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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Feb 6, 2015 18:33:45 GMT
I really think that we need to make some new ideas that we can implement during this offseason and i'm thinking of the FF:
1. Restricted free agents (i don't know how)
2. We should have No trade clause for player so that they can have the right to say no if they don't want the team they are heading to and this clause could affect the decision of a player.
3. Contracts should be like 13,239,324 and not 13,000,000 14,000,000 (for realism sake)
4. No more 3 to 5 year below 1 million contract or less on a player (it makes a potential good player locked for 3 years or more and not being paid his worth)
5. rookie contracts should be 4 years with player option in 5 year. (a 5 year contract for rookies is verrryyyyy long, some of them are still in rookie contract yet they are superstars ex. Anthony Davis a 92 rated player with a rookie contract and has 3 years remaining which means we need to wait for another 3 REAL LIFE YEARS TO GET HIM OUT OF THE BUCKS but when he has a player option in his last year he will definitely opt-out of his contract and seek for a bigger payday)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 18:36:35 GMT
1 & 5 are the same thing basically. Make it so they have a PO for the 5th year, but the team has the right to match the best contract offered to them. The MOST important thing to do this offseason is dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/5202/hard-capIan needs to go into that thread and give his opinion, because most everyone else who actively posts is in favor of a hard cap. |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 6, 2015 18:45:58 GMT
Totally agree on point 4. James Johnson and demarre Carroll are crazy underpaid for a long time
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Feb 6, 2015 19:06:56 GMT
Totally agree on point 4. James Johnson and demarre Carroll are crazy underpaid for a long time we did address it we change it from 4 years to 2 years. I was able to get Carroll for dirt cheap before this rule came into place. for number 3: we already do that, there might be a few cases where its 13,000,000 but look at Roy Hibbert on my team for example. |
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Post by Alex English on Feb 6, 2015 19:30:36 GMT
1. Restricted free agents (i don't know how) I think we could do something like rookie scale contracts are 3 years then they are restricted free agents. This kind of addresses points 1 and 5, it's also fairly easy to track since it's just 1st round picks from the draft 3 years ago. 2. We should have No trade clause for player so that they can have the right to say no if they don't want the team they are heading to and this clause could affect the decision of a player. Who could objectively make the decisions for the players? Seems like this would just result in a lot of anger. 3. Contracts should be like 13,239,324 and not 13,000,000 14,000,000 (for realism sake) We kind of do this already. There are also plenty of rounded number contracts in the NBA. Take a look through team salaries, you'll see a bunch of guys rounded to the nearest hundred thousand. 4. No more 3 to 5 year below 1 million contract or less on a player (it makes a potential good player locked for 3 years or more and not being paid his worth) We already addressed this in a way so that minimum contracts can't be more than 2 years long. Not sure we should limit things much more because what if a player isn't worth a million per year? Team's might be discouraged from signing guys. 5. rookie contracts should be 4 years with player option in 5 year. (a 5 year contract for rookies is verrryyyyy long, some of them are still in rookie contract yet they are superstars ex. Anthony Davis a 92 rated player with a rookie contract and has 3 years remaining which means we need to wait for another 3 REAL LIFE YEARS TO GET HIM OUT OF THE BUCKS but when he has a player option in his last year he will definitely opt-out of his contract and seek for a bigger payday) I agree 5 years is an extremely long time. |
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Post by Allen Iverson on Feb 6, 2015 20:51:34 GMT
Totally agree with #5
For #4, I think we can base it on the player's age? I actually remember Billy King with this one. I'm not sure but I think he signed Brandan Wright, Patty Mills, and Timofey Mozgov's cheap contracts for 3 seasons before. Those players were pretty young when he signed them. But someone can overpay a veteran for 3 seasons more or we can say, as long as he retires, ex. Kevin Garnett.
#2, I guess the PA has the right to waive the NTC? But if the PA is also involved, I think Ian can make the decision. If both Ian and the PA are involved, the other PAs will decide.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Feb 7, 2015 0:10:23 GMT
Regarding #2.. Putting NTC for the whole duration of the contract may backfire to the players in the long run. So may I add to that the NTC should be added with 1 or two conditions to take effect. For example LBJ leave Miami this Offseason and went home, trolling  , and sign a contract with NTC. The conditions can be: No Trade if 1. Went to the conference finals or higher last season. (take effect on the 2nd year of the contract) 2. Currently have 3 or more teammates with 80+ ratings. His NTC will only take effect if those two conditions were met. Of course on the first season only the number 2. |
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Feb 7, 2015 2:46:43 GMT
which means we need to wait for another 3 REAL LIFE YEARS TO GET HIM OUT OF THE BUCKS but when he has a player option in his last year he will definitely opt-out of his contract and seek for a bigger payday)  |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 7, 2015 4:36:50 GMT
