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Post by Chauncey Billups on Mar 6, 2022 21:50:30 GMT
Current rating: 84
I think it’s a good time to submit my 2nd stockwatch for DJ, the newly minted All-Star.
Stats:
20.4 pts / 9.4 asts / 8.4 reb / 2.0 stls / 46.2 FG% / 31.7 3P%
16 Triple Doubles on the season
Advanced Stats:
22.4 PER / 52.4 TS% / 3.5 VORP / 3.4 OWS / 2.6 DWS
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One of the best two-way players in the league.
Assists Per Game (3rd)
Steals Per Game (1st)
PER (17th)
Box Plus/Minus (13th)
VORP (10th)
Defensive rating (5th)
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Suggested Rating: 88
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Post by Jared Montini on Mar 6, 2022 21:58:03 GMT
85
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Mar 6, 2022 22:03:42 GMT
84
He has like identical stats to his last stockwatch. He gets a lot of counting stats but he is still super inefficient and does contribute to wins. The Spurs have literally gone 6-27 since your last thread 3 months ago.
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Post by Jerry West on Mar 6, 2022 22:14:21 GMT
LMAO
But seriously 83, same as last time
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Mar 6, 2022 22:14:32 GMT
84 He has like identical stats to his last stockwatch. He gets a lot of counting stats but he is still super inefficient and does contribute to wins. The Spurs have literally gone 6-27 since your last thread 3 months ago. So 84 is your cap for a player who puts up 20/9/8/2? But you suggested Poeltl as an 83, who is almost getting out rebounded by a guard? |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Mar 6, 2022 22:15:49 GMT
84 He has like identical stats to his last stockwatch. He gets a lot of counting stats but he is still super inefficient and does contribute to wins. The Spurs have literally gone 6-27 since your last thread 3 months ago. So 84 is your cap for a player who puts up 20/9/8/2? But you suggested Poeltl as an 83, who is almost getting out rebounded by a guard? Feel free to post literally any advanced stats comparing these 2 guys |
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Post by Arvydas Sabonis on Mar 6, 2022 22:25:55 GMT
85.5
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Mar 6, 2022 22:31:50 GMT
So 84 is your cap for a player who puts up 20/9/8/2? But you suggested Poeltl as an 83, who is almost getting out rebounded by a guard? Feel free to post literally any advanced stats comparing these 2 guys “One of the most impactful players in the league (12th highest overall Raptor), especially on the defensive end. He's not a flashy player, but he's one of those guys you want on your team if you want to win games.” A part of your quote on your Poeltl thread. Touting his defensive skills. DJ has more DWS at 2.6 to Poeltls 1.9. Also funny how you’re talking about having Poeltl on your team if you want to win games. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Mar 7, 2022 0:05:49 GMT
Feel free to post literally any advanced stats comparing these 2 guys “One of the most impactful players in the league (12th highest overall Raptor), especially on the defensive end. He's not a flashy player, but he's one of those guys you want on your team if you want to win games.” A part of your quote on your Poeltl thread. Touting his defensive skills. DJ has more DWS at 2.6 to Poeltls 1.9. Also funny how you’re talking about having Poeltl on your team if you want to win games. … are you seriously quoting Defensive Win Shares lol come on dawg |
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Post by George Gervin on Mar 7, 2022 0:24:20 GMT
No change
This feels way too early to ask for this kind of rating. You can’t seriously argue he should be above guys like Mitchell and Siakam who have had monstrous playoff performances on the basis of 37 games with a team that has a poor record
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Mar 7, 2022 0:48:50 GMT
“One of the most impactful players in the league (12th highest overall Raptor), especially on the defensive end. He's not a flashy player, but he's one of those guys you want on your team if you want to win games.” A part of your quote on your Poeltl thread. Touting his defensive skills. DJ has more DWS at 2.6 to Poeltls 1.9. Also funny how you’re talking about having Poeltl on your team if you want to win games. … are you seriously quoting Defensive Win Shares lol come on dawg Just pointing out your hypocrisy on your Poeltl thread, talking about winning. |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Mar 7, 2022 0:50:07 GMT
No change This feels way too early to ask for this kind of rating. You can’t seriously argue he should be above guys like Mitchell and Siakam who have had monstrous playoff performances on the basis of 37 games with a team that has a poor record I seriously think DJ is realistically an 87. The fact that their GMs haven’t asked for increases isn’t any fault of mine. |
