Cleveland - Indiana - Portland

[Larry Bird]

Cleveland Trades:
76 Kentavious Caldwell Pope $10,000,000 $10,750,000 $11,500,000 $12,250,000
75 Luc Mbah a Moute $3,500,000 $4,300,000 $5,000,000
57th
59th
2020 DEN 2nd
$13,500,000

Cleveland Gets:
79 Wesley Matthews $13,973,452 $14,951,595
75 Michael Beasley $1,250,000 $1,250,000
72 Salah Mejri $831,311 $831,311
2020 MEM 2nd
2021 BKN 2nd
$16,054,763
$13,500,000 x 125% = $16,875,000
$16,875,000 > $16,054,763

Indiana Trades:
80 Jonas Valanciunas $24,440,000 $25,380,000 $26,320,000
79 Wesley Matthews $13,973,452 $14,951,595
2020 MEM 2nd
2021 BKN 2nd
2022 1st Portland
$38,413,452

Indiana Gets:
78 Marcus Morris $14,785,200 $16,411,572
75 Luc Mbah a Moute $3,500,000 $4,300,000 $5,000,000
71 Donte DiVincenzo $1,690,300 $2,006,300 $2,344,400 $3,605,687 $5,116,470
71 Miles Plumlee $6,717,542 $7,456,471
70 Justin Anderson $2,300,079 $3,263,812
12th
2020 DEN 2nd
$28,993,121

Portland Trades:
78 Marcus Morris $14,785,200 $16,411,572
75 Michael Beasley $1,250,000 $1,250,000
72 Salah Mejri $831,311 $831,311
71 Miles Plumlee $6,717,542 $7,456,471
71 Donte DiVincenzo $1,690,300 $2,006,300 $2,344,400 $3,605,687 $5,116,470
70 Justin Anderson $2,300,079 $3,263,812
12th
$27,574,432

Portland Gets:
80 Jonas Valanciunas $24,440,000 $25,380,000 $26,320,000
76 Kentavious Caldwell Pope $10,000,000 $10,750,000 $11,500,000 $12,250,000
57th
59th
2022 1st Portland
$34,440,000
$27,574,432 x 125% = $34,468,040
$34,468,040 > $34,440,000

Hanamichi Sakuragi
Jerry West

Ian Noble
Danny Longley
Alex English
Walt Frazier
Bryan Colangelo

[Jerry West]

Ok so this is my first trade as the Portland GM that hopefully will be accepted. First of all, I think I should say what I’m getting back that makes me do this trade, and it’s obviously my 2022 1st Round Pick. Now to get it back I’m obviously giving away my 18 and 19 first rounders, so I’m basically paying 2 of my own first rounders for my own future first rounder, if that makes sense. But the 2022 has more value to me not due to the possible double draft (that I think people are overrating) but since I get back some flexibility about my option for the future. If we want to tank, we can tank. If we want to go for it, we can go for it. And has of yesterday our only realistic option would be going for it since we would own 0 second picks and only our pick in 2021.

Moving on to the players, by taking Val and KCP, I’m throwing away the chance of possible signing a max FA next year to join DeMar and Kyle, but Kyle probably only has another 2 All-Star years left in him and we want to take our chances until then. Also, we have no intention of letting Philadelphia have a lottery pick at our cost.

Are they overpaid? Well yeah, but they are good players and I really liked what Val showed in Memphis. And KCP is the classic 3 and D player most teams today need with his contract running up until he is 29, so it’s not bad value.

Unfortunately, I will be parting away with Donte who I liked, just thought he had an unlucky rookie season with injuries on a stacked roster, so he wouldn’t be part of our timeline, glad that he at least got to start for us at the end of the season. And also Marcus Morris, who will leave a gap at the PF position that we’ll need to fill in Free Agency and was on an expiring deal. All the others players where also expiring which is a shame since they can always net you some draft picks from desperate teams looking for expirings, but I’m getting good value here.

To top it all of we get the 57th and 59th, and obviously the odds of them becoming NBA players are really slim so they have almost 0 value, but our roster right now is Kyle, DeMar, KCP, Val, Dudley and Noah. That’s 6 players, so getting another 2 free players to fill the roster is always good, and it will put us at 8 before Free Agency.

All in all I think it’s a good deal for all parties who all have a clear goal, let’s hope it works out for all 3 teams.

Danny Ainge

[Larry Bird]

I accept this trade.
I use one of the future picks to trade back into this draft. Valanciunas was a quality center for me. He is on a large contract, though. Having Allen on my bench allows me to fill the hole at my starting center position. Morris will be a big man off the bench. I get a young guy, who had injury issues last season. DiVincenzo is on a great team, MIL. They should develop him into a good piece. I also get two role players in Mbah a Moute and Plumlee. Hate to see Matthews go as he was a Pacer type guy. Quality character and great all around team player.

