Hassan Whiteside

[Larry Bird]

Can you identify these two players?

Player A: (Last 5 games with significant time)
23p 8r 3a 1b
13p 8r 1a 1b 3s
23p 10r 3a
14p 17r 2a 1b
13p 10r 1a 1b 2s

Totals
17.2p 10.6r 2a .8b 1s

Player B: (Last 5 games with significant time)
16p 24r 1b 1s
20p 9r 3b
11p 11r 5b
24p 20r 2b 3s
17p 14r 1s

Totals
17.6p 15.6r 2.2b .8s

[Deleted]

the 2nd one is whiteside!

[Shaquille O'Neal]

we really need to have a drug test to our GMs. 80? you didn't even know this guys before Christmas, i'll go with 75.

[Charles Barkley]

You guys with these 85s and 90s are on crack, and not some pure columbian crack, but some stepped on, barely any coke left, crack.

[Deleted]

Well, he should be rated like a 78-79, with all the 71 votes you gotta even out the average a little bit. I see people do that all the time here

[Charles Barkley]

Feb 13, 2015 17:21:19 GMT Shaquille O'Neal said:

we really need to have a drug test to our GMs. 80? you didn't even know this guys before Christmas, i'll go with 75.

again with the drug testing lol. 

In defense of Troy, he brought Hassan Whiteside to the table long before anyone knew who the hell he was.

Im stickin strong with my vote. I'm not going to let the outstanding present production of Whiteside overrule who he has been these last 4 years.

If I, or the other GMs rating him lower, are proven wrong, we can, and will raise him again. That's the process we use, and its a good process. It allows us to not go crazy on someone at first glance. Its why we don't let 20 games of good production from a player make  him a 90 when 3 years of production makes him look like a 80. (And Im not talking about any player in particular there, just was saying)

Our system isn't perfect, but it is fair. Everyone who wants to vote, gets to vote. Everyone's opinions are heard. And arguments are made and rivalries are born. The Stock Watch is what keeps the league fun. 30 dudes arguing about how good players are in the NBA, its the perfect bar.

[Charles Barkley]

Feb 13, 2015 17:45:44 GMT @riogho said:

Well, he should be rated like a 78-79, with all the 71 votes you gotta even out the average a little bit. I see people do that all the time here

The top vote is thrown out, as is the bottom vote. Just vote what you think he is. Don't try to average shit out in your head and play the system. Some guys, like Vlade, are just crazy and unpredictable when they vote, and it makes it fun sometimes, others are conservative, like Walt. Each GM has their own personality and each GM has their own little something that they bring to the table that makes this league fun for all of us to be in.

[Deleted]

*shrugs* to be fair, he is playing like an 85.

As far as his "past experience" he had like 20 career NBA games in 3 years and didn't have anything to show for it, he was never really given a chance. He was a punk ass kid out of a shitty school who was a massive project. Ended up going overseas, and he grew up and someone gave him a chance. He's not the same player he was before, he's been dominant all year given minutes. He seems like a Larry Sanders to me.

[Mike Krzyzewski]

I assume these votes of 80+ are sarcastic, right?

[Charles Barkley]

Feb 13, 2015 17:49:39 GMT @riogho said:

*shrugs* to be fair, he is playing like an 85.

As far as his "past experience" he had like 20 career NBA games in 3 years and didn't have anything to show for it, he was never really given a chance. He was a punk ass kid out of a shitty school who was a massive project. Ended up going overseas, and he grew up and someone gave him a chance. He's not the same player he was before, he's been dominant all year given minutes. He seems like a Larry Sanders to me.

And where's Larry Sanders at now?

It's been what, 25 games this year for Hassan? And we are calling him king now? Dude has a couple good games and everyone gets a big boner for him. The sad thing is, he fits that offense perfectly, and defensively. So, maybe he doesn't cool off. But throwin out 80's for him right now is just too excessive.

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

Feb 13, 2015 19:16:14 GMT Charles Barkley said:

Feb 13, 2015 17:49:39 GMT @riogho said:

*shrugs* to be fair, he is playing like an 85.