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Post by George Gervin on Mar 7, 2022 1:19:11 GMT
No change This feels way too early to ask for this kind of rating. You can’t seriously argue he should be above guys like Mitchell and Siakam who have had monstrous playoff performances on the basis of 37 games with a team that has a poor record I seriously think DJ is realistically an 87. The fact that their GMs haven’t asked for increases isn’t any fault of mine. I assume DJ is in reference to Mitchell, but this is an unconvincing argument for Murray. He has never been in a playoff setting, is getting very high usage on a bad team, and I think 37 games is inconsequential when looking for this kind of jump. |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Mar 7, 2022 1:34:13 GMT
I seriously think DJ is realistically an 87. The fact that their GMs haven’t asked for increases isn’t any fault of mine. I assume DJ is in reference to Mitchell, but this is an unconvincing argument for Murray. He has never been in a playoff setting, is getting very high usage on a bad team, and I think 37 games is inconsequential when looking for this kind of jump. No, DJ is in reference to Dejounte Murray. I’m saying you shouldn’t reference Mitchell and Siakam, using them as guides, when their GMs haven’t put in a stockwatch thread. That’s not my fault, and has nothing to do with Murray. And it hasn’t been 37 games, he’s been almost averaging a triple double all season. |
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Post by George Gervin on Mar 7, 2022 1:44:44 GMT
I assume DJ is in reference to Mitchell, but this is an unconvincing argument for Murray. He has never been in a playoff setting, is getting very high usage on a bad team, and I think 37 games is inconsequential when looking for this kind of jump. No, DJ is in reference to Dejounte Murray. I’m saying you shouldn’t reference Mitchell and Siakam, using them as guides, when their GMs haven’t put in a stockwatch thread. That’s not my fault, and has nothing to do with Murray. And it hasn’t been 37 games, he’s been almost averaging a triple double all season. Dude his first stockwatch you posted — which players are limited to 2 per year — was 37 games ago in December. This is a compartmentalized process and has been for SWs for a while. It’s misleading to say all the TDs to date when since your first SW, he’s posted an additional 13 this season. I appreciate you going to the mat for your guy, but I don’t think he’s where you’re looking for rating wise on the basis of the games since his prior SW and his team is fucking awful. |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Mar 7, 2022 2:02:24 GMT
No, DJ is in reference to Dejounte Murray. I’m saying you shouldn’t reference Mitchell and Siakam, using them as guides, when their GMs haven’t put in a stockwatch thread. That’s not my fault, and has nothing to do with Murray. And it hasn’t been 37 games, he’s been almost averaging a triple double all season. Dude his first stockwatch you posted — which players are limited to 2 per year — was 37 games ago in December. This is a compartmentalized process and has been for SWs for a while. It’s misleading to say all the TDs to date when since your first SW, he’s posted an additional 13 this season. I appreciate you going to the mat for your guy, but I don’t think he’s where you’re looking for rating wise on the basis of the games since his prior SW and his team is fucking awful. All I’m saying is that his production has been sustained all season, but you all keep referencing from his first stockwatch, so we can go there too. First 20 games: 18.9 pts / 8.4 reb / 8.3 ast / 2.0 stl / .443% FG / 20.3 PER Last 36 games: 21.2 pts / 8.4 reb / 10.0 ast / 2.1 stl / .473% FG / ? PER (obviously going to be higher) Not only are his stats better for the last 36 games, he did it for longer. But no change, right? |
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Post by George Gervin on Mar 7, 2022 2:09:11 GMT
Dude his first stockwatch you posted — which players are limited to 2 per year — was 37 games ago in December. This is a compartmentalized process and has been for SWs for a while. It’s misleading to say all the TDs to date when since your first SW, he’s posted an additional 13 this season. I appreciate you going to the mat for your guy, but I don’t think he’s where you’re looking for rating wise on the basis of the games since his prior SW and his team is fucking awful. All I’m saying is that his production has been sustained all season, but you all keep referencing from his first stockwatch, so we can go there too. First 20 games: 18.9 pts / 8.4 reb / 8.3 ast / 2.0 stl / .443% FG / 20.3 PER Last 36 games: 21.2 pts / 8.4 reb / 10.0 ast / 2.1 stl / .473% FG / ? PER (obviously going to be higher) Not only are his stats better for the last 36 games, he did it for longer. But no change, right? It’s an EIGHT point intra-season raise you’re asking for. How many guys in D5 have had that? It is super rare, and while Murray was certainly punching well above the 80 he started at this season, he’s not punching at Ja Morant/Jaylen Brown level which is what you’re asking for. First time All Star, amazing counting stats — all those positive things. But a lot of those guys in that echelon have done it in the playoffs which Murray hasn’t yet |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Mar 7, 2022 2:21:20 GMT
