SAC-CHA-IND

[James Kay]

Sacramento Sends:
93 Russell Westbrook $17,775,975
78 Anderson Varejao $7,000,000 $7,500,000 $8,000,000
71 Wayne Ellington $3,885,000 $4,312,350 $4,786,708
72 Jason Terry $1,400,000
71 Ian Mahinmi $1,500,000 $1,500,000
68 Garrett Temple $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $1,000,000

Sacramento receives:
77 Otto Porter $2,409,800 $2,498,396 $2,570,189
80 Robin Lopez $5,073,118 $5,750,161 $6,500,000
76 Jerryd Bayless $3,480,360 $3,970,540
74 Kyle O'Quinn $2,500,000 $3,000,000 $3,500,000 $4,000,000
69 Will Barton $1,014,672
72 Kent Bazemore $1,700,000 $2,000,000
65 Nate Wolters $4,240,000
2016 Charlotte 1st Round Pick
2018 Charlotte 1st Round Pick
2018 Dallas 1st Round Pick
2018 Charlotte 2nd Round Pick
2018 Toronto 2nd Round Pick
2018 LA Clippers 2nd Round Pick
2019 Toronto 2nd Round Pick
2019 Charlotte 2nd round Pick
John Salmons $490,180
DeShawn Stevenson $1,470,540
Salary Outgoing: $32,530,975
Salary Incoming: $22,378,670


Charlotte Sends:
78 Reggie Jackson $3,222,788
77 Otto Porter $2,409,800 $2,498,396 $2,570,189
80 Robin Lopez $5,073,118 $5,750,161 $6,500,000
76 John Henson $2,491,033 $3,445,098
76 Jerryd Bayless $3,480,360 $3,970,540
74 Kyle O'Quinn $2,500,000 $3,000,000 $3,500,000 $4,000,000
77 Wilson Chandler $7,400,000
65 Nate Wolters $4,240,000
2016 Charlotte 1st Round Pick
2018 Charlotte 1st Round Pick
2018 Charlotte 2nd Round Pick
2019 Toronto 2nd Round Pick
2019 Charlotte 2nd round Pick

Charlotte Receives:
93 Russell Westbrook $17,775,975
79 JJ Hickson $5,927,400 $6,579,414
78 Anderson Varejao $7,000,000 $7,500,000 $8,000,000
72 Jason Terry $1,400,000
71 Wayne Ellington $3,885,000 $4,312,350 $4,786,708
72 Tayshaun Prince $2,000,000
Salary Outgoing: $30,817,099
Salary Incoming: $37,988,375

Indiana Sends:
69 Will Barton $1,014,672
72 Kent Bazemore $1,700,000 $2,000,000
79 JJ Hickson $5,927,400 $6,579,414
72 Tayshaun Prince $2,000,000
2018 Dallas 1st Round Pick
2018 Toronto 2nd Round Pick
2018 LA Clippers 2nd Round Pick
John Salmons $490,180
DeShawn Stevenson $1,470,540

Indiana Receives:
78 Reggie Jackson $3,222,788
77 Wilson Chandler $7,400,000
76 John Henson $2,491,033 $3,445,098
71 Ian Mahinmi $1,500,000 $1,500,000
68 Garrett Temple $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $1,000,000
Salary Outgoing: $12,602,792
Salary Incoming: $15,613,821


After much negotiation:

Sacramento Kings
Sacramento sends:
93 Russell Westbrook $17,775,975
78 Anderson Varejao $7,000,000 $7,500,000 $8,000,000
71 Wayne Ellington $3,885,000 $4,312,350 $4,786,708
70 Raymond Felton $2,000,000 $2,000,000
72 Jason Terry $1,400,000

Sacramento receives:
77 Otto Porter $2,409,800 $2,498,396 $2,570,189
80 Robin Lopez $5,073,118 $5,750,161 $6,500,000
76 Jerryd Bayless $3,480,360 $3,970,540
74 Kyle O'Quinn $2,500,000 $3,000,000 $3,500,000 $4,000,000
77 Wilson Chandler $7,400,000
69 Will Barton $1,014,672
72 Kent Bazemore $1,700,000 $2,000,000
2016 Charlotte 1st Round Pick
2018 Charlotte 1st Round Pick
2018 Dallas 1st Round Pick
2018 Charlotte 2nd Round Pick
2019 Toronto 2nd Round Pick
2019 Charlotte 2nd round Pick

