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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 4, 2015 22:33:43 GMT
Current: 84 Suggested: 81 Sorry Walt! The only thread I start in this section and it's to decrease one of your guys So far this season I'm not as impressed with Batum. It's like he's not as aggressive and his numbers are down in all areas. I think we should wait a while longer before any decrease, but if he keeps this up til the end of the season maybe he should be decreased.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 5, 2015 0:36:47 GMT
I agree we should be waiting. He's been slowly improving his numbers, I think (I'll look it up and post it either way) since a big "slump" to start the season. He's kind of an ultimate glue-guy who can do any and everything his team asks of him, including good defense, ball handling, knocking down a 3, makes his FTs, pulling down 11 rpg last year when Aldridge missed time for a month.
Anyway, he does seem like something is "up" or "wrong" with him, or at least he did, to start the season.
For the year he's at...
40.7% FG, 9.5 points, 5 boards, 4.8 assists, 1.4 steals, .7 blocks, and 1.2 3's.
For the last month he's at...
44.7% FG, 10.2 points, 3.5 boards, 4.5 assists, 1.4 steals, .5 blocks, and 1.5 3's
And the last two weeks he's putting up...
53.5% FG, 12.4 points, 2.8 boards, 3.0 assists, 1.4 steals, .4 blocks, and 2.0 3's
So, he's generally rounding into form, but some of his peripherals have gone down while being asked to score more and much more efficiently.
We should keep an eye on him, I just ask that everyone realize his rating is and always will be based on his skill in almost every area of the game, just not a "scorer" like a lot of other guys are.
I'd prefer to abstain from voting for now if we agree we should be waiting to decrease him. I see a lot of evidence he may be able to keep that rating so I don't think we should really rush to change him just yet.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 5, 2015 0:45:04 GMT
I'd be ok with waiting until the all star break
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Post by James Kay on Jan 5, 2015 0:45:23 GMT
www.hashtagbasketball.com/article/player-spotlight-nicolas-batumI like Batum right where he is for now. His shooting is obviously off, but he's been hampered by a wrist injury and apparently a divorce? lol anyway I think the Blazers just changed his role to be much more defensive-focused. Check out that article. Batum's steals are way up as well.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 5, 2015 1:19:37 GMT
www.hashtagbasketball.com/article/player-spotlight-nicolas-batumI like Batum right where he is for now. His shooting is obviously off, but he's been hampered by a wrist injury and apparently a divorce? lol anyway I think the Blazers just changed his role to be much more defensive-focused. Check out that article. Batum's steals are way up as well. He's just one of those guys who go beyond box scores, and he also looks a little awkward out on the floor so people's "eye test" tends to fail them a little bit. But at the end of the day, he has proven massive skills across the board. 2 months hampered by wrist injury (something he has dealt with before) shouldn't really kill him, especially since he's been rounding into form. Good article btw!
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 5, 2015 18:49:14 GMT
I think an 84 May have been to high in the first place, imho. But I know why he's an 84 and as of right now I vote for no change, his skills are proven I just think Lillard has taken a big step up and the points have come from Batum. If this continues, I will vote again.
Edit: The ASB is here and it's judgement day for a lot of guys, Batum is one of them. All of his numbers are down besides Steals, shooting a terrible 37.5% but it is on 2 less shot attempts per game.
Even so, he fills the stat sheet up, my vote is an 80
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 5, 2015 20:42:30 GMT
...pulling down 11 rpg last year when Aldridge missed time for a month. I read this as "...pulling down 11 rpg last year when Aldridge had his time of the month."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 17:41:58 GMT
I am sorry but after reading Walt's thing in the Stephenson thread about Stephenson vs. Batum, I think Stephenson is better right now than Batum. Since it doesn't look like we are lowering Stephenson, I think Batum should be an 80.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 16, 2015 17:59:36 GMT
I am sorry but after reading Walt's thing in the Stephenson thread about Stephenson vs. Batum, I think Stephenson is better right now than Batum. Since it doesn't look like we are lowering Stephenson, I think Batum should be an 80. I don't understand how we can not lower Stephenson but CAN lower Batum? That makes about negative 300% sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 18:00:34 GMT
I am sorry but after reading Walt's thing in the Stephenson thread about Stephenson vs. Batum, I think Stephenson is better right now than Batum. Since it doesn't look like we are lowering Stephenson, I think Batum should be an 80. I don't understand how we can not lower Stephenson but CAN lower Batum? That makes about negative 300% sense. Batum's Current Rating: 84 Stephenson's Current Rating: 81
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 16, 2015 18:01:15 GMT
I don't understand how we can not lower Stephenson but CAN lower Batum? That makes about negative 300% sense. Batum's Current Rating: 84 Stephenson's Current Rating: 81 And by any unbiased account, Batum's stats are still better than Lance's. If Batum is an 80 suddenly, Lance is mid 70's, tops. Actually my research would show Lance should be a 73.5 if Batum is an 80. IJS
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 18:07:18 GMT
Batum's Current Rating: 84 Stephenson's Current Rating: 81 And by any unbiased account, Batum's stats are still better than Lance's. If Batum is an 80 suddenly, Lance is mid 70's, tops. Actually my research would show Lance should be a 73.5 if Batum is an 80. IJS Sorry but I don't agree with your research.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 16, 2015 18:45:28 GMT
My "research" is pure statistics. Presented for anyone's information, that's all. If you are referring to my opinion on their IND ratings in each category, I hate to break it to you, but I've processed over 100 ratings in the last few months, and I have ended up with a decent feel for what different Real Life #'s translate to in our rating system. I'm not perfect by any means, but if that's the part of the "research" you're referring to, I can say my #'s are at least close.
