Sac-Min-Atl Blockbuster

[Amare Stoudemire]

Sacramento Trades:
(91) John Wall $29,309,096 $31,946,914 $35,461,074
(89) Jimmy Butler $28,954,350 $32,139,329 $35,674,655 $39,598,867
(77) Wayne Ellington $1,200,000 $2,000,000
Total Salary Outgoing $59,463,446 * 1.25 = $74,329,307

Sacramento Gets:
(85) CJ McCollum $25,467,250 $27,377,294 $29,287,338 $31,197,382 $33,107,426
(84) Eric Bledsoe $27,461,629 $27,461,630 $27,461,631
(80) Dario Saric $1,685,200 $2,583,412 $3,611,609
(78) Trevor Ariza $8,568,000 $9,210,600 $9,901,395 $10,643,999
2020 Sacramento 1st Round 
Total Salary Incoming: $63,182,079

Atlanta Trades:
(80) Dario Saric $1,685,200 $2,583,412 $3,611,609
(78) Trevor Ariza $8,568,000 $9,210,600 $9,901,395 $10,643,999
(74) Lonzo Ball $6,218,300 $7,266,100 $9,169,818 $11,966,613
2020 Sacramento 1st Round
2020 Houston 2nd Round
2021 Atlanta 2nd Round
2022 Atlanta 1st Round
2022 Atlanta 2nd Round
Total Salary Outgoing: $16,471,500

Atlanta Gets:
(89) Jimmy Butler $28,954,350 $32,139,329 $35,674,655 $39,598,867
Total Salary Incoming:$28,954,350
Atlanta has the extra cap space to absorb this

Minnesota Trades:
(85) CJ McCollum $25,467,250 $27,377,294 $29,287,338 $31,197,382 $33,107,426
(84) Eric Bledsoe $27,461,629 $27,461,630 $27,461,631
Total Salary Outgoing: $52,928,879


Minnesota Gets:
(91) John Wall $29,309,096 $31,946,914 $35,461,074
(77) Wayne Ellington $1,200,000 $2,000,000
(74) Lonzo Ball $6,218,300 $7,266,100 $9,169,818 $11,966,613
2020 Houston 2nd Round
2021 Atlanta 2nd Round
2022 Atlanta 1st Round
2022 Atlanta 2nd Round
Total Salary Incoming: $36,727,396

Sacramento accepts
Ghazny Dimalen Jay Z Walt Frazier
To accept and give reasoning

[Amare Stoudemire]

Kings accept
This is a huge trade, but ultimately the way the king's look at this is wall is hurt next year, and might need another year to get his game back if he ever does.
Now we have are athletic point, scoring 2 guard, 3 & d wing with Covington at the 3, a stretch power forward with saric, and are rim protector with Drummond at the 5! We also have a very deep bench and if the team doesn't gel like we think we have are own 20 1st back so all in all we think this is a great deal for the king's franchise and will keep us competive for the foreseeable future!
Ghazny Dimalen for any additional comments

[Andrei Kirilenko]

Very curious to learn which drugs Walt is experimenting with this summer

[Jerry West]

Ok so where's Lonzo headed? Am I missing something?

Edit: Also isn't Wall out for the duration of next year? Is minny paying over 60 million for 1 year of post-Achilles injury wall?

[George Gervin]

I’m confused how Minnesota benefits from this trade unless this is his version of blowing it up, as Wall is effectively a contract now.

And to Jerry’s point, is Minnesota getting Lonzo in this too?

[Amare Stoudemire]

Yes everything fixed now sorry boys it was a large trade

[Jerry West]

Jul 11, 2019 19:51:01 GMT Amare Stoudemire said:

Yes everything fixed now sorry boys it was a large trade

Now there's 2 Lonzos being traded to no destination

[Walt Frazier]

Jul 11, 2019 19:51:01 GMT Amare Stoudemire said:

Yes everything fixed now sorry boys it was a large trade

Lonzo still isn't in the right place.

He's in the part that I'm sending as of now...

[Walt Frazier]

Jul 11, 2019 19:47:53 GMT George Gervin said:

I’m confused how Minnesota benefits from this trade unless this is his version of blowing it up, as Wall is effectively a contract now.

And to Jerry’s point, is Minnesota getting Lonzo in this too?

Wall will come with BRs, ftr.

[Jerry West]

Jul 11, 2019 19:53:18 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Jul 11, 2019 19:47:53 GMT George Gervin said:

I’m confused how Minnesota benefits from this trade unless this is his version of blowing it up, as Wall is effectively a contract now.

And to Jerry’s point, is Minnesota getting Lonzo in this too?

Wall will come with BRs, ftr.

