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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 15, 2018 15:49:33 GMT
 Brooklyn Nets Send:80 Zach LaVine - $2,708,735 - $3,727,219 82 Andrew Wiggins - $6,311,936 - $8,205,516 PHX 2019 1st Total: $9,020,671  Cleveland Cavaliers Send:87 Kristaps Porzingis - $3,086,800 - $3,914,062 - $5,221,359 72 Quincy Pondexter - $7,298,000 - $6,500,000 - $5,785,000Total: $10,384,800 After 3 pages of PMs, I'm departing with half my team and a potential top 5 pick for the chance to pair Devin Booker and Kristaps Porzingis together. I think I am losing this trade value wise, but I do keep all my own picks and still have a few decent players to surround Booker/Porzingis with. This trade puts me in tank-mode this year, and I guess I'm non-willingly tanking next year too since Porzingis is out until February. I know there is a huge injury risk here and I could look back at this trade as the moment that I ruined years of hard work and accumulated assets, but I feel like this is a trade I have to take a chance on. Ian has a ridiculous team for the next 10 years, and if I can get a few decent supporting cast characters, I think this actually gives me a shot at one day taking him down. LaVine has looked like butter ever since he came back and we could also look back on this in a few years and realize that I gave up the best player AND Wiggins and a top 5 pick. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 15:57:54 GMT
holy fuck hana nice job
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 15, 2018 16:04:04 GMT
This is the biggest trade of the season so far. Josh already knows I think he's getting ripped off. I thought he was getting ripped off when it was just LaVine and Wiggins, but he's thrown in the Phoenix 2019 1st which will be high-end-lottery unless a miracle occurs, probably Top 3 actually. Hats off to Hanamichi Sakuragi, he's a hell of a negotiator by the sounds of it. Even though Brooklyn loses in this trade it does mean he's got a dynamic duo of two 5-star prospects on his team, and with them both being 2015 draftees he's got 3 years to put some free agents in with them. Kristaps being injured helps him tank in the short term, meaning he gets slightly higher draft picks, and that certainly helped my rebuild when Embiid was injured his first two and a half years. Kristaps doesn't rely on his athleticism as much either so his ACL should just be a year-long-hurdle before coming back to dominate. Cleveland ends up with Jrue - LaVine - Wiggins - someone - Cauley-Stein for now, and he gets an amazing draft pick next year as well. I accept. edit: 12000 posts edit, lol |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 15, 2018 16:27:02 GMT
Very interesting move. Kristaps and Booker is an absolutely lethal combo. Great job Josh. You remain the king of trades imo.
Everyone knows my position on Wiggins so I won't rehash it.
I can't wait to look back on the results of this trade in a few years. League shaking transaction.
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Post by JR Wiles on Feb 15, 2018 16:50:11 GMT
Nets send a first for nothing. Def not a fair trade. Kristaps will never be better than a Randolph, Howard type player. And to give 2 young all stars and a #1 for him alone basically... WTF are you thinking??
Deny this shit...
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 15, 2018 18:29:18 GMT
Nets send a first for nothing. Def not a fair trade. Kristaps will never be better than a Randolph, Howard type player. And to give 2 young all stars and a #1 for him alone basically... WTF are you thinking?? Deny this shit... Are you comparing Kristaps style of play to Dwight Howard and Zach Randolph. I hate to say it but I don't really put a lot of stock into your opinions of players based on your draft and trade decisions. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 15, 2018 18:31:38 GMT
The 2015 Draft had two superstar level prospects in it, Towns and Porzingis. Obviously I think Towns is better but Porzingis can have a similar impact if in a different way.
Lavine and Wiggins are not even in the same stratesphere in terms of potential as Kristaps which is why the pick needed to be included to even out the value.
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Feb 15, 2018 18:42:30 GMT
Great deal! I feel Cavs won this deal though. Josh got the better overall player however Cavs starting lineup looks great and young (minus Jure) - Jrue - LaVine - Wiggins - someone - Cauley-Stein
With the phx pick going back to Cleveland, they can draft either a PG or PF.
I accept
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Feb 15, 2018 19:33:00 GMT
Want to win? Need that superstar. I'm on the Josh side of this one.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 15, 2018 20:18:24 GMT
Want to win? Need that superstar. I'm on the Josh side of this one. Yeah, I'm thinking Josh did a pretty good job with this in a vacuum. |
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Post by Danny Longley on Feb 15, 2018 21:51:25 GMT
It's a lot of value for a recently injured Kristaps, but he just has that build-around superstar potential that could rocket a team to the top. Also just not sold on Wiggins as a superstar - more of a 2nd piece at best I guess, but that's just my opinion.
Anyway, overall inoffensive trade, could potentially be very wrong in 2-3 years due to the sheer number of variables involved - like, I could literally see every piece in this deal but Quincy Pondexter's value swinging violently - but I'm content with letting that be the 2020/21 TC's problem.
