Larry Bird
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Post by Larry Bird on Jan 14, 2020 18:37:31 GMT
Indiana Pacers Trade:
80 Thaddeus Young $21,126,089
73 Dillon Brooks $934,234
73 Jordan Bell $1,825,600 $3,192,974 $4,668,129
1st 2020 Indiana
1st 2020 Chicago
$23,885,923
Los Angeles Lakers Trade:
81 Eric Gordon $16,000,000
80 Spencer Dinwiddie $1,444,531
70 Cameron Payne $3,414,175
Cristiano Felicio $4,671,180
Aaron Brooks $4,102,893
Rawle Alkins $763,035
$29,632,779
$23,885,923 x 125% = $29,857,403
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Post by Mark Price on Jan 14, 2020 18:56:10 GMT
I was willing to try and re-sign Dinwiddie, but I'm not sure where he fits in with my overall timeline at this point. Also there's no guarantee that he would re-sign anyways. I was looking for a package that gave me two firsts and I was able to find one.
Losing Gordon in this trade is tough, but I'm hoping I can get something for Young's expiring.
I desperately need first round picks especially since I dont own my 2021 pick.
I accept.
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Larry Bird
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Post by Larry Bird on Jan 14, 2020 19:10:40 GMT
This is a lot to give up.
However, I think it’s a trade that helps my team now and in the future.
I get 2 good scorers.
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Post by James Kay on Jan 14, 2020 19:17:50 GMT
Is an expiring Dinwiddie really worth two firsts, albeit likely late ones?
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Post by Mark Price on Jan 14, 2020 19:52:31 GMT
Is an expiring Dinwiddie really worth two firsts, albeit likely late ones? That's a fair question to ask. I will say that Larry wasn't bidding against himself if that makes a difference. |
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jan 14, 2020 19:58:17 GMT
accept
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 14, 2020 22:32:10 GMT
Is an expiring Dinwiddie really worth two firsts, albeit likely late ones? Isn't that his rookie deal though? Could come with bird rights? |
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Post by Larry Bird on Jan 14, 2020 22:36:04 GMT
It does come with bird rights.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 14, 2020 22:41:40 GMT
Yeah! I thought you abandoned us Larry and joined the #KeepTanking movement  #KeepFighting |
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Post by James Kay on Jan 14, 2020 23:20:43 GMT
Is an expiring Dinwiddie really worth two firsts, albeit likely late ones? Isn't that his rookie deal though? Could come with bird rights? How can it be his rookie deal if he’s been in the NBA for 6 years |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jan 14, 2020 23:27:33 GMT
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Post by Larry Bird on Jan 14, 2020 23:32:53 GMT
I’m pretty sure he was traded to LAL while he still had 3 years on his contract.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jan 14, 2020 23:38:55 GMT
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Post by Larry Bird on Jan 14, 2020 23:41:25 GMT
17-18 season rolled on 30 JUN 2018.
Trade was made 13 MAR 2018.
Therefore, Dinwiddie was on LAL’s team 17-18, 18-19, and now 19-20.
That’s 3 seasons.
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Post by Allen Iverson on Jan 14, 2020 23:47:00 GMT
LA has his BRs then, not IND.
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Post by Larry Bird on Jan 15, 2020 0:12:23 GMT
Well, 🥜.
I thought I did my homework to see he was on a 3 year contract.
Guess I traded for a non bird rights Dinwiddie.
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Post by Larry Bird on Jan 16, 2020 10:58:55 GMT
Where does this stand?
