Jabari Parker

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Current rating: 83
Suggested rating: 80


Yea i know he came from injuries but he is averaging 11ppg right now and only had 1 20 point game this season. we have to lower him until he is proven again

[Brian Scalabrine]

Troy.....you need to learn some patience

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Mar 25, 2018 22:09:23 GMT Brian Scalabrine said:

Troy.....you need to learn some patience

it's been 20 games. how many games is your standard for you to know that a player is not the same he once was.

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

The effects of injury is hard to predict.. He can still return to his 83 form but if we wait out, you are basically saying that he should be retained in that 83..

He is playing like a 78? So my vote is still considering the fact that we believe, he will still return to his better form.

[Jared Montini]

81

[Kevin Hollis]

81.5 splitting the difference

[Charles Barkley]

Playing worse than an 80, but ill go 80.

Remember, can always increase him when he picks things up. The turn around time on rating changes isn't that big anymore

[Andrei Kirilenko]

83, no change. Too soon.

[Ian Noble]

83 no change

Sorry Troy but this is fucking stupid. I actually feel offended by how bullshit this thread is.

I thought it was ridiculous asking for a Paul Millsap decrease after 30 games back from injury:

Mar 23, 2018 20:19:45 GMT Ian Noble said:

Millsap's been a bit of a pain in the ass for Denver since coming back from injury a few weeks ago, but that's because he's coming back from injury!!

87

I'm extra pissed off because it's my player this time, but it's really fucking bizarrely stupid after 22 games back, on a minutes restriction, when there's almost no change on the per36 stats.

Per36:
Last Year: 21.4ppg 6.5rpg 3.0apg on 49/37/74
This Year: 18.1ppg 6.8rpg 2.9apg on 50/38/75



I vote no change and close the goddamn thread.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Mar 26, 2018 12:14:53 GMT Ian Noble said:

83 no change

Sorry Troy but this is fucking stupid. I actually feel offended by how bullshit this thread is.

I thought it was ridiculous asking for a Paul Millsap decrease after 30 games back from injury:

Mar 23, 2018 20:19:45 GMT Ian Noble said:

Millsap's been a bit of a pain in the ass for Denver since coming back from injury a few weeks ago, but that's because he's coming back from injury!!

87

I'm extra pissed off because it's my player this time, but it's really fucking bizarrely stupid after 22 games back, on a minutes restriction, when there's almost no change on the per36 stats.

Per36:
Last Year: 21.4ppg 6.5rpg 3.0apg on 49/37/74
This Year: 18.1ppg 6.8rpg 2.9apg on 50/38/75



I vote no change and close the goddamn thread.

We have different perspectives and this is a voting thread. some people might agree with me, some might not.

[Ian Noble]

Mar 26, 2018 16:35:51 GMT Shaquille O'Neal said:

Mar 26, 2018 12:14:53 GMT Ian Noble said:

83 no change

Sorry Troy but this is fucking stupid. I actually feel offended by how bullshit this thread is.

I thought it was ridiculous asking for a Paul Millsap decrease after 30 games back from injury:
I'm extra pissed off because it's my player this time, but it's really fucking bizarrely stupid after 22 games back, on a minutes restriction, when there's almost no change on the per36 stats.

Per36:
Last Year: 21.4ppg 6.5rpg 3.0apg on 49/37/74
This Year: 18.1ppg 6.8rpg 2.9apg on 50/38/75



I vote no change and close the goddamn thread.

We have different perspectives and this is a voting thread. some people might agree with me, some might not.

I disagree with you.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Mar 26, 2018 17:04:40 GMT Ian Noble said:

Mar 26, 2018 16:35:51 GMT Shaquille O'Neal said:

We have different perspectives and this is a voting thread. some people might agree with me, some might not.

I disagree with you.

You can disagree but don't be stressed and offended we can make another thread if he comes back to his old self. i'll be the first to make the thread if that happens

[James Kay]

Mar 26, 2018 12:14:53 GMT Ian Noble said:

83 no change

Sorry Troy but this is fucking stupid. I actually feel offended by how bullshit this thread is.

I thought it was ridiculous asking for a Paul Millsap decrease after 30 games back from injury:

Mar 23, 2018 20:19:45 GMT Ian Noble said:

Millsap's been a bit of a pain in the ass for Denver since coming back from injury a few weeks ago, but that's because he's coming back from injury!!

87

I'm extra pissed off because it's my player this time, but it's really fucking bizarrely stupid after 22 games back, on a minutes restriction, when there's almost no change on the per36 stats.

