorm potential. This is a weird year for the draft!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2015 16:11:57 GMT
The more I watch of the Top 4, the more I think there's no consensus #1 this year. I was saying so to Jeremiah Hill in trade negotiations. Towns is great, but I don't feel like he's a consensus #1 the same way DRose, Kyrie, Blake Griffin, AD and John Wall were. And what does he excel at the way Okafor excels at offense? And if you pick him #1 here at D5 you're getting a guy whose ceiling is being 2nd Option to Andrew Wiggins right? A scrappy, high energy guy who can grabs the boards and defend the paint so other TWolves can score more? Okafor has that Timmy D/Al Jeff offensive game that's got him a contract for the rest of his career, but his downside is lack of effort in general, but mostly on D. Russell is like a taller but less athletic Chris Paul. And sometimes I think if Mudiay had gone to college and had that positive exposure he'd stand an equal chance at #1, but China and terrible shooting puts a question mark above his head. If Winslow or Hezonja or Porzingis jumps up on draft night we get extra shitstorm potential. This is a weird year for the draft! This is what I was telling Memphis last night, but with more nudging "DRAFT OKAFUR"
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 20, 2015 16:17:55 GMT
Another thing to add to my post above - Towns is a perfect fit for the real-life TWolves, but it's a different story here at D5 imho.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jun 20, 2015 18:30:52 GMT
Seems like this class might be deeper but I am taking Wiggins over EVERY player in this draft. I think that this draft is about equal with last year's draft. Every prospect this year outside of the top 2 seem to have very obvious warts to their game. Its up to you to find out what flaws you think are correctable/you are OK with.
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jun 20, 2015 21:50:51 GMT
The more I watch of the Top 4, the more I think there's no consensus #1 this year. I was saying so to Jeremiah Hill in trade negotiations. Towns is great, but I don't feel like he's a consensus #1 the same way DRose, Kyrie, Blake Griffin, AD and John Wall were. And what does he excel at the way Okafor excels at offense? And if you pick him #1 here at D5 you're getting a guy whose ceiling is being 2nd Option to Andrew Wiggins right? A scrappy, high energy guy who can grabs the boards and defend the paint so other TWolves can score more? Okafor has that Timmy D/Al Jeff offensive game that's got him a contract for the rest of his career, but his downside is lack of effort in general, but mostly on D. Russell is like a taller but less athletic Chris Paul. And sometimes I think if Mudiay had gone to college and had that positive exposure he'd stand an equal chance at #1, but China and terrible shooting puts a question mark above his head. If Winslow or Hezonja or Porzingis jumps up on draft night we get extra shitstorm potential. This is a weird year for the draft! Ian trying to throw out smokescreens so that Towns can fall to him...
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jun 20, 2015 22:51:42 GMT
Future teamates
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Post by Spike Lee on Jun 21, 2015 4:29:58 GMT
^^^this is cute
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 21, 2015 8:46:58 GMT
The more I watch of the Top 4, the more I think there's no consensus #1 this year. I was saying so to Jeremiah Hill in trade negotiations. Towns is great, but I don't feel like he's a consensus #1 the same way DRose, Kyrie, Blake Griffin, AD and John Wall were. And what does he excel at the way Okafor excels at offense? And if you pick him #1 here at D5 you're getting a guy whose ceiling is being 2nd Option to Andrew Wiggins right? A scrappy, high energy guy who can grabs the boards and defend the paint so other TWolves can score more? Okafor has that Timmy D/Al Jeff offensive game that's got him a contract for the rest of his career, but his downside is lack of effort in general, but mostly on D. Russell is like a taller but less athletic Chris Paul. And sometimes I think if Mudiay had gone to college and had that positive exposure he'd stand an equal chance at #1, but China and terrible shooting puts a question mark above his head. If Winslow or Hezonja or Porzingis jumps up on draft night we get extra shitstorm potential. This is a weird year for the draft! Im just shock that there are still no article that says that this is a better class than last year.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 21, 2015 11:32:47 GMT
I think in the Melo vs Milicic debate, it is kind of like a Towns vs Parker debate. On one end, you have this guy who could be a franchise changing big, with the likes of Hakeem and a decent jumper. On the other end, you have this guy with a high floor but a little less upside. Pistons went upside, AS SO MANY TEAMS DO (teams in the NBA and NFL, almost always go with the upside). Melo came in and won the ROY and fits perfectly into the stretch 4 META. I have more potential than Darko Milliac! Do you remember that draft though? Everyone is an expert in hindsight man. The allure of a star 7 footer is still tremendous, and it is in a league now where no one cares about big men. But back then, when Shaq was still destroying people, Duncan was in his prime, and the images of Ewing, Hakeem, and Zo, and the rest were still vivid in everyone's minds, that allure of Darko was HUGE!! I mean, was he the right pick? No. Was he the right pick then? Probably not. But everyone had him higher than Bosh. And Dumars drafted for need.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 21, 2015 11:41:23 GMT
Another thing to add to my post above - Towns is a perfect fit for the real-life TWolves, but it's a different story here at D5 imho. I think Towns is the consensus number 1 this year, in RL. His ceiling is higher than Okafor's because Okafor's main question and cause of concern is the lack of effort. Big men will always be valued more highly than wings and guards. The collegiate exposure killed Mudiay, but what is more important about that is, Mudiay was going to be coached by the great Larry Brown and he missed out on that great opportunity. Propingas and Mario all have questions about their game. Can Propingas play well with contact? That's the question Dirk and Bargnani had, and look at that spectrum. Mario is a head case, but not in the same way Dwight is. His mental problem is the complete opposite of Okafor's. I'd rather have a guy talking shit the whole time on defense versus a guy that never hustles back. But when you consider we aren't drafting the same way NBA GM's are, things go differently in here. We can make decisions based off of how we feel. We don't have a room full of people giving us opinions and we don't have to explain anything to them, or an owner. Our jobs are never in jeopardy. And, the player's value is different here. We look at a big man and realize that if we draft him, it's a long road to where they are relevant in here. Even Anthony Davis took 2 years, and sometimes, we don't have the patience. Also, what team a guy goes to is extremely important. TLDR: Towns number 1 overall in the NBA, easy. In here, everything is different.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 13:50:15 GMT
I have more potential than Darko Milliac! Do you remember that draft though? Everyone is an expert in hindsight man. The allure of a star 7 footer is still tremendous, and it is in a league now where no one cares about big men. But back then, when Shaq was still destroying people, Duncan was in his prime, and the images of Ewing, Hakeem, and Zo, and the rest were still vivid in everyone's minds, that allure of Darko was HUGE!! I mean, was he the right pick? No. Was he the right pick then? Probably not. But everyone had him higher than Bosh. And Dumars drafted for need. I understand what you are saying and usually agree with you on issues like this, but Darko was SOOOOOOOOO bad! If you must draft for need, which Melo can play PF but whatever, then, I can't believe I am saying this, take Bosh.
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