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Post by Shane Battier on Apr 9, 2019 13:58:06 GMT
(89) Jimmy Butler - $28,954,350 $32,139,329 $35,674,655 $39,598,867
(91) John Wall - $29,309,096 $31,946,914 $35,461,074
(82) Dwight Howard - $8,568,000 $9,210,600 $9,853,200 $10,495,800
(73) Ian Mahinmi - $4,091,450 $4,398,308 $4,728,181
(75) Thabo Sefolosha - $831,311
(73) TJ McConnell - $2,645,000 $3,041,750
Shelvin Mack (C)- $2,010,000 $2,510,000
Total Outgoing: $76,409,207
Total Incoming: $80,675,177
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(90) Damian Lillard - $26,606,250 $28,601,719 $30,746,848 $33,052,862
(82) Derrick Favors - $24,318,530 $26,993,568 $29,962,860
(77) Evan Turner - $9,744,371
(77) Kelly Olynyk - $12,500,000 $13,125,000 $13,791,250 $14,470,312 $15,193,828
(76) Reggie Bullock - $3,200,000 $2,400,000
(73) Emmanuel Mudiay - $4,306,026 $5,709,791
CHI 2019 2nd rd pick
SAS 2020 2nd rd pick
SAC 2020 2nd rd pick
Total Outgoing: $80,675,177
Total Incoming: $76,409,207
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Post by George Gervin on Apr 9, 2019 14:01:12 GMT
Lillard, Kawhi, and Cousins on the same squad? Wow— what a big time move by Chicago here
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Post by Jerry West on Apr 9, 2019 14:20:44 GMT
Lillard, Kawhi, and Cousins on the same squad? Wow— what a big time move by Chicago here Wall, Butler, Covington and Drummond ain't bad either for SAC. What's Chicago starting lineup? Rondo, Lillard, Kawhi, Favors, DMC? The east should be really scared |
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Post by Jared Montini on Apr 9, 2019 14:36:14 GMT
Love it for chicago. Wall has a pretty bad contract since he'll be missing over a year of basketball. Pairing up Dame and Kawhi is gonna be sick for the next few years
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Apr 9, 2019 14:37:30 GMT
Your welcome Shane Battier and i told you it would be a great move! |
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Post by George Gervin on Apr 9, 2019 14:39:31 GMT
Lillard, Kawhi, and Cousins on the same squad? Wow— what a big time move by Chicago here Wall, Butler, Covington and Drummond ain't bad either for SAC. What's Chicago starting lineup? Rondo, Lillard, Kawhi, Favors, DMC? The east should be really scared Dunno what version of Wall is gonna return in 2020– he had a heel injury in one foot and Achilles tear in the other. Doesn’t bode well for a guy whose game is built on athleticism. I agree it’s not bad on paper for SAC, but it’s not without high risk |
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Post by Jerry West on Apr 9, 2019 14:45:25 GMT
Wall, Butler, Covington and Drummond ain't bad either for SAC. What's Chicago starting lineup? Rondo, Lillard, Kawhi, Favors, DMC? The east should be really scared Dunno what version of Wall is gonna return in 2020– he had a heel injury in one foot and Achilles tear in the other. Doesn’t bode well for a guy whose game is built on athleticism. I agree it’s not bad on paper for SAC, but it’s not without high risk 100%. Don't get me wrong I think Chicago wins this by a mile. Butler is getting old, John Wall is a incognito, Howard contract is horrible and the complementary players that SAC are sending are clearly better than the Bulls one. And despite all that the Bulls are also the team getting picks. But I guess that you have to take risks sometimes and SAC did. |
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Post by George Gervin on Apr 9, 2019 14:49:32 GMT
Dunno what version of Wall is gonna return in 2020– he had a heel injury in one foot and Achilles tear in the other. Doesn’t bode well for a guy whose game is built on athleticism. I agree it’s not bad on paper for SAC, but it’s not without high risk 100%. Don't get me wrong I think Chicago wins this by a mile. Butler is getting old, John Wall is a incognito, Howard contract is horrible and the complementary players that SAC are sending are clearly better than the Bulls one. And despite all that the Bulls are also the team getting picks. But I guess that you have to take risks sometimes and SAC did. Yeah I don’t get the picks going to Chicago— maybe Wall isn’t a throw in to this deal and worth only some 2nds. Agreed the overall trade feels won by Chicago, but it is a chemistry gamble as Chicago was in the zone the last month racking up wins |
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Post by Shane Battier on Apr 9, 2019 14:59:55 GMT
I accept. An era which hasn't really started (due to injuries) will come to an end. I've waited for two years to see what my team can do when healthy but it just didn't happen. With Wall's injury, I don't feel comfortable wasting another year waiting for my guys to be healthy. Its great that Ghazny and I came up with this deal which I think is beneficial for both teams. Props to Amare Stoudemire for his inputs and for pushing me to proceed with the trade as I was a bit hesitant to make this kind of move. |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 9, 2019 16:23:17 GMT
This is an unmitigated disaster for the Kings. Jimmy Butler is having his worst season in 4 years and John Wall is dead, likely to never come back to his previous level, let alone be worth even half his salary. The Dwight Howard contract is radioactive. They essentially get neutral to negative assets.
