Andre Iguoudala

[Andrei Kirilenko]

Current Rating: 85
Suggested Rating: 78


Stats: 6.9 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 2.3 apg, 0.2 bpg, 0.9 spg

[Alex English]

Yea a 78-79 sounds right. He is an elite defender, but it's almost impressive how little he fills up the stat sheet in so much playing time (27 minutes per game so far this season).

[Brian Scalabrine]

80 I think he still brings a lot of value not shown in the stat sheet, shown by his plus minus and he's a really good defender still.

[Larry Bird]

So were Tony Allen, Raja Bell, Bruce Bowen, and Mikael Pietrus, but they were never rated very highly.

[Walt Frazier]

It is hard to ignore the stats at a certain point. I'll go 80 for now but I don't fault the 78 suggestion. I also could change my mind when I get in there and do the actual adjusting of his ratings. But I'll stick by 80 for now.


EDIT: After looking at some things, I'm going to change to an 82.

[Allen Iverson]

I would go as low as 82 right now. I agree with Scal that he brings a lot of value not shown in the stat sheet. As one of the leaders on GS, he has sacrificed his role for the team's wins (streak is at 9)

Iggy is still dealing with knee tendinitis I think plus he's still adapting with the transition from being a starter for the first 806 games of his professional career to being the 6th man Harrison Barnes didn't quite accomplish successfully last season.

"The sacrifice that he's made for the team establishes everything that we're about, that this team is buying into. If we want to win at the elite level, it's about sacrifice." - Steve Kerr

Again, he's not the guy who'll put up 20 points. He's the guy who will try and defend the best player from the opposing team from scoring 20 or more. That's the value of last season's NBA All-Defensive First Team player.

I hope you reconsider your votes guys. Plus if we want to adjust ratings this early, then Kobe needs an increase, the same goes with Bosh back at 88. I'm not saying stop putting up rating discussions now, it's just that it's still too early to tell I think.

[Ian Noble]

Elite defenders should get more love.

Also intangibles should be taken into account when judging player ratings and that's what makes Iguodala special.

I would dock some offensive ratings but keep his overall around 83.

[Deleted]

80 because his offense stinks on ice!

[Walt Frazier]

We can keep his D-Aware super high, heck even his O-Aware...but if we adjust him, we've gotta hit all these categories where he's declined/declining. Less than 1 steal a game and only .2 blocks a game are going to get those ratings lowered a good amount (this is w/o me looking at them before hand, but just saying).

There aren't that many intangible ratings, basically.

[Jeremiah Hill]

I tried this last year, good luck, the unreasonable love for Iguodala is scary. 78.

[John Stockton]

81

[James Kay]

(83)
I’m a huge Iggy lover. I know some people think Iggy doesn’t deserve
even an 83, and that ranking is “unreasonable” *cough* jeremiah *cough*
but he’s been one of the highest ranked players by on/off and RAPM. He
is the definition of intangible contribution. He elevates his team’s
defense substantially and it’s been proven by how his teams go up/down
on the defensive rankings coinciding with his arrival/departure. I’ve
already said a ton in other threads. I’m only even going as low as 83
now because of his decreased role and very decreased box score stats.

[Jeremiah Hill]

I'm pretty sure Matthew Dellavedova let the league in +/- last season or was close to it. These type of stats should be supporting evidence not the only evidence. But it's your vote James.

[Walt Frazier]

So, here are Iggy's Individual Ratings. After looking, I don't know why his D-Aware is that "low" (it's actually a good rating but he should be in the mid-90's probably!) We can adjust down things like Dunk, maybe pass and handle just a little...D-Reb a bit...blocks a solid amount, maybe Jump too. He'll still be a nice player but we can re-assign some of those points to things like D Aware and maybe even O-Aware.

Overall - 88
O-Aware - 81
FG -72
3PT - 68
FT - 73
Dunk - 90
Pass - 68
Handle - 80
Inside - 65
Range - 25 (This is his shooting Range in Feet. 25 is the max)
3PT% - 26 (This is the % of his total shots that are from 3pt land)
Style - 5 (This is his style of play. "5" is Mostly 2's & 3's. Maybe he should be more of a 6 "Slashing Guard"?
O-Reb - 18
D-Reb - 60
D-Aware - 83
Steal - 77
Block - 40
Speed - 81
Quick - 81
Jump - 90
Strength - 51
Stamina - 90
Injury - 75

[Deleted]

I am going to change to a 75. We cannot have a guy averaging 7 and 3.5 rated in the 80s.

[Allen Iverson]

www.sportsonstc.com/2014/12/17/andre-iguodalas-significance-goes-beyond-stats/

Wil still go to as low as 82. I go for 83.

[Clyde Drexler]

80

[Jeremiah Hill]

All I am saying is that Andre Iguodala has been on a clear and very obvious downward trend. He earned thst 88 being the #1 option on a playoff team. Not the wiley veteren defensive 27mpg roleplayer who isn't actually that good on defense any more. You guys are giving an 80 rating to a shooting guard that is shooting sub 50% from the free throw line and scored less than 10 ppg. Tony Allen scores more than that I'm pretty sure.