Sacramento Salary Before Trade:$65,342,766
Sacramento Salary After Trade:$56,859,741

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^{Charlotte Hornets}
Charlotte Sends:
78 Reggie Jackson $3,222,788
77 Otto Porter $2,409,800 $2,498,396 $2,570,189
80 Robin Lopez $5,073,118 $5,750,161 $6,500,000
76 John Henson $2,491,033 $3,445,098
76 Jerryd Bayless $3,480,360 $3,970,540
74 Kyle O'Quinn $2,500,000 $3,000,000 $3,500,000 $4,000,000
77 Wilson Chandler $7,400,000
65 Nate Wolters $4,240,000
2016 Charlotte 1st Round Pick
2018 Charlotte 1st Round Pick
2018 Charlotte 2nd Round Pick
2019 Toronto 2nd Round Pick
2019 Charlotte 2nd round Pick

Charlotte Receives:
93 Russell Westbrook $17,775,975
78 Anderson Varejao $7,000,000 $7,500,000 $8,000,000
71 Wayne Ellington $3,885,000 $4,312,350 $4,786,708
79 JJ Hickson $5,927,400 $6,579,414
70 Raymond Felton $2,000,000 $2,000,000
72 Jason Terry $1,400,000


Charlotte Salary Before Trade:$69,998,982
Charlotte Salary After Trade:$77,090,258

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^{Indiana Pacers}
Indiana Sends:
69 Will Barton $1,014,672
72 Kent Bazemore $1,700,000 $2,000,000
79 JJ Hickson $5,927,400 $6,579,414
2018 Dallas 1st Round Pick

Indiana Receives:
78 Reggie Jackson $3,222,788
76 John Henson $2,491,033 $3,445,098
65 Nate Wolters $4,240,000

Indiana Salary Before Trade:$69,878,173
Indiana Salary After Trade:$71,189,922

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Why I do it:



I get RW. I maintain just enough assets and just enough cap space to
retain him in the off-season. I give up essentially every pick
possible.



Why Sacramento does it:



This is going to be the most controversial part, I believe. A trade
with RW has been rejected before. And because Westbrook is a
superstar, this trade doesn’t seem too great. But there are three key
mitigating factors regarding RW’s league-wide value:



1. With no contract extensions or sign and trades or even verbal
agreements, there’s no guarantee RW will re-sign with whoever trades
for him. This makes trading for RW a great risk, IMO, and hurts his
value.



2. When you trade for an expiring player who you hope to re-sign, you
need to make sure the team is a good fit by next season. In the case
of a big star like RW, that team needs to have the personnel and
assets to compete. There is an inverse relationship between the amount
you send for a player like RW and the chance he will re-sign. The more
you send, the worse your team is. If you want to have a chance at
re-signing RW during this cap explosion, you need to have enough
remaining assets to persuade him to stay.



3. With RW expiring, there’s a good chance any team trading for him
could just acquire him in free agency! This option doesn’t involve
moving any young talent or depth or picks. When this option is on the
table, as it is for RW, his value is driven down. Especially when that
player is in a situation like RW, who is sure to leave in the
off-season.



