Paul George

[Alex English]

Paul George

Current Rating: 79
Suggested Rating: 84

Stats:
17.2ppg, 7.8rpg, 3.8apg, 1.7spg, 0.7bpg

Paul George is basically the number 1 option on the Pacers now that Danny Granger is out even though he is still only 22 years old and the Pacers are still almost as good with a record of 21-16. He leads the team in points per game and he leads the NBA in rebounds per game among non post players. Also he is becoming an elite perimeter defender too. For the advanced stats people he is 4th in the NBA for Defensive rating with a 96 and he is 1st in the league in defensive win shares at 3.3. He is kind of the same do everything sort of player that Batum is except George is slightly better. Batum's consensus was 82-83 so I think George deserves an 84.

[Rubén Magnano]

I don´t see how Paul George is better than Batum. They have almost the same Eff. rating with 2 mpg of difference. They have similar styles so I think it is fair to compare their stats. Looking only at stats, Batum is a better shooter, George is a better rebounder, Batum is a better passer, George is a better stealer, Batum is a better blocker.

To me, George should get the same overall as Batum (83).

[Alex English]

Comparison:

This Year:

Player	Age	MPG	PPG	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	FG%	3P%	FT%
Paul George	22	36.8	17.2	7.8	3.8	1.7	0.7	0.424	0.386	0.807
Nicolas Batum	24	39.0	16.7	6.0	4.5	1.5	1.0	0.426	0.354	0.866

Career:

Player	Age	MPG	PPG	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	FG%	3P%	FT%
Paul George	22	28.2	11.8	5.4	2.3	1.4	0.5	0.437	0.365	0.793
Nicolas Batum	24	28.0	11.1	4.2	1.7	0.9	0.7	0.454	0.368	0.843

Jan 23, 2013 19:59:21 GMT Rubén Magnano said:

Batum is a better shooter

Not really, basically identical FG% this year, Batum little better for their careers, George is the better 3 point shooter this season, they're basically identical for their careers. Batum is the better free throw shooter, only by 5% though.

Jan 23, 2013 19:59:21 GMT Rubén Magnano said:

George is a better rebounder

Yup.

Jan 23, 2013 19:59:21 GMT Rubén Magnano said:

Batum is a better passer

Only this year, George has been better overall.

Jan 23, 2013 19:59:21 GMT Rubén Magnano said:

George is a better stealer

Yup.

Jan 23, 2013 19:59:21 GMT Rubén Magnano said:

Batum is a better blocker.

Yea, slightly.


Stats wise I think George is noticeably better. Not by that much, but a noticeable amount. But qualitatively I think all the factors go to George. He is 22 while Batum is 24. It is difficult to measure but I think George is definitely the better defender. Also, the Pacers are better than the Blazers and they have more or less the same role on their team.

[Alex English]

Apparently he is going to be an All-Star too. So he probably deserves like a 90 actually.

[Rubén Magnano]

Jan 23, 2013 21:22:26 GMT Alex English said:

Apparently he is going to be an All-Star too. So he probably deserves like a 90 actually.

[Clyde Drexler]

Jan 23, 2013 21:22:26 GMT Alex English said:

Apparently he is going to be an All-Star too. So he probably deserves like a 90 actually.

Noah ;D

Back on topic... I think George should be an 84, better than Batum.

[Deleted]

I think Paul George is going to be a beast, period, end of statement. I think I might say 83 for right now, but I think 84 is closer than 82.

[Walt Frazier]

Batum's stats for the season are heavily influenced by a rough start and a minor injury that messed with his shot for a little. Since that time, he's improved noticeably. FG% is at 45.1%, 3pt% is at 34.5%, FT% is at 89.9% and he's getting there 3.95 times a game. Also getting 6.25 rebounds, 5.9 assists, 1.35 steals, and 1.15 blocks to go along with his 17.1 points per game.

Should also factor that, as you said, that's basically George's team now. Yet Batum, as a 3rd option behind Aldridge and Lillard, puts up the same/similar points, and over his career has shown the ability to be a noticeably better shooter. His FT% backs up the shooter claim as well.

All that said, I think these two guys balance out pretty damn close to even. If 83 is basically the agreement on Batum, I think it should be so with George as well at this point. Both guys are part of the future in this league, can't wait to see them continue to develop.

P.S. I don't feel like getting into this here, not sure if you guys are into valuing each category like this, but IMO, 6 assists vs. 6 rebounds should be worth a VERY different amount overall. Finding a player who can get you 5-6 assists from a non-PG is worth a lot more than 6-7 rebounds from a non-PF/C. A great FT% contributor who gets to the line a good amount is harder to find in the league than a great 3pt shot as well.

I still stand by my 83 for George, but that above is why I think Batum is actually a little better at this point. Anyway, carry on.

[Blake Bowman]

Jan 23, 2013 21:22:26 GMT Alex English said:

Apparently he is going to be an All-Star too. So he probably deserves like a 90 actually.

Don't know if you saw this but he then tweeted:

"Please relax, everyone. Those are MY picks for the All-Star reserves."

IMO he should be rated at 84, he's a great player and should only get better.

[Rubén Magnano]

Even if he makes the all-star, that doesn´t mean he should be faster or shoot better because of that.

[Clyde Drexler]

Jan 24, 2013 4:11:40 GMT Rubén Magnano said:

Even if he makes the all-star, that doesn´t mean he should be faster or shoot better because of that.