As far as his "past experience" he had like 20 career NBA games in 3 years and didn't have anything to show for it, he was never really given a chance. He was a punk ass kid out of a shitty school who was a massive project. Ended up going overseas, and he grew up and someone gave him a chance. He's not the same player he was before, he's been dominant all year given minutes. He seems like a Larry Sanders to me.

And where's Larry Sanders at now?

It's been what, 25 games this year for Hassan? And we are calling him king now? Dude has a couple good games and everyone gets a big boner for him. The sad thing is, he fits that offense perfectly, and defensively. So, maybe he doesn't cool off. But throwin out 80's for him right now is just too excessive.

I actually see their point as I think we can actually all agree that his number is worth 80+..

so its just a matter of opinion right now because, IMHO, the opinion on both sides have a point.

For me, Im going in the middle. 

[Allen Iverson]

Maybe next year, youngblood. 77

[Clyde Drexler]

You guys are high. He'll need to average these numbers for a good season before reaching 80+

75

[Chris Mullin]

75 seems right IMO at the current moment. He keeps it up & I'll gladly raise my vote

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insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12319855/nba-stacking-rudy-gobert-hassan-whiteside

Gobert vs Whiteside

Whiteside is:

2nd in block % only to Manute Bol since the merger

3rd in rebound rate to Dennis Rodman and Reggie evans since the merger

And among people with an average usage rate (20%) or higher, he leads the league in true shooting % at .642

"And while Gobert has improved offensively -- to the point where he can capably stay on the floor for 30-plus minutes a night to take advantage of his defense -- Whiteside is a legitimate weapon. He has proved to be an elite finisher in the paint as well as a capable post scorer with his hook shot. Among players who have an average usage rate (20 percent or better), Whiteside's .642 true shooting percentage is tops."

And now, for the comparison to Jeremy Lin:

"A couple of years ago, we confronted this issue with the most similar story to Whiteside's: Jeremy Lin. At the time, I looked at the typical performance of players (measured by winning percentage, my per-minute rating akin to PER) by average minutes played in the previous three seasons to get a baseline for how to regress Lin's stats. Lin stood out from the distribution. Whiteside (the red square) is literally off the charts:"




"To the extent that any players who have performed like Whiteside in the past played limited minutes, it was only because of injuries, not unexpected emergence on the scene. The typical player with Whiteside's minutes total has a .399 win percentage, slightly below replacement level (.415). Whiteside's .811 value is more than double that.



Results the following season suggest the typical performance level should carry as much weight as 675 minutes played. In Lin's case, that projected him slightly better than average (.500) the season after Linsanity. (He, in fact, has been slightly worse than average since.) Whiteside projects as having a true .572 winning percentage, which would make him a solid starter but not an All-Star.

Sounds like an 85 to me.

[Kevin Hollis]

No one is going to give him an 80+ rating, you are wasting your time if I am being honest with you.

[Walt Frazier]

Yea he just needs to do it a LOT longer to get a rating above the mid-upper 70's.

[Alex English]

@riogho that article is right, he is literally off the charts. That makes him an outlier, and outliers get ignored in statistics. He has 25 games played, 489 minutes played, 250 points, 214 rebounds, and 59 blocks this season. That's nothing and is only just getting to a sample size that you can draw conclusions from. Since Whiteside failed out of the NBA in his first try and played overseas and in the D-League the last two years he has even more of a battle to prove himself. If he produces at the current level for the rest of the season then he might deserve a high 70s rating. For him to get 80+ he needs to do this all year next season as well.

[Deleted]

Larry's 90 vote should count he sent me this message:

[Deleted]

Feb 16, 2015 20:30:58 GMT @riogho said:

Larry's 90 vote should count he sent me this message:

Give me a fucken break. Stop copying a posting shot people say! I'm not perfect and I don't get along with everyone..but I'm very very close to asking the league to vote you out. Maybe it won't matter. My decision doesn't matter. I'm disliked at times. But sir you are getting on my last damn nerve. You have went to far and I am sure your not done. Grow the fuck up and calm down or get the fuck out of this awesome league. Please and thank you!!