You may think, well these surely drive his value down, but this is
Westbrook, a super-star! This can’t be his maximum market value –
others in the league would certainly be able to offer more. And to
that I answer, I really don’t think so. I don’t believe there are many
other teams who would be able to give the young and AFFORDABLE talent
in Porter/Bazemore/Barton with the value contracts in Lopez/O’Quinn,
three 1st round and three 2nd round picks, all while taking on the
contracts of Varejao and Ellington, allowing Sacramento to enter the
offseason with only 37 million dollars in salary. And if they were
able to offer more than that, I think their teams would be so talent-bankrupt
that it would be pointless. Westbrook would depart their decimated
teams in the off-season as quickly as he would’ve left Sacramento.
Maybe there are some teams who could offer more immediate talent, but
I don’t think any teams exist that can make a trade for Westbrook that
gives the Kings as much value in as little money while taking on a
significant amount of salary AND have their teams look like somewhere
Westbrook would want to play next year. Sacramento leaves this trade
with his sights set on free agency. And with Lillard, Porter(2mill),
Bazemore(2mill), and Lyles(2mill), as well as a first round pick,
there is no reason why he won’t be able to use his 52 million in cap
space to sign some serious free agents. He has Lillard which is a
major draw, perhaps the biggest combination of star-power and cap
space in the entire league.



Why Indiana Does It: First off, let’s just acknowledge that Reggie
Jackson was probably the closest thing to an all-star snub from the
Eastern Conference. He’s a borderline all-star, and he’s still super
young. Anyway, Indiana does not have a point guard. The following
point guards will be available this off-season: Kemba Walker, Brandon
Knight, Derrick Rose, and Ricky Rubio. Kemba and Brandon are not going
anywhere. Kemba was declared the future of the Lakers, and Knight is the future of the Pelicans. So we’re essentially left with Derrick Rose and Rubio – two
point guards with major injury histories, and really, neither nearly
as desirable as Jackson. Indy has the cap space for Jackson this
offseason. Jackson has always wanted his own team, Jackson will be
happy to re-sign with a team that showed they wanted him enough to go
out and get him even though he is expiring. So Indy is just making a
pre-emptive move to secure his PG of the future. Basic enough on his
end, and he doesn’t give up too much, for a still developing young
exciting player who I think is very close to being one of the top
point guards. He also gets to ditch Hickson with me.



I’ll sum it up like this – I get Westbrook, but in exchange give up as
much as I possibly can without bankrupting my team. Give up all the
possible picks I can, retain only 5 players from my current team, and take
on a bunch of salary – giving both Sacramento and Indiana more cap
space to play around with and solid young pieces to move forward with.





Disclaimer: I don't mean to speak for Indy and/or Sacramento, I just
had a lot of coffee and was bored, plus this is how I approached the
trade and believe it makes the best sense for all teams involved.

[James Kay]

Jan 30, 2016 17:31:16 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

Right... so Sac trades Westbrook because he is afraid having Lillard there won't be able to resign him... and he gets a worse expiring point guard in return.

Are you confused? Sacramento doesn't get a point guard...

Edit: Or was that a joke about Bayless lol

[Kevin Hollis]

Didn't you just sign o'quinn? I thought there was a discussion in signing and trading people immediately, but I could be wrong.

[Jeremiah Hill]

Another terrible trade for indiana why is he giving up picks?

[Bryan Colangelo]

Jan 30, 2016 19:19:15 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

Didn't you just sign o'quinn? I thought there was a discussion in signing and trading people immediately, but I could be wrong.

Correct

Signed - January 11th, 2016 - dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/6878/kyle-oquinn-cha
Rule - dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/5/free-agency-regulations

"The James Kay Rule: You must wait one month before a signed free agent can be traded."

[Bryan Colangelo]

Also James, ill be honest with you. This deal doesn't look bad to me, ill probably accept it but i have to look more into it.

However, say you do wait this 1 month probation before trading Klye, this could hurt you in resigning Westbook. Ever since Adam and Larry completed the trade for Nikola Mirotic, the player agents have been keeping a close on trades which includes players being signed and then traded. I am not saying Westbook would not re-sign, since you have a good argument that your team is set for the future. But lets say its was a close race between you and another team which has the same depth and one team hasn't traded there recently signed players compared to another team who has, as a player agent I would probably pick the team who will keeps their players.

Just something I wanted to throw out there.

[James Kay]

Jan 30, 2016 20:00:16 GMT Bryan Colangelo said:

Also James, ill be honest with you. This deal doesn't look bad to me, ill probably accept it but i have to look more into it.

