Monty Williams
Former Grizzlies GM
Rookie
Posts: 127
Oct 27, 2023 23:30:42 GMT
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Post by Monty Williams on Apr 19, 2022 18:20:54 GMT
Memphis Grizzlies Receive: Keldon Johnson $1,930,200 $1,944,661 $1,954,785 Saddiq Bey $2,730,800 $2,861,100 $4,388,927, $6,166,443 Ilysova contract $8,089,735 LAC 2022 1st Round Pick Det 2023 1st Round Pick Det 2022-2024 Second Round Picks Total: $12,750,735 Detroit Pistons Receive: Donovan Mitchell $6,136,099 Davis Bertans $7,700,000 Total: $13,836,099 Reasons/plan: Obviously trading stars/superstars away is always met with a stigma, because usually the team doing so is rebuilding, however I want to make my intentions clear! The Grizzlies have ZERO intentions to rebuild whatsoever. We love Spider Mitchell as a player, and a scorer, however his style of play isn’t conducive to Jokic’s whom we believe is the best player in the league at the moment. His usage rate is T6 irl, yet somehow it doesn’t translate in this sim, and even if it did, it probably still wouldn’t be a good thing. We have every intention to build the team around Jokic, and surround him with complimentary skillsets. So far since I’ve took over the team, Spider Mitchell has been about the 4th most productive player for us. We also feel like both Keldon Johnson, and Saddiq Bey took huge steps this year offensively, while maintaining their reputation as good defenders. Keldon Johnson ended the regular season on a 9 game streak of 20+ point games. Averaging during that streak: 22.7 ppg, 6.1 reb, 3.2 ast. Both are good 3 pt shooters, guard multiple positions, and are developing nicely on rookie deals. They’re good enough to contribute now, plus I get a lottery pick, an additional first, and multiple seconds which should help me add other pieces as I get deeper into my tenure as the Grizzlies GM. Ultimately I think this is a fair package for a player thats a bit limited ceiling wise that will also likely command max dollars this summer. He’s also being traded out of conference so that’s a plus. Chauncey Billups to confirm |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 19, 2022 18:24:17 GMT
Brutally bad trade
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Post by Tom Izzo on Apr 19, 2022 18:28:04 GMT
That Clippers pick is pretty crucial here. Currently 8th, 1 game away from 7th, and the Clippers are on a 5 game skid. If that jumps into the top 3, plus KJ and Bey, that could be a solid core. Memphis needs some weapons. KAT + Jokic + Mitchell wasn't working. Jokic + Mitchell + Russell is barely a playoff team. Maybe adding up some assets and gaining some cap space could help Memphis retool around Jokic. Crazy that this team had KAT a year ago, though.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Apr 19, 2022 18:31:30 GMT
That Clippers pick is pretty crucial here. Currently 8th, 1 game away from 7th, and the Clippers are on a 5 game skid. If that jumps into the top 3, plus KJ and Bey, that could be a solid core. Memphis needs some weapons. KAT + Jokic + Mitchell wasn't working. Jokic + Mitchell + Russell is barely a playoff team. Maybe adding up some assets and gaining some cap space could help Memphis retool around Jokic. Crazy that this team had KAT a year ago, though. Sir please refrain from giving your opinion until the trade has passed |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Apr 19, 2022 18:32:03 GMT
I accept.
This one is tough for me. I’m a big fan of both KJ and Bey. I think they both have the potential to be stars in the league. With that being said, they’re just not there yet, and my team has moved from a perennial lottery team to full-on competing. Mitchell provides instant offense that I feel my team lacks and needs to take that next step.
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Post by Jerry West on Apr 19, 2022 18:32:51 GMT
Memphis fans were asking themselves if their GM would chose either KAT or Jokic going forward. Turns out they picked neither lmao. Jokic baby we got a pretty cool team here.