Meanwhile Damien Lillard is younger than everyone else in the trade and is having his best ever season and is only improving. With his contract he's one of the top assets in D5.
This makes 0 sense for Sacramento
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 9, 2019 16:25:33 GMT
It's not declineable but anyone else feel like Sacramento gets hosed here?
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 9, 2019 17:58:57 GMT
We're yet to hear from Ghanzny but I'll chip in.
My first thought is that Chicago destroys in this trade. Lillard's the best player in the deal, he's going to continue being the franchise player face of the Blazers IRL, there's no sign that's going to change anytime soon. Favors isn't so good as he was hyped early in his career but he's also at least a consistent presence.
Jimmy Butler's the best player the Kings are getting back, he's a very good but not great player who is at risk of a decrease soon given his reduced role on the Sixers roster. John Wall is highly likely to never be John Wall again. The rest of this deal is just filler really. Dwight's definitely not going to be Dwight again.
Well done Shane Battier.
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Post by George Gervin on Apr 9, 2019 18:05:06 GMT
It's not declineable but anyone else feel like Sacramento gets hosed here? I wouldn’t say hosed, but the risk for Sacramento is definitely higher than Chicago. A ton riding on how Wall looks when he returns and how Butler ages over the next couple of seasons for this to be considered a draw for Sacramento |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 18:08:58 GMT
I like the defensive duo of Jimmy Buckets and RoCo
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Post by Jerry West on Apr 9, 2019 18:30:58 GMT
This is an unmitigated disaster for the Kings. Jimmy Butler is having his worst season in 4 years and John Wall is dead, likely to never come back to his previous level, let alone be worth even half his salary. The Dwight Howard contract is radioactive. They essentially get neutral to negative assets. Meanwhile Damien Lillard is younger than everyone else in the trade and is having his best ever season and is only improving. With his contract he's one of the top assets in D5. This makes 0 sense for Sacramento I mean after thinking more about it there's really no reason for SAC to do this. Favors, Lilliard, Mudiay, Bullock and Kelly all make much more sense timeline wise (and are on way better contracts) next to Drummond and Covington than Butler, Wall, Howard and Ian Mahinmi. Plus we all agree SAC is getting robbed and despite that they still send 3 second round picks to the Bulls? What? They are sending the best players head and shoulders above the rest, getting horrible contracts in return and yet they are sending picks away? Your right it makes 0 sense at all especially knowing Butler and Wall situation. I don't understand how Shane Battier needed help to know if he should take this deal or not. He got rid of 3 overpaid players on long contracts and got a Superstar in return. And some young solid guys to help the team. |
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Apr 9, 2019 18:55:19 GMT
Because Jerry West some gms arent quite as aggressive as i, or some others may be! Plus he wanted to make sure he made the right deal for his team there's nothing wrong with that. We were already talking about wall as me representing the blazers and his trade with sacto was brought up and i simply gave Shane Battier my thoughts and suggestions as a fellow d5 member to help him out!! |
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Post by James Kay on Apr 9, 2019 20:28:49 GMT
Jimmy Butler is having his worst season in 4 years Without speaking to any other aspect of this trade - why do you say this? I didn't think Butler was having a down season at all. His stats all seem in line with previous years minus maybe a small and negligible hit from playing on a team with two ball dominant players in Embiid and Simmons. If anything, his ability to mesh should be commended given how much Butler, Simmons, and Embiid all need the ball |
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Post by Jay Z on Apr 9, 2019 20:32:02 GMT
Ghanzny is creating a hole in his roster at either the 2/3/4 (depending on how he moves Cov and Butler in the lineup), which he'll have to rely on his MLE to fill. But hes also taking on more money next year, so he won't have access to his full MLE if the 109 cap projection holds (its minimal now, but if Ian factors in rookie salary's into the MLE its even less).