However, say you do wait this 1 month probation before trading Klye, this could hurt you in resigning Westbook. Ever since Adam and Larry completed the trade for Nikola Mirotic, the player agents have been keeping a close on trades which includes players being signed and then traded. I am not saying Westbook would not re-sign, since you have a good argument that your team is set for the future. But lets say its was a close race between you and another team which has the same depth and one team hasn't traded there recently signed players compared to another team who has, as a player agent I would probably pick the team who will keeps their players.

Just something I wanted to throw out there.

About that. I really wanted Kyle and the other suitor dropped out so I wasn't in a bidding war. I think it's very contextual. Kyle is not on the same level as Mirotic and definitely not the same level as Westbrook. Just a fact of the NBA. Westbrook is not gonna look at the fact that I traded Kyle and base my commitment as a GM on that. I didn't sign Kyle just to trade him. I did sign Nate Wolters for that - but try to convince me that Nate is going to be upset at the GM who just made him 4 million dollars lol

[Jeremiah Hill]

Guess who's signing Reggie Jackson this OSFA?

[Larry Bird]

Jeremiah.
I can do nothing right by you, so I don't even know why I try.
I'm not sure what I ever did to piss in you Post Toasties.

[Deleted]

I think if people trade for expiring players without bird rights there needs to definitely be a resigning bonus during offseason UFA.

It's insane, because it happens ALL THE TIME in the NBA, because players are able to sign extensions. So expiring talented players are worth stuff. However, here, for some goddamn reason, there is this crazy idea that if you trade for a player with 1 year left on his deal he won't be coming back.

Because we don't have extensions there needs to be a STRONG preference for players to resign with a team that traded for them, anything less is just makes the league incredibly unrealistic.

tl;dr If the offers are close players need to tend toward resigning to make up for the fact that we don't do in-season extensions. Not being able to trade for expiring players because of this stigma is incredibly bad for the league.

[Jeremiah Hill]

Jan 30, 2016 20:54:45 GMT Larry Bird said:

Jeremiah.
I can do nothing right by you, so I don't even know why I try.
I'm not sure what I ever did to piss in you Post Toasties.

You haven't made me mad. I just don't think  this is a good deal for you is all. Its so unclear what you are actually trying to do. 

[Kevin Hollis]

Jan 30, 2016 21:10:07 GMT @riogho said:

I think if people trade for expiring players without bird rights there needs to definitely be a resigning bonus during offseason UFA.

It's insane, because it happens ALL THE TIME in the NBA, because players are able to sign extensions. So expiring talented players are worth stuff. However, here, for some goddamn reason, there is this crazy idea that if you trade for a player with 1 year left on his deal he won't be coming back.

Because we don't have extensions there needs to be a STRONG preference for players to resign with a team that traded for them, anything less is just makes the league incredibly unrealistic.

tl;dr If the offers are close players need to tend toward resigning to make up for the fact that we don't do in-season extensions. Not being able to trade for expiring players because of this stigma is incredibly bad for the league.


i don't think anyone is arguing this, but when you have signed and traded away multiple guys the next day it becomes a bit unethical. Can you do it, sure? But is it ethical? Absolutely not. I think it should definitely have a negative impact.

[Deleted]

Jan 30, 2016 22:02:25 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

Jan 30, 2016 21:10:07 GMT @riogho said:

I think if people trade for expiring players without bird rights there needs to definitely be a resigning bonus during offseason UFA.

It's insane, because it happens ALL THE TIME in the NBA, because players are able to sign extensions. So expiring talented players are worth stuff. However, here, for some goddamn reason, there is this crazy idea that if you trade for a player with 1 year left on his deal he won't be coming back.

Because we don't have extensions there needs to be a STRONG preference for players to resign with a team that traded for them, anything less is just makes the league incredibly unrealistic.

tl;dr If the offers are close players need to tend toward resigning to make up for the fact that we don't do in-season extensions. Not being able to trade for expiring players because of this stigma is incredibly bad for the league.


i don't think anyone is arguing this, but when you have signed and traded away multiple guys the next day it becomes a bit unethical. Can you do it, sure? But is it ethical? Absolutely not. I think it should definitely have a negative impact.