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Post by Tom Izzo on Apr 19, 2022 18:41:15 GMT
Any time a star player is dealt this seems to be the response. Nobody is ever satisfied with the trade the team received for the player 🤷🏻♂️
I tried for Mitchell too but lost out. Good trade for Detroit. Hope this doesn't affect Memphis this summer with Jokic's free agency, but I can't imagine a scenario of Jokic walking. Anyone who starts that narrative is just making things up
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 19, 2022 18:42:41 GMT
If this passes Memphis is a horrible team for the foreseeable future. I have no idea why Jokic would want to stay
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Post by Jared Montini on Apr 19, 2022 18:44:56 GMT
Trade is passable. Jokic buying a ticket elsewhere tho 👀
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Apr 19, 2022 18:45:58 GMT
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Post by Jared Montini on Apr 19, 2022 18:46:09 GMT
Nice move Chauncey!
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Post by Tom Izzo on Apr 19, 2022 18:48:13 GMT
Has Memphis ever actually left the first round?
Mitchell and Jokic hated each other and this shakes the team up and gives Jokic the full helm.
See I can create narratives too
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Post by Jerry West on Apr 19, 2022 18:48:27 GMT
True, then again we had the Anferne Simmons debacle already. Wasn't it also hard to leg of future star Coby White? Lmao |
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Post by Jared Montini on Apr 19, 2022 18:51:25 GMT
Has Memphis ever actually left the first round? Mitchell and Jokic hated each other and this shakes the team up and gives Jokic the full helm. See I can create narratives too they have, you’re just making stuff up 😂 |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Apr 19, 2022 18:51:52 GMT
True, then again we had the Anferne Simmons debacle already. Wasn't it also hard to leg of future star Coby White? Lmao People also shit on Miami for trading Sabonis to me for a pick. That pick turned into LaMelo Ball. These reactions are short-sighted. |
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Post by Jerry West on Apr 19, 2022 18:55:31 GMT
True, then again we had the Anferne Simmons debacle already. Wasn't it also hard to leg of future star Coby White? Lmao People also shit on Miami for trading Sabonis to me for a pick. That pick turned into LaMelo Ball. These reactions are short-sighted. And he also traded the 2023 Miami 1st that's looking juicy |
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Post by Jared Montini on Apr 19, 2022 18:59:26 GMT
People also shit on Miami for trading Sabonis to me for a pick. That pick turned into LaMelo Ball. These reactions are short-sighted. And he also traded the 2023 Miami 1st that's looking juicy that pick is otb btw 🥵 |
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 19, 2022 19:01:08 GMT
I think my main concern with this trade is Jokic's upcoming contract negotiations. This trade sets up the perfect opportunity for the player agents to let Jokic walk to another team. The main reason the Nuggets are going to get their asses handed to them IRL is because Jokic is fending for himself without Murray or MPJ. Monty Williams trading Donovan Mitchell is like deliberately putting him in that scenario where he would not win - ie. the primary reason a player leaves a team. |
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Monty Williams
Former Grizzlies GM
Rookie
Posts: 127
Oct 27, 2023 23:30:42 GMT
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Post by Monty Williams on Apr 19, 2022 19:09:32 GMT
Any time a star player is dealt this seems to be the response. Nobody is ever satisfied with the trade the team received for the player 🤷🏻♂️ I tried for Mitchell too but lost out. Good trade for Detroit. Hope this doesn't affect Memphis this summer with Jokic's free agency, but I can't imagine a scenario of Jokic walking. Anyone who starts that narrative is just making things up In my experience in other leagues this is the truth. I could understand Scal’s response if I were trading away Jokic, but this is Donovan Mitchell. It’s not exactly hard to replace 18 points a game, plus some assists. He provides almost nothing defensively as well due to his height. A better response would be detailing HOW this is such an egregious trade, instead of just saying it, because otherwise you’re just being scandalous(YEAH I SAID IT 😂), and lazy. We know Jokic is the big fish this off-season, so the narrative painting is both natural, and expected, but anybody whining without giving a thought out response is willingly ignoring both Keldon, and Saddiq as players, on top of the other assets, and highly overvaluing Donovan. Oh yeah that’s another thing, the offers for Donovan don’t exactly match the outcry by some gms in this thread. You’d think I was trading away 95 Jordan or something. |