[Jeremiah Hill]

Changing my rating to a 76 after actually looking at it and I need to adjust how lowering his ft will affect his actualy ovr. He might end up as a 74 all said and done.

[Deleted]

No way he's an 80 even using the Chris Bosh scale.

[Allen Iverson]

@jeremiah, "isn't actually not good on defense anymore"? He just won his 1st all-defensive first team award. Is that not good anymore to you?

@vlade, we all know that scale sucks and hasnt proven a thing lol. But okay, how about this one:

If Iggy's stats now are
7.0ppg, 3.3rpg, 2.6apg, 27.1mpg, 43.5% fg, 33.8% 3pt fg

Then what should be the rating of this guy?
8.6ppg, 5.3rpg, 5.1apg, 33.7mpg, 38.0% fg, 22.6 3pt fg

Both players are great defensively, and their respective teams are both at the top of the Western Conference.

[Deleted]

Dec 26, 2014 5:18:20 GMT Allen Iverson said:

@jeremiah, "isn't actually not good on defense anymore"? He just won his 1st all-defensive first team award. Is that not good anymore to you?

@vlade, we all know that scale sucks and hasnt proven a thing lol. But okay, how about this one:

If Iggy's stats now are
7.0ppg, 3.3rpg, 2.6apg, 27.1mpg, 43.5% fg, 33.8% 3pt fg

Then what should be the rating of this guy?
8.6ppg, 5.3rpg, 5.1apg, 33.7mpg, 38.0% fg, 22.6 3pt fg

Both players are great defensively, and their respective teams are both at the top of the Western Conference.

The second player should probably be rated about a 77-78 but I fail to see your point.

[James Kay]

Dec 26, 2014 5:18:20 GMT Allen Iverson said:

@jeremiah, "isn't actually not good on defense anymore"? He just won his 1st all-defensive first team award. Is that not good anymore to you?

@vlade, we all know that scale sucks and hasnt proven a thing lol. But okay, how about this one:

If Iggy's stats now are
7.0ppg, 3.3rpg, 2.6apg, 27.1mpg, 43.5% fg, 33.8% 3pt fg

Then what should be the rating of this guy?
8.6ppg, 5.3rpg, 5.1apg, 33.7mpg, 38.0% fg, 22.6 3pt fg

Both players are great defensively, and their respective teams are both at the top of the Western Conference.

FWIW I think Iggy is being severely undervalued in this thread,

But who is the other guy?

[Clyde Drexler]

Dec 26, 2014 5:18:20 GMT Allen Iverson said:

@jeremiah, "isn't actually not good on defense anymore"? He just won his 1st all-defensive first team award. Is that not good anymore to you?

@vlade, we all know that scale sucks and hasnt proven a thing lol. But okay, how about this one:

If Iggy's stats now are
7.0ppg, 3.3rpg, 2.6apg, 27.1mpg, 43.5% fg, 33.8% 3pt fg

Then what should be the rating of this guy?
8.6ppg, 5.3rpg, 5.1apg, 33.7mpg, 38.0% fg, 22.6 3pt fg

Both players are great defensively, and their respective teams are both at the top of the Western Conference.

Woah, Batum is having a terrible year offensively.

[Deleted]

Two wrongs don't make a right, so I am for lowering Batum and Iggy.

[Jeremiah Hill]

I stand by my 76 rating. Since I'd rather have Tony Allen on my team at this point.

[Charles Barkley]

82, still think Iggy is an elite defender, just having his minutes lowered because of age and the GS squad is deep. It also wouldn't surprise me if Kerr just doesn't like Iggy and, if he were to get traded, I think he would be his usual self on a different team and make that team better.

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

78

[Jeremiah Hill]

Dec 31, 2014 3:08:30 GMT Hanamichi Sakuragi said:

For me, it is not realistic for a player to loss 6-8 points of skills IRL. So I believe we need to be patient with this guy for this season. And that article above bring some great points.

I am going with 80.

Look at the season stats man, skill points aren't real so there isn't any realism about it. His current rating is a result of him being over rated to begin with and people probably each season saying nah just give him time to turn it around. But this has been a 5-6 season downward trend. It's just that the rating change is late. 

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

Dec 31, 2014 4:51:48 GMT Jeremiah Hill said:

Dec 31, 2014 3:08:30 GMT Hanamichi Sakuragi said:

For me, it is not realistic for a player to loss 6-8 points of skills IRL. So I believe we need to be patient with this guy for this season. And that article above bring some great points.

I am going with 80.

Look at the season stats man, skill points aren't real so there isn't any realism about it. His current rating is a result of him being over rated to begin with and people probably each season saying nah just give him time to turn it around. But this has been a 5-6 season downward trend. It's just that the rating change is late. 

check his historical stats and it seems you are right with that overrated statement.

hmmm..

I am changing my vote to 78 then.