Plus this risk is all for a single year of John Wall, guys on a 3 year contract here. He's already done for this year and there is a real possibility he doesn't play next year (WAS just salary dumped Porter Jr., whats the chances they tank next year and tell Wall to sit home and recover instead of bringing him back with 2 months left in the season). So you get to see Wall for one year than decide if you want to pay a 31 year old one year removed from a ruptured Achilles a big contract.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 9, 2019 21:19:50 GMT
Jimmy Butler is having his worst season in 4 years Without speaking to any other aspect of this trade - why do you say this? Lowest PPG in 5 years Lowest FTA per game in 5 years Lowest 3P% in 3 years Lowest AST% in 4 years Lowest TRB% in 3 years Lowest TS% in 3 years Lowest PER in 5 years Lowest BPM in 5 years Lowest Real Plus Minus in 3 years Jimmy Butler was a top 12 if not top 10 player the last 3 seasons. He's still good now but not close to that level anymore |
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Post by Mark Price on Apr 9, 2019 21:31:26 GMT
Words can't describe how bad the Wall and Howard contracts are. Being able to move both and a declining star for Lillard, picks(?), and role players is a steal. I'm not sure how this could be more one sided tbh.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Apr 9, 2019 21:48:31 GMT
It's okay. Someone just say the will offer Cousins the max contract next year and Chicago can't resign him. 10 year+ player can get a 35% of the cap in D5. Cap is supposed to be at $109M next year, so that is $38.1M, or $4.3M more if he opts out. It will be a fun off season for some. For others....
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Post by James Kay on Apr 9, 2019 21:54:18 GMT
Without speaking to any other aspect of this trade - why do you say this? Lowest PPG in 5 years Lowest FTA per game in 5 years Lowest 3P% in 3 years Lowest AST% in 4 years Lowest TRB% in 3 years Lowest TS% in 3 years Lowest PER in 5 years Lowest BPM in 5 years Lowest Real Plus Minus in 3 years Jimmy Butler was a top 12 if not top 10 player the last 3 seasons. He's still good now but not close to that level anymore None of these are substantial decreases though, just seems like noise. Plus probably impacted by the debacle that was MIN this season |
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Post by Tom Izzo on Apr 9, 2019 22:21:29 GMT
Howard coming off the bench behind Drummond? What a time to be alive.
Sacramento is in win now mode but seems to be stuck in a 2nd round playoff team type of team. To everyone questioning it, though, I ask what is Sacramento to do? Blow it up and join half the league in tanking?
John Wall, Jimmy Butler, Andre Drummond, Dwight Howard isn't winning a Championship. But it'll keep them in the playoff race the next couple of years. Dame is the best player in the trade but he's getting two stars in return. Even if they are injury prone/having a down year, it's a shot to bolster their core.
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Apr 9, 2019 23:56:45 GMT
Really like this for Chicago. What started out as a promising roster, kind of dwindled with injuries, but Shane was able to switch it up and get a star back in Dame. I like their big three of Cousins, Lillard and Kawhi more than what they had with Wall and Butler in the lineup. Mudiay and Favors are solid rotation pieces as well.
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Post by Shane Battier on Apr 10, 2019 0:37:09 GMT
Many have counted out Cousins when he was injured and that's when I took the risk to acquire him via trade. I don't think that it makes sense for him to opt-out of his contract. He has been playing well, yes, but we are yet to see how he really is playing in a full season without the minutes restriction. It's not that big of an amount he's going to lose by opting in especially given the current situation of our team, and when this trade gets accepted.
Ghazny is taking the same risk I took 2 seasons ago. We can speculate all we want of what John Wall will be when he recovers from his injury but the truth is, none of us can really know. As I see it, it's two all-stars in exchange for one.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 10, 2019 0:51:51 GMT
Me no see ratings, me no vote.
Me no see both parties accept, me no vote.
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Post by Shane Battier on Apr 10, 2019 1:12:04 GMT
Me no see ratings, me no vote. Me no see both parties accept, me no vote. My bad. will edit the main post |
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Post by Shane Battier on Apr 10, 2019 1:18:09 GMT
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Post by Ghazny Dimalen on Apr 10, 2019 1:35:35 GMT
Wait im in the middle of meeting inwill post my rationale later thank you
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Post by Ghazny Dimalen on Apr 10, 2019 3:59:40 GMT
Waiting for my confirmation regarding in this trade?
I accept. I know all of you will side on chicago in this trade. Because he can get damian the big fish in this trade, i will not argue with that and in return i got aging butler and injured wall, but for my team this important to try new and explore some moves to improve my team, in other threads here in D5 someone said that "if there is most disappointing team that is sacramento kings" for the 2 season i manage this team damian and lillard is my main man but they are still came short in playoffs just like last season. In papers we are invincible but in reality and result we are an average team.
In this trade i will explore changes in my team and look for new formula to win eversince i handle this team my 2-3 spot is our hole by acquiring jimmy butler and if roco and wall heal that probability of winning a championship will ncreasebut this is risky and i believe high risk high rewards and also big chance of failure.
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