Per36:
Last Year: 21.4ppg 6.5rpg 3.0apg on 49/37/74
This Year: 18.1ppg 6.8rpg 2.9apg on 50/38/75



I vote no change and close the goddamn thread.

dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/10293/nerlens-noel


Nobody had any problem decreasing Noel after only 16 games, which took place DURING injury for which he ultimately needed surgery(his thumb). Granted, a whopping 4 votes, but that was enough to warrant a change I guess

[Bryan Colangelo]

lol another one, I feel you Ian Noble

Stay the same.

[Chauncey Billups]

79

[Ian Noble]

Mar 26, 2018 17:10:13 GMT Shaquille O'Neal said:

Mar 26, 2018 17:04:40 GMT Ian Noble said:

I disagree with you.

You can disagree but don't be stressed and offended we can make another thread if he comes back to his old self. i'll be the first to make the thread if that happens

So far we have these GMs all saying it's too early:
Ian Noble
Hanamichi Sakuragi
Andrei Kirilenko
Bryan Colangelo
Walt Frazier
Brian Scalabrine

That's 6 to 4 against the GMs who have given a rating.

So it's not that I'm stressed, more that it's just a bad idea.

[James Kay]

Mar 26, 2018 20:17:49 GMT Ian Noble said:

Mar 26, 2018 17:10:13 GMT Shaquille O'Neal said:

You can disagree but don't be stressed and offended we can make another thread if he comes back to his old self. i'll be the first to make the thread if that happens

So far we have these GMs all saying it's too early:
Ian Noble
Hanamichi Sakuragi
Andrei Kirilenko
Bryan Colangelo
Walt Frazier
Brian Scalabrine

That's 6 to 4 against the GMs who have given a rating.

So it's not that I'm stressed, more that it's just a bad idea.

Mar 26, 2018 17:21:04 GMT James Kay said:

Mar 26, 2018 12:14:53 GMT Ian Noble said:

83 no change

Sorry Troy but this is fucking stupid. I actually feel offended by how bullshit this thread is.

I thought it was ridiculous asking for a Paul Millsap decrease after 30 games back from injury:
I'm extra pissed off because it's my player this time, but it's really fucking bizarrely stupid after 22 games back, on a minutes restriction, when there's almost no change on the per36 stats.

Per36:
Last Year: 21.4ppg 6.5rpg 3.0apg on 49/37/74
This Year: 18.1ppg 6.8rpg 2.9apg on 50/38/75



I vote no change and close the goddamn thread.

dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/10293/nerlens-noel


Nobody had any problem decreasing Noel after only 16 games, which took place DURING injury for which he ultimately needed surgery(his thumb). Granted, a whopping 4 votes, but that was enough to warrant a change I guess

[Brian Scalabrine]

Mar 26, 2018 21:02:57 GMT James Kay said:

Mar 26, 2018 17:21:04 GMT James Kay said:

Nobody had any problem decreasing Noel after only 16 games, which took place DURING injury for which he ultimately needed surgery(his thumb). Granted, a whopping 4 votes, but that was enough to warrant a change I guess

The difference is that Noel was only averaging 8 and 7 in Dallas last season too. Also he wasn't just injured but also racking up DNP-CD's

[James Kay]

Mar 26, 2018 21:17:01 GMT Brian Scalabrine said:

Mar 26, 2018 21:02:57 GMT James Kay said:

The difference is that Noel was only averaging 8 and 7 in Dallas last season too. Also he wasn't just injured but also racking up DNP-CD's

Even if you add in the games he played in DAL last year, that’s only 22 more games on a team playing him 20 mpg in the end of season rush to the bottom.

Plus, this year his injury contributed to his poor early play and DNPs:

www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21694277/nerlens-noel-dallas-mavericks-thumb-surgery

Just pointing out that it’s weird to argue that 22 games is too soon when it was fine to change Noel’s rating based on 4 votes on an extremely limited sample size

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Mar 26, 2018 20:17:49 GMT Ian Noble said:

Mar 26, 2018 17:10:13 GMT Shaquille O'Neal said:

You can disagree but don't be stressed and offended we can make another thread if he comes back to his old self. i'll be the first to make the thread if that happens

So far we have these GMs all saying it's too early:
Ian Noble
Hanamichi Sakuragi
Andrei Kirilenko
Bryan Colangelo
Walt Frazier
Brian Scalabrine

That's 6 to 4 against the GMs who have given a rating.

So it's not that I'm stressed, more that it's just a bad idea.

They voted that it's too early with Jabari Parker but Walt and Brian also voted to decrease Millsap in his thread with the same amount of games played.