I'm just talking about how Jeremiah just obviously assumed Reggie Jackson will leave, and therefore the trade is bad for Indiana.

If Indiana resigns (he would sign an extension if this trade happened in real life) Reggie Jackson, then this trade is a slam dunk for him. However, the stigma in our league is that unless you have bird rights you basically have no advantage in free agency, and that's a bad bad thing for realism & competitive balance.

If this trade happened in real life, Reggie Jackson would 100% sign a huge extension to stay in Indiana, but the way this league works, everyone seems to just think he would bolt... Getting 100% about face outcomes from the way real life works isn't a good thing. It just also distorts player value a lot from what it should be. 

[James Kay]

Jan 30, 2016 22:02:25 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

i don't think anyone is arguing this, but when you have signed and traded away multiple guys the next day it becomes a bit unethical. Can you do it, sure? But is it ethical? Absolutely not. I think it should definitely have a negative impact.

Jan 30, 2016 21:55:06 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

This is the dumbest thing ever, no offense.

Let me address everything right now, in one post, since there was a goddamn rule named after me.

Nothing I did was unethical. I used the free agency rules TWICE to my advantage, yes. BUT:

1) When I used them in the Chicago trade, these were players that Chicago wanted. I simply helped him obtain them, through a trade, using my cap. Cap space is an asset, and I used it.

2) I began attempting to sign Kyle O'Quinn before he was even created in the sim. His signing was completely and entirely unrelated to this trade. I love Kyle, I'm a Knicks fan, and I saw a lot of potential and signed him to better my team. I'm sure Kyle understands that he was traded for a superstar. That happens in the NBA. I only wish the best for Kyle in the future. I don't believe my signing was unethical in the slighest.

Lastly, and most importantly, the players that I signed: Brewer, Tolliver, Acy, Wright, Wolters - These were players not making any money. I paid them millions of dollars. I don't believe paying Nate Wolters over four million dollars for simply being a part of a trade.

Was this a loophole? Yes. Did this require a rule-change? Yes. Were any of my actions unethical or unfair to the players involved? Not. In. The. Slightest.

(Btw, this has been going on way before now. I've seen players signed for trade purposes many times in the past).

[Kevin Hollis]

I agree that there should be a good deal of value in that. I always thought if you give enough for an expiring it shows loyalty and dedication to that player. I don't see why Reggie wouldn't resign.

[James Kay]

Jan 30, 2016 22:10:37 GMT @riogho said:

Jan 30, 2016 22:02:25 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

I'm just talking about how Jeremiah just obviously assumed Reggie Jackson will leave, and therefore the trade is bad for Indiana.

If Indiana resigns (he would sign an extension if this trade happened in real life) Reggie Jackson, then this trade is a slam dunk for him. However, the stigma in our league is that unless you have bird rights you basically have no advantage in free agency, and that's a bad bad thing for realism & competitive balance.

If this trade happened in real life, Reggie Jackson would 100% sign a huge extension to stay in Indiana, but the way this league works, everyone seems to just think he would bolt... Getting 100% about face outcomes from the way real life works isn't a good thing. It just also distorts player value a lot from what it should be. 

Completely 100% agree - BUT I also think that making a trade for a player earns you a great deal of commitment from that player - if the circumstances allow it.

If you trade for a player with a PO or an expiring contract, and he is merely a side-piece to a deal, then of course he will probably have little to no loyalty in staying.

But if you trade for a player, have the space to re-sign him, have a plan for the future and no competing positional players - ie SAC lillard and RW - and announce that player as your future, then that player should be heavily leaning towards signing with you unless some CRAZY lucrative and promising offer comes forward.

That's why I went for Westbrook now - I didn't want SAC to trade him, and then have my chances of signing him in the off-season diminished because another team had already made a 'trade' commitment to him.

And there are not many solid PGs available, as I addressed in my post explaining the trade rationale. This was a smart move by Indiana to secure a brilliant young PG.

and Kevin ^^ agrees.