It’s an EIGHT point intra-season raise you’re asking for. How many guys in D5 have had that? It is super rare, and while Murray was certainly punching well above the 80 he started at this season, he’s not punching at Ja Morant/Jaylen Brown level which is what you’re asking for. First time All Star, amazing counting stats — all those positive things. But a lot of those guys in that echelon have done it in the playoffs which Murray hasn’t yet I mean.. all of DJs advanced stats are better than Brown’s, and Morant could easily be a 90+ with the MVP level of play he’s having. Anyways, I’m done here. I’ve stated my case for an increase. Backed it up with stats. You all can disagree all you want. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Mar 7, 2022 2:26:29 GMT
I mean.. all of DJs advanced stats are better than Brown’s, and Morant could easily be a 90+ with the MVP level of play he’s having. Anyways, I’m done here. I’ve stated my case for an increase. Backed it up with stats. You all can disagree all you want. PER and Win Shares are not advanced stats… |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Mar 7, 2022 2:31:01 GMT
I mean.. all of DJs advanced stats are better than Brown’s, and Morant could easily be a 90+ with the MVP level of play he’s having. Anyways, I’m done here. I’ve stated my case for an increase. Backed it up with stats. You all can disagree all you want. PER and Win Shares are not advanced stats… Does RAPTOR count as an advanced stat? |
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Post by Jared Montini on Mar 7, 2022 2:41:38 GMT
Murray is tied for 41st in total raptor Attachments:
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Mar 7, 2022 2:44:36 GMT
Murray is tied for 41st in total raptor And where is Jaylen Brown? |
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Post by Jared Montini on Mar 7, 2022 2:46:03 GMT
Murray is tied for 41st in total raptor And where is Jaylen Brown? cam Johnson is top 15, should we make him a 90? |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Mar 7, 2022 2:47:32 GMT
And where is Jaylen Brown? cam Johnson is top 15, should we make him a 90? So where is Jaylen Brown, which is what I was arguing? We just gonna pick and choose which advanced stats matter based on what we are arguing? |
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Post by Jared Montini on Mar 7, 2022 2:50:08 GMT
cam Johnson is top 15, should we make him a 90? So where is Jaylen Brown, which is what I was arguing? We just gonna pick and choose which advanced stats matter based on what we are arguing? brown is at 2.2 raptor Murray is at 2.2. I’m not gonna defend Jaylen, I don’t see him as insurmountably better than Murray. But Murray is not an 88 no shot in the universe. |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Mar 7, 2022 2:50:10 GMT
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Post by Jared Montini on Mar 7, 2022 2:52:13 GMT
75.5 was a troll to match your egregious 88. I also voted 83 last time so by higher I meant 84 to 85. |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Mar 7, 2022 2:55:00 GMT
So where is Jaylen Brown, which is what I was arguing? We just gonna pick and choose which advanced stats matter based on what we are arguing? brown is at 2.2 raptor Murray is at 2.2. I’m not gonna defend Jaylen, I don’t see him as insurmountably better than Murray. But Murray is not an 88 no shot in the universe. Murray is a 2.9, Brown is a 2.2. And it's not really the point. The point is he used Jaylen Brown as an example, and Morant for that matter, and he shouldn't have. |
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Post by Jared Montini on Mar 7, 2022 3:00:30 GMT
brown is at 2.2 raptor Murray is at 2.2. I’m not gonna defend Jaylen, I don’t see him as insurmountably better than Murray. But Murray is not an 88 no shot in the universe. Murray is a 2.9, Brown is a 2.2. And it's not really the point. The point is he used Jaylen Brown as an example, and Morant for that matter, and he shouldn't have. well Morant was at 3.9 so he should be much higher? I’m gonna vote my real vote of 85 but overating your players that high isn’t a great look. 88 is crazy |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Mar 7, 2022 3:02:24 GMT
cam Johnson is top 15, should we make him a 90? So where is Jaylen Brown, which is what I was arguing? We just gonna pick and choose which advanced stats matter based on what we are arguing? This is literally what you are doing lol. You try to say Murray is a better defender than Poeltl because of DWS |
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