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Post by James Kay on Apr 19, 2022 19:10:03 GMT
Has Memphis ever actually left the first round? Mitchell and Jokic hated each other and this shakes the team up and gives Jokic the full helm. See I can create narratives too Thanks for playing sideline GM. You are truly a man of principle.  IMO, the value for value exchange here is within the realm of passable. Reasonable minds may differ as to the value of KJ, Bey, and the two firsts but this package - two firsts, some nice young prospects, and 8M in cap relief - isn't outside of what we've seen stars been traded for in the past. That's not even mentioning that Mitchell is going to cost a max after this season. However, with Jokic's cap hold, MEM will have no cap space this off-season to re-sign another star. It's not "creating a narrative" to bring up the fact that MEM is trading away a three-time 25 year old all-star for rebuilding material when their star player is in his prime, in win-now mode, and coincidentally a free agent this off-season. I think we need to hear a bit more on the new MEM GM's plan before the TC votes on this trade, but trades are typically vetoed when they are disastrous for a franchise's future. IMO, without a solid plan already in place to re-tool somehow around Jokic quickly enough to convince him that MEM can compete, or maybe even to trade Jokic (again, this is a two time MVP breaking advanced stats records - what do you trade this guy for??) for an absolute king's ransom, then this is such a trade. |
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Monty Williams
Former Grizzlies GM
Rookie
Posts: 127
Oct 27, 2023 23:30:42 GMT
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Post by Monty Williams on Apr 19, 2022 19:10:54 GMT
I think my main concern with this trade is Jokic's upcoming contract negotiations. This trade sets up the perfect opportunity for the player agents to let Jokic walk to another team. The main reason the Nuggets are going to get their asses handed to them IRL is because Jokic is fending for himself without Murray or MPJ. Monty Williams trading Donovan Mitchell is like deliberately putting him in that scenario where he would not win - ie. the primary reason a player leaves a team. He has has birds, he literally can’t walk. Unless I’m forced to sign and trade. |
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Monty Williams
Former Grizzlies GM
Rookie
Posts: 127
Oct 27, 2023 23:30:42 GMT
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Post by Monty Williams on Apr 19, 2022 19:13:50 GMT
Has Memphis ever actually left the first round? Mitchell and Jokic hated each other and this shakes the team up and gives Jokic the full helm. See I can create narratives too Thanks for playing sideline GM. You are truly a man of principle. IMO, the value for value exchange here is within the realm of passable. Reasonable minds may differ as to the value of KJ, Bey, and the two firsts but this package - two firsts, some nice young prospects, and 8M in cap relief - isn't outside of what we've seen stars been traded for in the past. That's not even mentioning that Mitchell is going to cost a max after this season. However, with Jokic's cap hold, MEM will have no cap space this off-season to re-sign another star. It's not "creating a narrative" to bring up the fact that MEM is trading away a three-time 25 year old all-star for rebuilding material when their star player is in his prime, in win-now mode, and coincidentally a free agent this off-season. I think we need to hear a bit more on the new MEM GM's plan before the TC votes on this trade, but trades are typically vetoed when they are disastrous for a franchise's future. IMO, without a solid plan already in place to re-tool somehow around Jokic quickly enough to convince him that MEM can compete, or maybe even to trade Jokic (again, this is a two time MVP breaking advanced stats records - what do you trade this guy for??) for an absolute king's ransom, then this is such a trade. I honestly have other potential trades in place, this might look a lot better in sequence, but idk, I’ve had deals I thought were set, and then the opposing GM went cold turkey. All a work in progress, and I can certainly see the concern with the aesthetics of trading away Mitchell, however, what if we finish as a top 4 seed? What if we make a good playoff run? Does that change the narrative? When I took over the Grizzlies they were a .500 team. |
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Post by James Kay on Apr 19, 2022 19:15:01 GMT