AN ALL-STAR DESERVES 99 THO

[Clyde Drexler]

[Blake Bowman]

Jan 24, 2013 4:35:24 GMT Clyde Drexler said:

I wouldn't hate on a Mo Williams 99 rating. ;D lol

[Magic Johnson]

PG should definitely get a upgrade he is one of the reasons why IND is at with a top 4 seed and top defense in the NBA (leads league in defense FG percentage the Pacers).

[Clyde Drexler]

Jan 24, 2013 2:07:00 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Batum's stats for the season are heavily influenced by a rough start and a minor injury that messed with his shot for a little. Since that time, he's improved noticeably. FG% is at 45.1%, 3pt% is at 34.5%, FT% is at 89.9% and he's getting there 3.95 times a game. Also getting 6.25 rebounds, 5.9 assists, 1.35 steals, and 1.15 blocks to go along with his 17.1 points per game.

Should also factor that, as you said, that's basically George's team now. Yet Batum, as a 3rd option behind Aldridge and Lillard, puts up the same/similar points, and over his career has shown the ability to be a noticeably better shooter. His FT% backs up the shooter claim as well.

All that said, I think these two guys balance out pretty damn close to even. If 83 is basically the agreement on Batum, I think it should be so with George as well at this point. Both guys are part of the future in this league, can't wait to see them continue to develop.

P.S. I don't feel like getting into this here, not sure if you guys are into valuing each category like this, but IMO, 6 assists vs. 6 rebounds should be worth a VERY different amount overall. Finding a player who can get you 5-6 assists from a non-PG is worth a lot more than 6-7 rebounds from a non-PF/C. A great FT% contributor who gets to the line a good amount is harder to find in the league than a great 3pt shot as well.

I still stand by my 83 for George, but that above is why I think Batum is actually a little better at this point. Anyway, carry on.

George is better at this point since he is not dirty ;D

[Rubén Magnano]

[Danny Longley]

Jan 24, 2013 5:44:01 GMT Clyde Drexler said:

Jan 24, 2013 2:07:00 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Batum's stats for the season are heavily influenced by a rough start and a minor injury that messed with his shot for a little. Since that time, he's improved noticeably. FG% is at 45.1%, 3pt% is at 34.5%, FT% is at 89.9% and he's getting there 3.95 times a game. Also getting 6.25 rebounds, 5.9 assists, 1.35 steals, and 1.15 blocks to go along with his 17.1 points per game.

Should also factor that, as you said, that's basically George's team now. Yet Batum, as a 3rd option behind Aldridge and Lillard, puts up the same/similar points, and over his career has shown the ability to be a noticeably better shooter. His FT% backs up the shooter claim as well.

All that said, I think these two guys balance out pretty damn close to even. If 83 is basically the agreement on Batum, I think it should be so with George as well at this point. Both guys are part of the future in this league, can't wait to see them continue to develop.

P.S. I don't feel like getting into this here, not sure if you guys are into valuing each category like this, but IMO, 6 assists vs. 6 rebounds should be worth a VERY different amount overall. Finding a player who can get you 5-6 assists from a non-PG is worth a lot more than 6-7 rebounds from a non-PF/C. A great FT% contributor who gets to the line a good amount is harder to find in the league than a great 3pt shot as well.

I still stand by my 83 for George, but that above is why I think Batum is actually a little better at this point. Anyway, carry on.

George is better at this point since he is not dirty ;D

You could use that as an argument to boost his Strength lol

[Jackie Moon]

PG should be around 80-81 with Batum being on the same level, just slightly not as good.

[Walt Frazier]

Jackie is a damn stickler with ratings, but I think he's more used to 2K ratings than Live. Both guys should be at least an 83, but for different reasons.

[Jackie Moon]

I just feel like a lot of people factor potential into the equation when speaking of ratings changes. You have to rate them for what they are, rather than what they could be.

[Alex English]

Jan 24, 2013 16:28:11 GMT Jackie Moon said:

I just feel like a lot of people factor potential into the equation when speaking of ratings changes. You have to rate them for what they are, rather than what they could be.

So 17 and 8 with elite perimeter defense only deserves an 80-81? That's what he is. It is just weird you are the same guy who said Andre Iguodala doesn't deserve a decrease. Do you honestly think Iggy is an 88 while Paul George and Nicolas Batum are only 80-81s?

[Jackie Moon]

Iggy deserves a decrease but not as low as I was seeing people suggest. He deserves to be around 84-85. I saw many people mentioning lower end 80s. People are holding against him how he has fared with Denver after half a season. I mean hell Amare hasnt done anything in 2 years and he is still a what, 83? It takes more to warrant such a major decrease.

Paul George and Batum are playing great, but it hasnt been long enough to warrant a jump to mid 80s. Guys 85 and up are usually franchise players, players that a team is BUILT around. Neither of these guys are considered the best player on their respective team. Neither of these guys is a number one option when their team is healthy (you could argue that George is currently Indy's #1 option, but I see it as more of a shoulder load with West.) Like I said above, we are talking about an increase after half a season. Both players have moderately improved their stats, so they deserve a moderate increase. Neither player is a Top 5 SF YET, but they have the potential to be in the upcoming years.

[Rubén Magnano]

Jan 24, 2013 18:36:41 GMT Jackie Moon said:

Iggy deserves a decrease but not as low as I was seeing people suggest. He deserves to be around 84-85. I saw many people mentioning lower end 80s. People are holding against him how he has fared with Denver after half a season. I mean hell Amare hasnt done anything in 2 years and he is still a what, 83? It takes more to warrant such a major decrease.

Amare will get his rating down soon. It is just that he is getting the benefit of the doubt because of his injury and he just came from a rating decrease.