I think that this is an issue most of us can agree on since we don't have extensions or "verbal agreements"

[James Kay]

BTW Larry Bird

Not sure if we received explicit confirmation from you yet

[Kevin Hollis]

Jan 30, 2016 22:16:14 GMT James Kay said:

Jan 30, 2016 22:02:25 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

i don't think anyone is arguing this, but when you have signed and traded away multiple guys the next day it becomes a bit unethical. Can you do it, sure? But is it ethical? Absolutely not. I think it should definitely have a negative impact.

Jan 30, 2016 21:55:06 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

This is the dumbest thing ever, no offense.

Let me address everything right now, in one post, since there was a goddamn rule named after me.

Nothing I did was unethical. I used the free agency rules TWICE to my advantage, yes. BUT:

1) When I used them in the Chicago trade, these were players that Chicago wanted. I simply helped him obtain them, through a trade, using my cap. Cap space is an asset, and I used it.

2) I began attempting to sign Kyle O'Quinn before he was even created in the sim. His signing was completely and entirely unrelated to this trade. I love Kyle, I'm a Knicks fan, and I saw a lot of potential and signed him to better my team. I'm sure Kyle understands that he was traded for a superstar. That happens in the NBA. I only wish the best for Kyle in the future. I don't believe my signing was unethical in the slighest.

Lastly, and most importantly, the players that I signed: Brewer, Tolliver, Acy, Wright, Wolters - These were players not making any money. I paid them millions of dollars. I don't believe paying Nate Wolters over four million dollars for simply being a part of a trade.

Was this a loophole? Yes. Did this require a rule-change? Yes. Were any of my actions unethical or unfair to the players involved? Not. In. The. Slightest.

(Btw, this has been going on way before now. I've seen players signed for trade purposes many times in the past).

You're truly misinformed if you don't think this is unethical. The fact that you used the word loophole spells it out; even more so that a rule was made to prevent your behavior from happening again. Do you really think your argument that paying wolters almost 5 million buys you any credit? That is the dumbest argument I have heard on these boards. Would you really sign him for taut much if you didn't have an unethical agenda behind it? Not at all. 

[James Kay]

Jan 30, 2016 22:24:41 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

Jan 30, 2016 22:16:14 GMT James Kay said:

Let me address everything right now, in one post, since there was a goddamn rule named after me.

Nothing I did was unethical. I used the free agency rules TWICE to my advantage, yes. BUT:

1) When I used them in the Chicago trade, these were players that Chicago wanted. I simply helped him obtain them, through a trade, using my cap. Cap space is an asset, and I used it.

2) I began attempting to sign Kyle O'Quinn before he was even created in the sim. His signing was completely and entirely unrelated to this trade. I love Kyle, I'm a Knicks fan, and I saw a lot of potential and signed him to better my team. I'm sure Kyle understands that he was traded for a superstar. That happens in the NBA. I only wish the best for Kyle in the future. I don't believe my signing was unethical in the slighest.

Lastly, and most importantly, the players that I signed: Brewer, Tolliver, Acy, Wright, Wolters - These were players not making any money. I paid them millions of dollars. I don't believe paying Nate Wolters over four million dollars for simply being a part of a trade.

Was this a loophole? Yes. Did this require a rule-change? Yes. Were any of my actions unethical or unfair to the players involved? Not. In. The. Slightest.

(Btw, this has been going on way before now. I've seen players signed for trade purposes many times in the past).

You're truly misinformed if you don't think this is unethical. The fact that you used the word loophole spells it out; even more so that a rule was made to prevent your behavior from happening again. Do you really think your argument that paying wolters almost 5 million buys you any credit? That is the dumbest argument I have heard on these boards. Would you really sign him for taut much if you didn't have an unethical agenda behind it? Not at all. 

What is your point ? What was unethical about it ? Genuine question - I don't know what you mean. Who was hurt ?

[Kevin Hollis]

I don't care about the trade at all, for the most part. Westbrook is moving to the other conference, good for us on the west. However, I just don't like shady people and your actions reflect that.

[James Kay]

Jan 30, 2016 22:26:58 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

I don't care about the trade at all, for the most part. Westbrook is moving to the other conference, good for us on the west. However, I just don't like shady people and your actions reflect that.