This is as good a time as any to ask. When will the season be effectively over and the contracts either expire or become a year shorter?

[Amare Stoudemire]

All fixed 💯 now sorry guys

[Kevin Hollis]

If Wall wasn't hurt okay, but just confused as why MN is doing this.

[Walt Frazier]

Jul 11, 2019 19:57:13 GMT Amare Stoudemire said:

All fixed 💯 now sorry guys

Lonzo also has a TO in Year 3 of this contract. Just like accuracy on these, as it also helps Ian when processing.

[Walt Frazier]

Jul 11, 2019 20:01:07 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

If Wall wasn't hurt okay, but just confused as why MN is doing this.

If Wall wasn't hurt there's no way I get this package for what I'm giving...

[Amare Stoudemire]

Their u go Walt I think that's everything

[Kevin Hollis]

Jul 11, 2019 20:02:31 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Jul 11, 2019 20:01:07 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

If Wall wasn't hurt okay, but just confused as why MN is doing this.

If Wall wasn't hurt there's no way I get this package for what I'm giving...

I don't think Wall is much better than CJ before the injury, if not at all. Definitely won't be when he returns. At least you get rid of the Bledsoe contract.

[Walt Frazier]

Jul 11, 2019 20:06:09 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

Jul 11, 2019 20:02:31 GMT Walt Frazier said:

If Wall wasn't hurt there's no way I get this package for what I'm giving...

I don't think Wall is much better than CJ before the injury, if not at all. Definitely won't be when he returns. At least you get rid of the Bledsoe contract.

You would be the only person in the league that would maybe give me Wall straight up for McCollum, PRE-injury. Hard to believe, tbh. Why was Wall a 91 and McCollum an 85? Sure, that's a league-wide vote not your personal vote but getting to 90 and breaking through 90 is a really tough bar in this league. Speaks for itself, at least a bit. I'll write up my breakdown/reasoning soon though.

[Kevin Hollis]

Jul 11, 2019 20:10:48 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Jul 11, 2019 20:06:09 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

I don't think Wall is much better than CJ before the injury, if not at all. Definitely won't be when he returns. At least you get rid of the Bledsoe contract.

You would be the only person in the league that would maybe give me Wall straight up for McCollum, PRE-injury. Hard to believe, tbh. Why was Wall a 91 and McCollum an 85? Sure, that's a league-wide vote not your personal vote but getting to 90 and breaking through 90 is a really tough bar in this league. Speaks for itself, at least a bit. I'll write up my breakdown/reasoning soon though.

Didn't say I would trade them straight up. Only difference is Wall passes more which adds to the stat line; thus, a higher rating. CJ has better shooting %s, PPG, rebounding is a push, and will last longer in the league due to play style etc. Plus, Wall has been hurt for two years now. Played 40 games the year before this year. Just giving my opinion, obviously I don't know as much as others about basketball, but I think trading for past value isn't smart. Trade for what is or what will rather than what was.

[Walt Frazier]

First, here's how I broke down the trade personally:

1) McCollum for Wall straight up. This was the hard part for me. Wall is obviously a risk. I'm not denying that. The difference of opinion is probably on the "how good can he be again" front, or maybe on the "just how MUCH of a risk is he" front. End of the day, I felt the upside of a (potentially) 90+ rated player, a golden goose the likes of which has never graced Minnesota in the annals of D5 history, was a very high reward and worth the risk.

1a) I should say, part of this reasoning/decision is also the recognition that I don't have much upside youth left on the team, and I've already been proven to be behind multiple teams in the West. I like competing, but I also get a bit tired of being a middling-competing team. It's pretty frustrating. The entirety of last season, I enjoyed the wins but every time said to myself "yea but, no WAY I'm beating Denver, or Golden State, and shit, Memphis and Houston look so damn good, too". Not to mention OKC's never-ending competitiveness, and other upcoming teams like the Spurs. I saw the end for this team's upside/potential, and I'm trying to change things up and take a risk.

2) Bledsoe for Lonzo, Ellington, ATL's 1st in 2022, plus (3) 2nd Round picks, one of which is also in 2022. As someone who has shopped Bledsoe on and off for literally years, I actually think this is a fantastic haul for him. There are still so many great PG's in the league, and the vibe I've gotten from every person I've talked to Bledsoe is that he just doesn't excite anyone. He's probably an 83-85 for a few more years, which is cool, but it's not getting me out of the First Round and he does have a little bit of a high contract. At the time, I kind of didn't care, I thought my full team of 80's might make some noise, but things aren't clicking.