[Deleted]

Feb 16, 2015 21:24:24 GMT @griz2385 said:

Feb 16, 2015 20:30:58 GMT @riogho said:

Larry's 90 vote should count he sent me this message:

Give me a fucken break. Stop copying a posting shot people say! I'm not perfect and I don't get along with everyone..but I'm very very close to asking the league to vote you out. Maybe it won't matter. My decision doesn't matter. I'm disliked at times. But sir you are getting on my last damn nerve. You have went to far and I am sure your not done. Grow the fuck up and calm down or get the fuck out of this awesome league. Please and thank you!!

I just noticed his vote wasnt tallied in the ratings change summary thread, just wanted to be sure that walt didnt think it was a joke rating.

[Charles Barkley]

My opinion is that the dude has to do it longer. AD didn't become a 94 overnight.

Like, look at NBA2k's rating of Whiteside, I don't know what it is, but I'd bet it isn't high 80's. They have to earn it in there as well as in here.

[Deleted]

Feb 16, 2015 21:32:49 GMT Charles Barkley said:

My opinion is that the dude has to do it longer. AD didn't become a 94 overnight.

Like, look at NBA2k's rating of Whiteside, I don't know what it is, but I'd bet it isn't high 80's. They have to earn it in there as well as in here.

good point. mmm. he is a 79 as of 2-4-15 in 2k 


"Hassan Whiteside OVR 79 (+1) - Standing Mid Range +29, Moving Mid Range +10, Moving Close +13, Post Hook +15"

[Charles Barkley]

Feb 16, 2015 21:39:03 GMT @riogho said:

Feb 16, 2015 21:32:49 GMT Charles Barkley said:

My opinion is that the dude has to do it longer. AD didn't become a 94 overnight.

Like, look at NBA2k's rating of Whiteside, I don't know what it is, but I'd bet it isn't high 80's. They have to earn it in there as well as in here.

good point. mmm. he is a 79 as of 2-4-15 in 2k 


"Hassan Whiteside OVR 79 (+1) - Standing Mid Range +29, Moving Mid Range +10, Moving Close +13, Post Hook +15"

What was he before? Where did you get these? Can you provide a link? 

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www.nba2k.org/search/label/Roster-Update

[Chris Mullin]

So you are comparing Hassan Whiteside & Dwight Howard over a small, very selective, 5 game sample size and have come to the conclusion that they deserve to be rated similarly?

Dwight Howard has earned his rating based on the 800 NBA games he has played.

Hassan Whiteside has played in 44 NBA games

[Deleted]

Feb 16, 2015 21:45:32 GMT Chris Mullin said:

So you are comparing Hassan Whiteside & Dwight Howard over a small, very selective, 5 game sample size and have come to the conclusion that they deserve to be rated similarly?

Dwight Howard has earned his rating based on the 800 NBA games he has played.

Hassan Whiteside has played in 44 NBA games.

I didn't put forth the argument. I'm just saying that if he doesn't come back, his vote should be counted as much as JR's 70! 

[Walt Frazier]

Feb 16, 2015 21:27:23 GMT @riogho said:

Feb 16, 2015 21:24:24 GMT @griz2385 said:

Give me a fucken break. Stop copying a posting shot people say! I'm not perfect and I don't get along with everyone..but I'm very very close to asking the league to vote you out. Maybe it won't matter. My decision doesn't matter. I'm disliked at times. But sir you are getting on my last damn nerve. You have went to far and I am sure your not done. Grow the fuck up and calm down or get the fuck out of this awesome league. Please and thank you!!

I just noticed his vote wasnt tallied in the ratings change summary thread, just wanted to be sure that walt didnt think it was a joke rating.

I have very, very, very occasionally left a rating out if it looked like a joke.

I'd rather have Larry confirm his actual rating, I don't believe he actually wants to vote 90.

[Mike Krzyzewski]

74

[Sam Bowie]

78 with potential to go higher. He has everything you want from a center (Strength, Interior defense with strong rebounding capability, solid post moves, over .50% ft). I think Whiteside is legit and here is why: There are almost 40 lbs. difference of pure power between the rookie and the current Whiteside. The potential was there but he was simply not strong enough as a center back then.