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 16, 2020 19:37:42 GMT
Technically Larry Bird you're tied into this trade now. It's up to Mark Price to decide whether he still wants to do it. As harsh as it would be on you to continue with this trade, it would be just as bad to cancel it for the Lakers. |
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Post by James Kay on Jan 16, 2020 19:54:56 GMT
Technically Larry Bird you're tied into this trade now. It's up to Mark Price to decide whether he still wants to do it. As harsh as it would be on you to continue with this trade, it would be just as bad to cancel it for the Lakers. Yet another problem resulting from the nonsensical inability to trade BRs. |
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Post by Mark Price on Jan 16, 2020 20:28:01 GMT
Technically Larry Bird you're tied into this trade now. It's up to Mark Price to decide whether he still wants to do it. As harsh as it would be on you to continue with this trade, it would be just as bad to cancel it for the Lakers. I would like to go through with this trade. I didnt make any promises about BRs being attached. I believe Dinwiddie still has value with his contract expiring and indiana does have the cap space to re-sign him. I will leave this in the committee's hands. |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 16, 2020 20:35:09 GMT
Technically Larry Bird you're tied into this trade now. It's up to Mark Price to decide whether he still wants to do it. As harsh as it would be on you to continue with this trade, it would be just as bad to cancel it for the Lakers. Yet another problem resulting from the nonsensical inability to trade BRs. Non-tradeable bird rights is one of the best things about D5 IMO |
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Post by James Kay on Jan 16, 2020 20:39:34 GMT
Yet another problem resulting from the nonsensical inability to trade BRs. Non-tradeable bird rights is one of the best things about D5 IMO Yes, I'm aware that you believe that it contributes to parity. It's why D5 has such great parity, no? |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 16, 2020 20:41:47 GMT
Non-tradeable bird rights is one of the best things about D5 IMO Yes, I'm aware that you believe that it contributes to parity. It's why D5 has such great parity, no? D5 has worse parity than the NBA bc there are no tickets to be sold or owners to please. Therfore no incentive to operate in the middle ground. If bird rights were tradable parity would be much worse than it is already |
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Post by Larry Bird on Jan 16, 2020 20:59:59 GMT
Alright.
Let’s get it completed then.
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Post by James Kay on Jan 16, 2020 21:03:24 GMT
Yes, I'm aware that you believe that it contributes to parity. It's why D5 has such great parity, no? D5 has worse parity than the NBA bc there are no tickets to be sold or owners to please. Therfore no incentive to operate in the middle ground. If bird rights were tradable parity would be much worse than it is already I think that's a really simplistic way of looking at it. There are so many other impacts of the inability to transfer BRs - teams are heavily disincentivized from trading for good players on 1 or 2 year deal (such that their value becomes essentially zero), so if you hold on to a player for too long they basically lose all their value unless they have 3+ years on their contract. And if a player has 3+ years on their contract teams are especially wary of being bogged down and becoming a "middling team." Because of how long our stock watch process takes (and it only operates as quickly as it does thanks to the assiduous work of Walt), non-rookie players have barely any value as investments because you won't be able to keep them. Without being able to trade BRs, the only players of any real value are those on their rookie deals. IMO, the inability to trade BRs actually leads to more disparity because it only reinforces the rebuilder/contender division we have here. We are also completely lacking the non-BRs exception which allows teams to exceed the cap to re-sign players for up to 120% of their previous year salary. See my post about that here: dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/10214/proposed-rule-change-non-exception |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jan 16, 2020 21:15:24 GMT
I would like to go through with this trade. I didnt make any promises about BRs being attached. I believe Dinwiddie still has value with his contract expiring and indiana does have the cap space to re-sign him. I will leave this in the committee's hands.  |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 16, 2020 22:05:55 GMT
D5 has worse parity than the NBA bc there are no tickets to be sold or owners to please. Therfore no incentive to operate in the middle ground. If bird rights were tradable parity would be much worse than it is already I think that's a really simplistic way of looking at it. There are so many other impacts of the inability to transfer BRs - teams are heavily disincentivized from trading for good players on 1 or 2 year deal (such that their value becomes essentially zero), so if you hold on to a player for too long they basically lose all their value unless they have 3+ years on their contract. And if a player has 3+ years on their contract teams are especially wary of being bogged down and becoming a "middling team." Because of how long our stock watch process takes (and it only operates as quickly as it does thanks to the assiduous work of Walt), non-rookie players have barely any value as investments because you won't be able to keep them. Without being able to trade BRs, the only players of any real value are those on their rookie deals. IMO, the inability to trade BRs actually leads to more disparity because it only reinforces the rebuilder/contender division we have here. We are also completely lacking the non-BRs exception which allows teams to exceed the cap to re-sign players for up to 120% of their previous year salary. See my post about that here: dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/10214/proposed-rule-change-non-exceptionOr.. how about we meet at the middle? Ian Noble Knowing that tankers always outnumbers the fighters in this league. BRs should not be fully tradeable but give incentive to the teams who will receive players that has been with their current team for more than two or three years. Half BR, at least? |
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Post by Danny Longley on Jan 17, 2020 12:08:26 GMT
Interesting discussion above for sure, but we do still have a trade going on here.
Not great value for the Pacers - the picks don't look to be great, but they are still firsts. Dillon Brooks has been good recently, but he's been pretty up and down.
On the other hand, Dinwiddie is the clear best player in the deal. Eric Gordon's been pretty good in his return as well. Pacers at least financially have a shot at keeping Dinwiddie, so I guess it wouldn't kill 'em.
I'll Accept.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 17, 2020 21:13:12 GMT
Trade passed
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