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

I accept. My plan changes because of what happened in the lottery. So, I do want to make sure now that I will have cap space the earliest possible. I am happy to help facility for Larry and Jerry. I think KCP has one more card under his sleeve and if he goes to the right team, he will surely up his value next season. I will miss him.

[Alex English]

Accept. Everyone gets something their looking for. This could be a steal by Portland too. JV has always dominated offensively whenever given playing time. What kept him off the floor in Toronto was not being agile enough for the Raptors switch heavy defense. If Memphis gives him 30+ mpg, he will put up huge numbers.

[Kevin Hollis]

OKay just so I know, is Portland allowed to trade his first this year if he doesn't have his next year's pick? IDC, just wondering.

[Jerry West]

Jun 19, 2019 0:47:20 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

OKay just so I know, is Portland allowed to trade his first this year if he doesn't have his next year's pick? IDC, just wondering.

I followed the same thinking of the Brooklyn - Raptors trade where it will go on stand by until draft night

[George Gervin]

Jun 19, 2019 0:47:20 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

OKay just so I know, is Portland allowed to trade his first this year if he doesn't have his next year's pick? IDC, just wondering.

I think this would be the same as the recent Nets-Raptors trade where the trade is queued until the Nets pick for the Raptors at 6, then the trade is complete. That’s if we’re taking the Stepien Rule to that technical of a degree

[Kevin Hollis]

Jun 19, 2019 0:49:43 GMT George Gervin said:

Jun 19, 2019 0:47:20 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

OKay just so I know, is Portland allowed to trade his first this year if he doesn't have his next year's pick? IDC, just wondering.

I think this would be the same as the recent Nets-Raptors trade where the trade is queued until the Nets pick for the Raptors at 6, then the trade is complete. That’s if we’re taking the Stepien Rule to that technical of a degree

Alright, thanks for the clarification.

[Kevin Hollis]

Jun 19, 2019 0:50:38 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

Jun 19, 2019 0:49:43 GMT George Gervin said:

I think this would be the same as the recent Nets-Raptors trade where the trade is queued until the Nets pick for the Raptors at 6, then the trade is complete. That’s if we’re taking the Stepien Rule to that technical of a degree

Alright, thanks for the clarification. So does the added salary of that pick have to be considered in a post trade state?

[Jerry West]

Jun 19, 2019 0:51:27 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

Jun 19, 2019 0:50:38 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

Alright, thanks for the clarification. So does the added salary of that pick have to be considered in a post trade state?

It would still work if we count it. But I might be wrong here, but can't we just trade BR and then sign the pick/player? Genuine question

[George Gervin]

Jun 19, 2019 0:51:27 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

Jun 19, 2019 0:50:38 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

Alright, thanks for the clarification. So does the added salary of that pick have to be considered in a post trade state?

That is a good question; my inclination would be no, since even draft night trades that happen in real life don’t factor in that picks salary since it doesn’t actually trigger on a team’s books till the start of the next league year on July 1

[Kevin Hollis]

dynasty5ive.proboards.com/post/91910

So Ian says Charlotte can't trade their first in this post. Am I missing something? I believe the trading of the first is not tied to the hard cap, maybe I am wrong.

[Jerry West]

Jun 19, 2019 13:22:32 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

dynasty5ive.proboards.com/post/91910

So Ian says Charlotte can't trade their first in this post. Am I missing something? I believe the trading of the first is not tied to the hard cap, maybe I am wrong.

This has nothing to do with the hard cap, none of us are close to it. Charlotte can't trade because due to the Stepien rule they would have to make the selection and then trade the pick, but they can't make the selection do to their hard cap situation. Since I'm under the cap I can make the selection, just not trade it before the draft. So just like the Nets-Raps trade,if the trade is accepted by the committee it will go to Queue until the draft starts. Hope that explains it.

Also calling Ian Noble, Danny Longley, Walt Frazier and Bryan Colangelo for review

[Kevin Hollis]

Jun 19, 2019 13:26:58 GMT Jerry West said:

Jun 19, 2019 13:22:32 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

dynasty5ive.proboards.com/post/91910

So Ian says Charlotte can't trade their first in this post. Am I missing something? I believe the trading of the first is not tied to the hard cap, maybe I am wrong.

This has nothing to do with the hard cap, none of us are close to it. Charlotte can't trade because due to the Stepien rule they would have to make the selection and then trade the pick, but then can't make the selection do to their hard cap situation. Since I'm under the cap I can make the selection, just not trade it before the draft. So just like the Nets-Raps trade,if the trade is accepted by the committee it will go to Queue until the draft starts. Hope that explains it.

Also calling Ian Noble , Danny Longley , Walt Frazier and Bryan Colangelo for review

My salary cap question had nothing to do with this trade. Again, all my questions relate to Charlotte's first because we were in trade talks and the status of his 1st was/is relevant to the deal. Either way, the comment clears it up, thanks.

[Danny Longley]

Accept.

[Bryan Colangelo]

I accept

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

thanks!

[Jerry West]

Trade passed?

[Ian Noble]

Trade passed