CHI - SAC

[Jerry West]

Apr 10, 2019 3:59:40 GMT Ghazny Dimalen said:

Waiting for my confirmation regarding in this trade?

I accept. I know all of you will side on chicago in this trade. Because he can get damian the big fish in this trade, i will not argue with that and in return i got aging butler and injured wall, but for my team this important to try new and explore some moves to improve my team, in other threads here in D5 someone said that "if there is most disappointing team that is sacramento kings" for the 2 season i manage this team damian and lillard is my main man but they are still came short in playoffs just like last season. In papers we are invincible but in reality and result we are an average team.

In this trade i will explore changes in my team and look for new formula to win eversince i handle this team my 2-3 spot is our hole by acquiring jimmy butler and if roco and wall heal that probability of winning a championship will ncreasebut this is risky and i believe high risk high rewards and also big chance of failure.

Oh great my Power Rankings just made this trade happen

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

There is a reason why TCs are there. Just saying.

Also, Reject is also an option.

Stop with the "it is not rejectable.." thingy. The system of deciding trades is through the TCs and the TCs alone! Do your job boys or maybe the time has come for a reshuffle.

[Shane Battier]

Apr 10, 2019 11:24:16 GMT Hanamichi Sakuragi said:

There is a reason why TCs are there. Just saying.

Also, Reject is also an option.

Stop with the "it is not rejectable.." thingy. The system of deciding trades is through the TCs and the TCs alone! Do your job boys or maybe the time has come for a reshuffle.

I'd like to say this again, we are all risk-takers here. If you are not taking a calculated risk, you won't be able to win in this kind of game. Just because a high-risk, high-reward isn't for you, it doesn't mean that others won't take them as well. I don't see anything wrong with accepting a trade because it is "not rejectable". The TC is there to scrutinize trades and avoid franchise-wrecking moves, but to stop us from taking high-risk, high-reward is another way of telling us how to manage our team and I don't think that's okay. We should have the freedom to manage our team the way we envision it, and not for other GMs to tell us who to trade and who to keep.

[Shane Battier]

There's a reason why it is a committee and not a single person who has the power to decide. Trades are judged based on perceived value thus, it will always be subjective. How can anyone be so sure of how Wall recovers from his injury? Remembered Paul George's injury? I can say that he is even better now than before the injury occured. As for Gordon, he has still been struggling to find his rhythm. As long as it's not a Lebron James for a late 2nd rd pick type of deal, I don't think it should be rejected.

[Ian Noble]

I accept.

It just isn't rejectable, as much as that pains Mr Sakuragi

[Ghazny Dimalen]

Up

[Ghazny Dimalen]

Any update?

[Walt Frazier]

I'm going to accept as well. I can see how this could blow up on either team, though Sacramento takes more risk with Wall's injury. Still, I understand the desire to not float in the bottom of the playoffs.

Accept

[Kareem Abdul-Jabbar]

John Wall will be out next season right? ^^

[Ian Noble]

Alex English
Bryan Colangelo
Danny Longley

[Danny Longley]

Honestly flip-flopping so much on this trade, mostly stuck on how to properly value John Wall.

The breakdown in my head for this trade is something like: Butler for Lillard, Wall for Favors, Howard for Olynyk, then all the other small pieces.

Butler for Lillard is advantage CHI - I don't think Butler is as bad as some others are implying, but I do think the gap is larger than the current 91-89 in ratings. Butler's probably more an 86-87 right now IMO - only 2-3 points, but pretty significant when it comes to these higher tiers.

Howard for Olynyk pretty much cancel out, both are pretty bad contracts. Olynyk is the larger contract, but Dwight's could become a brick pretty soon.

The extras favor CHI as well - Best of the bunch are probably Mudiay, Bullock then McConnell. Two of them are headed CHI's way yet he somehow still ends up with the picks.

Favors' contract is pretty heavy, but he's actually surprisingly effective despite the not so flashy numbers - honestly came in thinking he'd be a big negative as well, but he's actually been really good for the Jazz this year. I'm not saying Favors - Wall is a wash, but he at least deserves to stay at an 82 IMO.

Wall meanwhile, while I get some of the optimism considering the effective returns of PG and DMC, there are still cases like Hayward and IT. I don't think you should expect the same of what'll be a 31-year old PG whose game is heavily based off athleticism. He's going to be an actual brick for likely most of next season if not all, locking up $31m for the Kings. He'll also cost the Kings a starter immediately, something that may matter considering there's still 20-ish games left.
 
Maybe Wall comes back as an All-Star and shames me into the ground, but right now he's a player with a very serious injury that costs a lot of money.

Again, It's really close for me, but there are too many things that lean CHI for me, compounded by SAC giving up the best piece in the deal.

Putting in a reject for now.

[Alex English]

I'd rather continue acting like this trade doesn't exist, because I hate this trade. It's been too long though I guess. I hate that Sacramento loses their identity. Lillard was drafted by the Kings and has stayed there ever since. Now he's being traded for such a risky group of players that just don't guarantee any improvement for the Kings future. It's just so unrealistic and probably a bad move in the long run. What I hate most about it though is that I ultimately agree with Ian, this just isn't rejectable. So I accept.

[Ian Noble]

Trade passed.

As Alex English points out - this is a historic trade for the Kings. Damian Lillard has been the face of Sacramento basketball since he was drafted in 2013. The Kings were a powerhouse when Lillard teamed up with Westbrook and Marc Gasol a few years ago.