I think my main concern with this trade is Jokic's upcoming contract negotiations. This trade sets up the perfect opportunity for the player agents to let Jokic walk to another team. The main reason the Nuggets are going to get their asses handed to them IRL is because Jokic is fending for himself without Murray or MPJ. Monty Williams trading Donovan Mitchell is like deliberately putting him in that scenario where he would not win - ie. the primary reason a player leaves a team. He has has birds, he literally can’t walk. Unless I’m forced to sign and trade. Lol. You are informing the league admin on how Bird Rights work? I would maybe take another look. Nothing is keeping Jokic in MEM except an extra year of money, and some vague conception of "loyalty." |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Apr 19, 2022 19:16:02 GMT
Any time a star player is dealt this seems to be the response. Nobody is ever satisfied with the trade the team received for the player 🤷🏻♂️ I tried for Mitchell too but lost out. Good trade for Detroit. Hope this doesn't affect Memphis this summer with Jokic's free agency, but I can't imagine a scenario of Jokic walking. Anyone who starts that narrative is just making things up In my experience in other leagues this is the truth. I could understand Scal’s response if I were trading away Jokic, but this is Donovan Mitchell. It’s not exactly hard to replace 18 points a game, plus some assists. He provides almost nothing defensively as well due to his height. A better response would be detailing HOW this is such an egregious trade, instead of just saying it, because otherwise you’re just being scandalous(YEAH I SAID IT 😂), and lazy. We know Jokic is the big fish this off-season, so the narrative painting is both natural, and expected, but anybody whining without giving a thought out response is willingly ignoring both Keldon, and Saddiq as players, on top of the other assets, and highly overvaluing Donovan. Oh yeah that’s another thing, the offers for Donovan don’t exactly match the outcry by some gms in this thread. You’d think I was trading away 95 Jordan or something. Welcome to D5 |
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Post by Jerry West on Apr 19, 2022 19:25:12 GMT
I think my main concern with this trade is Jokic's upcoming contract negotiations. This trade sets up the perfect opportunity for the player agents to let Jokic walk to another team. The main reason the Nuggets are going to get their asses handed to them IRL is because Jokic is fending for himself without Murray or MPJ. Monty Williams trading Donovan Mitchell is like deliberately putting him in that scenario where he would not win - ie. the primary reason a player leaves a team. He has has birds, he literally can’t walk. Unless I’m forced to sign and trade. Bro |
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Post by Jerry West on Apr 19, 2022 19:27:32 GMT
People can vouch for me, I was actually going off on discord that I dont think this trade is rejectable. But after seeing the GM confusing RFA and BRs, I think it should 100% be rejected. This man is loosing Jokic and doesn't think he is because he doesn't understand basic NBA rules.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Apr 19, 2022 19:29:33 GMT
To be fair, our rules in D5 are pretty confusing. I don't think we should blame a GM who has been here 1 week for not knowing exactly how BRs work in D5. However, if Monty made this trade thinking that Jokic was not able to walk from his team, I also think he should be allowed to re-examine his acceptance and reflect some more on if he wants to do this.
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Monty Williams
Former Grizzlies GM
Rookie
Posts: 127
Oct 27, 2023 23:30:42 GMT
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Post by Monty Williams on Apr 19, 2022 19:30:29 GMT
He has has birds, he literally can’t walk. Unless I’m forced to sign and trade. Lol. You are informing the league admin on how Bird Rights work? I would maybe take another look. Nothing is keeping Jokic in MEM except an extra year of money, and some vague conception of "loyalty." Yeah I just realized Restricted FA’s essentially aren’t a thing in this league, no wonder it’s so top heavy…. Any who, Jokic isn’t a FA irl until 2023, hard to say if he’d just up and leave a playoff team or not. I probably wouldn’t have made this trade if I realized their aren’t RFA, but that’s also my fault so it is what it is. |
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Post by Jerry West on Apr 19, 2022 19:32:16 GMT
Lol. You are informing the league admin on how Bird Rights work? I would maybe take another look. Nothing is keeping Jokic in MEM except an extra year of money, and some vague conception of "loyalty." Yeah I just realized Restricted FA’s essentially aren’t a thing in this league, no wonder it’s so top heavy…. Any who, Jokic isn’t a FA irl until 2023, hard to say if he’d just up and leave a playoff team or not. I probably wouldn’t have made this trade if I realized their aren’t RFA, but that’s also my fault so it is what it is. Where is RFA in year 8 a rule? Seriously, what league |
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Post by Jared Montini on Apr 19, 2022 19:33:57 GMT
Yeah, RFA even irl is only for players first entering the league
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