Accept.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 15, 2018 22:39:48 GMT
Agree with Danny. Nothing here that's rejectable, ultimately, so I accept.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Feb 15, 2018 22:46:11 GMT
like, I could literally see every piece in this deal but Quincy Pondexter's value swinging violently - but I'm content with letting that be the 2020/21 TC's problem. Accept. Unfortunate you pick and choose when you're ok with things going horribly. Deal was accepted before Hana even said a word. |
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Post by Danny Longley on Feb 15, 2018 22:48:19 GMT
like, I could literally see every piece in this deal but Quincy Pondexter's value swinging violently - but I'm content with letting that be the 2020/21 TC's problem. Accept. Unfortunate you pick and choose when you're ok with things going horribly. Deal was accepted before Hana even said a word. That's because I could actually spin a positive for both sides on this deal. If you could actually spin a real-world positive for Indiana in your trade, then please do tell me. |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Feb 15, 2018 22:50:22 GMT
Funny how quick you guys are to accept a trade that involves high stakes and superstars but when lowly players are involved, like my trade with Indiana, it's a huge fucking deal and there's 50 pages of reasoning on why it's such a horrible deal.
My problem with the current TC exactly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 23:03:46 GMT
BK!
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Feb 15, 2018 23:27:39 GMT
Funny how quick you guys are to accept a trade that involves high stakes and superstars but when lowly players are involved, like my trade with Indiana, it's a huge fucking deal and there's 50 pages of reasoning on why it's such a horrible deal. My problem with the current TC exactly. TC doesn't like to watch rape happen first hand, sorry. |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Feb 15, 2018 23:48:40 GMT
Funny how quick you guys are to accept a trade that involves high stakes and superstars but when lowly players are involved, like my trade with Indiana, it's a huge fucking deal and there's 50 pages of reasoning on why it's such a horrible deal. My problem with the current TC exactly. TC doesn't like to watch rape happen first hand, sorry. I remember both teams consenting, unlike in this thread. I see one team accepting. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Feb 16, 2018 0:05:55 GMT
Help me out guys, I am trying to find a center in the history of the league, that is at least taller than 7 feet, who can create his own shot, shoot three and block a lot of shots... when he was not even 23.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Feb 16, 2018 0:11:04 GMT
Help me out guys, I am trying to find a center in the history of the league, that is at least taller than 7 feet, who can create his own shot, shoot three and block a lot of shots... when he was not even 23. Unicorns don't exist. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 16, 2018 5:17:16 GMT
Feel bad for Hana.
LaVine and Wiggins are trash
Porzingis is a generational talent, Wiggins and LaVine are no where near him.
At some point, there's going to be no fruit left on the trees that are continually picked
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 16, 2018 5:18:13 GMT
The PHX pick is the best thing Hana gets in this deal, which is saying somethign considering its a year away, and the trade is for Porzingis
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Post by Jared Montini on Feb 16, 2018 11:36:42 GMT
Didn't Hana Judy trade josh that pick for jrue Holliday
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Feb 16, 2018 12:16:38 GMT
Nice catch Jared. I believe you are right.
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 16, 2018 12:20:53 GMT
Yeah, on balance, this trade works out to be: Brooklyn receives: Kristaps Porzingis
Jeremy Lin
Lance Thomas
Quincy Pondexter Cleveland receives: Jrue Holiday
Willie Cauley-Stein
Andrew Wiggins
Zach LaVine Still waiting on Hanamichi Sakuragi |
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Post by Alex English on Feb 16, 2018 16:24:13 GMT
Accept. It will be really interesting to see how this trade plays out. I think Cleveland wins right now though, Porzingis has been an inefficient player putting up big stats on a bad team, it's really hard to know how good he really is. However, he also seems the most likely to reach a 90+ rating right now.
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 16, 2018 20:49:10 GMT
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 17, 2018 9:42:40 GMT
I've never had to impose a time limit on this but maybe it's time we enshrined one in the Rules and called it the Hanamichi Sakuragi rule  Hanamichi Sakuragi - to me it would seem fair that you should make your final decision at least 48 hours after the trade was posted, which is in roughly 6 hours time from now. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Feb 17, 2018 9:48:20 GMT
I've never had to impose a time limit on this but maybe it's time we enshrined one in the Rules and called it the Hanamichi Sakuragi rule Hanamichi Sakuragi - to me it would seem fair that you should make your final decision at least 48 hours after the trade was posted, which is in roughly 6 hours time from now. Even if we have that rule today, you cannot xover our trade. And we are a democratic league man, you at least need to get our consensus. And it is not as if what I am doing is damaging the entire league. If other gms will allow that, that will be unfair moving forward. If you can just formulate rules and control things that are not ACTUALLY harming the league, that is too much. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 17, 2018 9:56:59 GMT
Maybe I should be allowed to back out of the trade after 48 hours. Do we even have a valid trade that I can’t back out of right now if both parties haven’t accepted? I know there is a lot to consider but I don’t want my team sitting in limbo for the next week.
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