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

Mar 26, 2018 20:17:49 GMT Ian Noble said:

Mar 26, 2018 17:10:13 GMT Shaquille O'Neal said:

You can disagree but don't be stressed and offended we can make another thread if he comes back to his old self. i'll be the first to make the thread if that happens

So far we have these GMs all saying it's too early:
Ian Noble
Hanamichi Sakuragi
Andrei Kirilenko
Bryan Colangelo
Walt Frazier
Brian Scalabrine

That's 6 to 4 against the GMs who have given a rating.

So it's not that I'm stressed, more that it's just a bad idea.

I forgot to put my vote. 80.

[Jared Montini]

Mar 26, 2018 20:17:49 GMT Ian Noble said:

Mar 26, 2018 17:10:13 GMT Shaquille O'Neal said:

You can disagree but don't be stressed and offended we can make another thread if he comes back to his old self. i'll be the first to make the thread if that happens

So far we have these GMs all saying it's too early:
Ian Noble
Hanamichi Sakuragi
Andrei Kirilenko
Bryan Colangelo
Walt Frazier
Brian Scalabrine

That's 6 to 4 against the GMs who have given a rating.

So it's not that I'm stressed, more that it's just a bad idea.

more people are voting lower than an 83 rn. He's currently not playing like an 83 so we should vote him accordingly then stockwatch him again next season.

[Ian Noble]

This thread is so premature, by the time this thread is over and the playoffs have started Jabari will likely have his minutes back and be producing like a borderline all-star again, right in time for his bullshit premature ratings decrease.

Right in time for the D5 playoffs.

Not cool.

edit: I hope I see you in the first round Shaquille O'Neal!

[Jeremiah Hill]

IDK I see both perspectives tbh. He's actually been more efficient and IS on a minute restriction and his total ppg was bound to drop with Bledsoe in town. However unless RL Milwaukee is Finals bound they'd be wise to control his minutes till the EOS. 81 just because I think he finishes out the season with these averages. We can boost him back in the first 20 games next season.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Mar 27, 2018 10:02:57 GMT Ian Noble said:

This thread is so premature, by the time this thread is over and the playoffs have started Jabari will likely have his minutes back and be producing like a borderline all-star again, right in time for his bullshit premature ratings decrease.

Right in time for the D5 playoffs.

Not cool.

edit: I hope I see you in the first round Shaquille O'Neal!

I was not really looking at the standings while doing the threads, just browsing through every team and just looking for some players to decrease and increase per team. it is a voting thread so i don't have the control which people will have the same mindset with me or will contradict what will be posted in the Stock watch thread. I just really want the league to be as realistic as possible. sorry man.

[Ian Noble]

Sorry Shaquille O'Neal, I went over the top, I should be a better behaved sim league commissioner.

Don't get me wrong I still think it's bollocks I shouldn't have been so pissed off though. I apologise.

[Walt Frazier]

I haven't ACTUALLY voted yet, but I'm putting in an 83 on Jabari b/c of what has been a similarly efficient, just limited player, in my eye. Minutes especially. He's not old, shouldn't have lost much based on that injury, if anything.

So, 83 for me at this time. The best time to look at him again is going to be Mid-End of April and into the playoffs.

As of now, Jabari would get an 82.

All of that said, it's more or less good for us to take a look at players every once in a while. Prime example - Anthony Davis was still a 1 for 3pt rating...I had to bump him all the way to a 71. Luckily it was a big change, and we are normalizing the Dunk rating since it has minimal/no effect on the game play during sim. Anyway, it'll be good to look at Jabari even if he stays at an 83 or 82.

[Kevin Hollis]

How much are you reducing dunk? I don't think we should normalize it really. It impacts the player's ability to make dunks. So are we going to be having Anthony Davis doing layups and getting blocked non stop? Is Andre Drummond going to back down players and then try to shoot instead of dunk? Injury is one thing, but I don't like doing it to dunk.

[Ian Noble]

Mar 27, 2018 19:10:45 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

How much are you reducing dunk? I don't think we should normalize it really. It impacts the player's ability to make dunks. So are we going to be having Anthony Davis doing layups and getting blocked non stop? Is Andre Drummond going to back down players and then try to shoot instead of dunk? Injury is one thing, but I don't like doing it to dunk.

In a sense it doesn't matter though if nothing changes in the sim.

Walt Frazier - since my initial calculations for the impact of Strength on Wins was a bit overblown I'd like to take another look at dunking, I will try to have proper results before lunchtime tomorrow.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Mar 27, 2018 18:12:27 GMT Ian Noble said:

Sorry Shaquille O'Neal, I went over the top, I should be a better behaved sim league commissioner.

Don't get me wrong I still think it's bollocks I shouldn't have been so pissed off though. I apologise.

With this, i think we should have a standard on players having minimum amount of games coming of a MAJOR injury before we can make a stockwatch thread.