- Lonzo has upside. I've seen some interesting projections on him, and in New Orleans, I'm feeling optimistic right now. His defense is also already very elite, which I don't think he gets enough credit for right now.

- Ellington is just so I can have a somewhat believable starting SG, tbh. And he's on a super cheap contract. Love his value in a vacuum, though admittedly doesn't move the needle on his own in this trade that much.

- The Picks. 2022 is still a possibly very interesting draft. Maybe too much has been made out of that, but I'm still intrigued and value picks in that year. I value picks in all years. I want to take more and more chances on draft picks, so, I need more and more picks wherever possible.

So, Lonzo (upside, young PG in a new location IRL) plus a small horde of picks including a 1st for Bledsoe who very few teams were interested in, plus a great role player / low end starter, and I'm really very happy with this end of the trade.

Accept.

[Jeremiah Hill]

All hail the God Trade King Amare Stoudamire!

[Jay Z]

Andrei Kirilenko  called me a "Facebook Philanthropist" on his Off-Season Free Agency Safari article and his words cut deep, so I uprooted my whole team based on that alone.  Fuck you Josh, I like dope jeeps and big guns just as much as the next guy.

But seriously, I accept.  Fox has given me a lot of optimism, this is his franchise and i want to pair him with the best players I can.  It started with Lauri, but stopping there and sitting on our hands was not an option.  Butler legitimizes our playoffs aspirations this year, and with further progress from our young duo could just make the Atlanta Hawks a team other star players want to play for.

[Jared Montini]

I like this deal alot for all parties. Walt made the right choice by getting younger

[Bryan Colangelo]

Accept, love it for all teams!

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

Someone was ripped off. I will not tell you which team but around two years from now, one of the teams will look back at this trade as one of the primary reasons for their demise.

[Ghazny Dimalen]

I accept after amare became my assistant he gives me an idea that we can be a competetive by going young. Plus we have picks. I will give my other reason later.

[Jeremiah Hill]

Jul 11, 2019 22:53:18 GMT Hanamichi Sakuragi said:

Someone was ripped off. I will not tell you which team but around two years from now, one of the teams will look back at this trade as one of the primary reasons for their demise.

For sure. Happens to the best of us. 

[Walt Frazier]

Jul 11, 2019 22:53:18 GMT Hanamichi Sakuragi said:

Someone was ripped off. I will not tell you which team but around two years from now, one of the teams will look back at this trade as one of the primary reasons for their demise.

You can say it. We're all big boys.

What you do with these comments is give yourself a way out later. If you have a real opinion, just say it. Otherwise, you can just point back at the generic non-opinion and say you were right even if you were thinking of a different team. It's cheap.

Unless your actual point is just that most trades end up better for someone and worse for someone than we all think in the moment, then I agree.

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

Jul 12, 2019 3:57:33 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Jul 11, 2019 22:53:18 GMT Hanamichi Sakuragi said:

Someone was ripped off. I will not tell you which team but around two years from now, one of the teams will look back at this trade as one of the primary reasons for their demise.

You can say it. We're all big boys.

What you do with these comments is give yourself a way out later. If you have a real opinion, just say it. Otherwise, you can just point back at the generic non-opinion and say you were right even if you were thinking of a different team. It's cheap.

Unless your actual point is just that most trades end up better for someone and worse for someone than we all think in the moment, then I agree.

How come you realize that Walt but failed to realize that the others know it too that you don't need to bring it out to the public. 

[Walt Frazier]

Jul 12, 2019 5:27:10 GMT Hanamichi Sakuragi said:

Jul 12, 2019 3:57:33 GMT Walt Frazier said:

You can say it. We're all big boys.

What you do with these comments is give yourself a way out later. If you have a real opinion, just say it. Otherwise, you can just point back at the generic non-opinion and say you were right even if you were thinking of a different team. It's cheap.

Unless your actual point is just that most trades end up better for someone and worse for someone than we all think in the moment, then I agree.

How come you realize that Walt but failed to realize that the others know it too that you don't need to bring it out to the public. 

#1 - I still don't know if you actually have an opinion on who gets ripped off on this trade.
#2 - I still don't know if you are just making a point about trades looking different in 2-3 years than they do now.

I am far from upset at you btw, I just want you to actually put your opinion out there if you have it. If not, I don't think it's that helpful to remind us that this trade will look different in 3 years. But, if that's what you like to do, carry on.

I'm just curious what your take is on the deal if you'd care to share.

[Walt Frazier]

Jul 11, 2019 19:37:16 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

Very curious to learn which drugs Walt is experimenting with this summer

The kind that makes my team beat your team. Could be next year, could be in 24 years, but my comment means so little and is so unspecific, it will be hard to prove me wrong.