Damn. I don't think what I did was shady at all. Sorry man, I signed a player and traded him for salary purposes. Would it be better if I waited a month as the current rule dictates? What was so wrong with paying someone 4 million dollars I don't get it

[Kevin Hollis]

Jan 30, 2016 22:26:16 GMT James Kay said:

Jan 30, 2016 22:24:41 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

You're truly misinformed if you don't think this is unethical. The fact that you used the word loophole spells it out; even more so that a rule was made to prevent your behavior from happening again. Do you really think your argument that paying wolters almost 5 million buys you any credit? That is the dumbest argument I have heard on these boards. Would you really sign him for taut much if you didn't have an unethical agenda behind it? Not at all. 

What is your point ? What was unethical about it ? Genuine question - I don't know what you mean. Who was hurt ?

Do you even know what unethical means? No one has to be hurt for something to be unethical. You made moves that aren't morally correct and were essentially cheating the system even if it was not spelled out.

[Kevin Hollis]

It's all fine and dandy, but I agree with Toronto when he says player agents should reflect back on this during the upcoming free agency.

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

Come on guys, why hate James Kay that much?

But just want to inform you that we have an agreement that if I get into the playoffs, he will eat a shoe. So, I am open for any help that you can give me with my drive to the playoffs.

Thank you and good luck James.

[Julius Erving]

I accept. Hate to say goodbye to the best player on my team but we need to move on and be a better team. I know that Russ will be happy with Wiggins, Ibaka, and Noel.

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

In serious note, will this trade push through? or will it be queued ?

[James Kay]

Jan 30, 2016 22:30:21 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

Jan 30, 2016 22:26:16 GMT James Kay said:

What is your point ? What was unethical about it ? Genuine question - I don't know what you mean. Who was hurt ?

Do you even know what unethical means? No one has to be hurt for something to be unethical. You made moves that aren't morally correct and were essentially cheating the system even if it was not spelled out.

Jan 30, 2016 22:32:12 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

It's all fine and dandy, but I agree with Toronto when he says player agents should reflect back on this during the upcoming free agency.

uh.. do YOU even know what unethical means?

There was no egregious breach of ethics here. I had cap space. I simply utilised that cap space within the rules to benefit my team, and not to the unfair detriment of anyone else. Every other person could have done exactly what I did. This was not "cheating" the system at ALL. I was able to sign a player BECAUSE I had so diligently monitored and maintained cap space.

GTFO Kevin. I KNOW and everyone else should know that you were gunning for Westbrook as well and your comments are - at best - a conflict of interest, and at worst malevolent and intended to discredit me as a GM so that you have a better shot at him in the off-season.

[James Kay]

Honestly I liked you as a person and a GM and im rather hurt you're calling me shady and unethical all because I signed Nate Wolters to make salaries work. SMH.

[Jeremiah Hill]

Jan 30, 2016 22:10:37 GMT @riogho said:

Jan 30, 2016 22:02:25 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

I'm just talking about how Jeremiah just obviously assumed Reggie Jackson will leave, and therefore the trade is bad for Indiana.

If Indiana resigns (he would sign an extension if this trade happened in real life) Reggie Jackson, then this trade is a slam dunk for him. However, the stigma in our league is that unless you have bird rights you basically have no advantage in free agency, and that's a bad bad thing for realism & competitive balance.

If this trade happened in real life, Reggie Jackson would 100% sign a huge extension to stay in Indiana, but the way this league works, everyone seems to just think he would bolt... Getting 100% about face outcomes from the way real life works isn't a good thing. It just also distorts player value a lot from what it should be. 

Because Reggie Jackson would never have agreed to sign an extension with this Indiana team.

[Jeremiah Hill]

I disagree with anything James Kay doing being unethical. I know a lot of GMs have signed a guy here and their to make salary work. I've done it before. Usually not to cover that much of a difference in salary but I've done it regardless.

What I consider to be worse is signing a guy off the free agents list ONLY because they are breaking out with plans of trading in a week. Thats not happening here.

I actually like the trade for Charlotte and Sacramento, I think this is a lot better pull for Westbrook than I anticipated them getting.