1. Restricted free agents (i don't know how) I think we could do something like rookie scale contracts are 3 years then they are restricted free agents. This kind of addresses points 1 and 5, it's also fairly easy to track since it's just 1st round picks from the draft 3 years ago. 2. We should have No trade clause for player so that they can have the right to say no if they don't want the team they are heading to and this clause could affect the decision of a player. Who could objectively make the decisions for the players? Seems like this would just result in a lot of anger. 3. Contracts should be like 13,239,324 and not 13,000,000 14,000,000 (for realism sake) We kind of do this already. There are also plenty of rounded number contracts in the NBA. Take a look through team salaries, you'll see a bunch of guys rounded to the nearest hundred thousand. 4. No more 3 to 5 year below 1 million contract or less on a player (it makes a potential good player locked for 3 years or more and not being paid his worth) We already addressed this in a way so that minimum contracts can't be more than 2 years long. Not sure we should limit things much more because what if a player isn't worth a million per year? Team's might be discouraged from signing guys. 5. rookie contracts should be 4 years with player option in 5 year. (a 5 year contract for rookies is verrryyyyy long, some of them are still in rookie contract yet they are superstars ex. Anthony Davis a 92 rated player with a rookie contract and has 3 years remaining which means we need to wait for another 3 REAL LIFE YEARS TO GET HIM OUT OF THE BUCKS but when he has a player option in his last year he will definitely opt-out of his contract and seek for a bigger payday) I agree 5 years is an extremely long time. I more or less like Alex's suggestions and thoughts here, but not to #1. Real Life Rookie contracts are 4 years under team control (2 regular years and 2 Team Option years) and then the 5th season is more or less a Restricted FA. Not exactly but, anyway, my main point is it should be 4 years, not 3. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 7, 2015 13:42:58 GMT
I really think that we need to make some new ideas that we can implement during this offseason and i'm thinking of the FF: 1. Restricted free agents (i don't know how) 2. We should have No trade clause for player so that they can have the right to say no if they don't want the team they are heading to and this clause could affect the decision of a player. 3. Contracts should be like 13,239,324 and not 13,000,000 14,000,000 (for realism sake) 4. No more 3 to 5 year below 1 million contract or less on a player (it makes a potential good player locked for 3 years or more and not being paid his worth) 5. rookie contracts should be 4 years with player option in 5 year. (a 5 year contract for rookies is verrryyyyy long, some of them are still in rookie contract yet they are superstars ex. Anthony Davis a 92 rated player with a rookie contract and has 3 years remaining which means we need to wait for another 3 REAL LIFE YEARS TO GET HIM OUT OF THE BUCKS but when he has a player option in his last year he will definitely opt-out of his contract and seek for a bigger payday) 1 - See #5 2 - I'd prefer not to allow No Trade Clauses. Trading is the lifeblood of the league and this system would add to the administration, which I already have enough of Also there are some teams that are a bit of a revolving door for GMs (see: Wizards). Being further burdened with the legacy of a terrible GM would only increase the turnover of GMs. 3 - Realistic contracts are already happening. I made a "Player Agent Guide" for PAs in the hidden staff section with points like: "Mix up the salaries on some of your signings. If you've settled on $10,000,000 per year for a player, try to make it seem like a real-life bidding process has occurred by mixing it up a bit: make it $10,572,014 just for the realism." 4 - Alex had a good point when he said it would be too restrictive. We've put in place limits on Minimum Contracts, that'll do for now pig. 5 - I agree. Let's do it like that from now and have a 5th year PO for rooks. I wont make any changes yet since this is an ongoing discussion. Hard Cap - will engage with that thread in a bit. |
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Feb 8, 2015 17:14:55 GMT
which means we need to wait for another 3 REAL LIFE YEARS TO GET HIM OUT OF THE BUCKS but when he has a player option in his last year he will definitely opt-out of his contract and seek for a bigger payday) i'll give you Bynum for him. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 28, 2015 0:11:11 GMT
I think this idea is fucking stupid. I am upset I missed this discussion. It lasted 2 days.
It puts rebuilding teams into an unfair advantage. It declines player value on their rookie contracts. I think it is terrible for the league. I can only hope that in time everyone will see this.
If we are going to implement a system like this, why not just implement RFA? And make it so that players traded on their rookie contracts, the team acquiring holds their RFA rights. Seems pretty simple.
AND RFA DOESNT FUCK TEAMS OVER WHO HAVE GOOD ROOKIES. It isn't the teams fault their rookies are good and they draft well. A player in their 5th year is likely making somewhere in the 4-7 million range, maybe more. A star player, like Giannis or AD is going to opt out. And that player will be flooded with offers. And the team that has their BRs will have one less year to plan for that rookie player option. They will have one less year to show that rookie that they are building with them and putting the players around them to succeed.
It also kills player value. It destroys it. The 5th year is the PO. I keep a rookie for one year, trade him the next, in year 2 of his deal, THAT IS WHEN THE ACQUIRING TEAM WILL HAVE BRs. IF I WAIT TILL YEAR 3, when you can see what a player's development track is, its too late. The acquiring team won't have the players BRs.
This idea is utter shit and you all should be ashamed for thinking it is anything more. It will kill teams. This is a warning.
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Post by Jay Z on Jun 28, 2015 12:09:52 GMT
I'm going to have to speak up and agree with Charles here. The NBA has made moves to ensure teams can keep the players they drafted. With RFA they're basically guaranteed the first big contract a rookie signs is with the team that drafted them. Not having RFA hurts teams working through the draft. That in itself is fine, we all deal with it. Shortening rookie deal just compounds that issue. We're married to a player for those final 3 years of there deal, but your cutting the time in half in which we'd use to judge them on and act on that judgement.
Shortening rookie deals fixes an issue that doesn't exists, if anything it just creates more holes.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 28, 2015 15:34:53 GMT
No worries guys I don't think this rule will return unless we do RFA, but I'm happy, and I think I would prefer, not complicating OSFA with RFA.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 30, 2015 0:33:55 GMT
No worries guys I don't think this rule will return unless we do RFA, but I'm happy, and I think I would prefer, not complicating OSFA with RFA. In the other league, we will be using RFA. I will informed you with the results of how it turns out when we get to OSFA |
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