6.5 OVR rating points.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 18:55:45 GMT
My "research" is pure statistics. Presented for anyone's information, that's all. If you are referring to my opinion on their IND ratings in each category, I hate to break it to you, but I've processed over 100 ratings in the last few months, and I have ended up with a decent feel for what different Real Life #'s translate to in our rating system. I'm not perfect by any means, but if that's the part of the "research" you're referring to, I can say my #'s are at least close. 6.5 OVR rating points. I respect the hell out of you for being in charge of the RC, I think you are a great GM, and a knowledgeable basketball person. With that said, however, I respectfully disagree with your results. I will change my vote if Batum starts producing betters numbers, but I always bought your argument in the past because Batum boasted excellent shooting percentages and a good overall game. With the former dropping, I just can't go for it anymore.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 16, 2015 18:57:39 GMT
80
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 16, 2015 19:17:11 GMT
My "research" is pure statistics. Presented for anyone's information, that's all. If you are referring to my opinion on their IND ratings in each category, I hate to break it to you, but I've processed over 100 ratings in the last few months, and I have ended up with a decent feel for what different Real Life #'s translate to in our rating system. I'm not perfect by any means, but if that's the part of the "research" you're referring to, I can say my #'s are at least close. 6.5 OVR rating points. I respect the hell out of you for being in charge of the RC, I think you are a great GM, and a knowledgeable basketball person. With that said, however, I respectfully disagree with your results. I will change my vote if Batum starts producing betters numbers, but I always bought your argument in the past because Batum boasted excellent shooting percentages and a good overall game. With the former dropping, I just can't go for it anymore. Fair enough Vlade. As I have illustrated, Batum's %'s are on the rise, so as we finish the year and he is still rising, I guess your rating will go up at that point.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 16, 2015 19:18:29 GMT
Likewise much respect Walt
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 16, 2015 19:36:56 GMT
The Batum - Stephenson debate shouldn't be happening and it is only happening because Alex brought it up. You're comparing a 3rd, maybe even a 4th option who does everything with a ball dominant guard who can't not be the 1st option who is shooting an absolutely God awful percentages.
The debate shouldn't be happening and they should be looked at separately.
And, I can say, that after looking at both of the two players, the amount of pure rating points between them is a lot. And it is more than 42 pts, which is the difference of 3 OVR points.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 16, 2015 19:52:07 GMT
Likewise much respect Walt I respect you guys too, or I wouldn't debate with you! It's not needed, on my end, for you guys to tell me you respect me. Appreciated, but not needed. Thank you both though.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jan 17, 2015 5:03:42 GMT
My "research" is pure statistics. Presented for anyone's information, that's all. If you are referring to my opinion on their IND ratings in each category, I hate to break it to you, but I've processed over 100 ratings in the last few months, and I have ended up with a decent feel for what different Real Life #'s translate to in our rating system. I'm not perfect by any means, but if that's the part of the "research" you're referring to, I can say my #'s are at least close. 6.5 OVR rating points. and I'm supposedly the one with a "god complex"
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jan 17, 2015 5:04:41 GMT
I'd like to see this research that spits out a 6.5 point difference. I'm assuming this will be provided in excel format?
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 17, 2015 19:22:13 GMT
I'd like to see this research that spits out a 6.5 point difference. I'm assuming this will be provided in excel format? It's over in the Stephenson thread Josh. I know I wrote a bit of a novel but it's in there.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Feb 13, 2015 21:17:32 GMT
80.
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Feb 14, 2015 13:59:09 GMT
81 ^^
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 14, 2015 15:29:13 GMT
I guess the question should be, what are the chances a guy this young has actually gotten considerably worse?
Or, like the article James posted above, are the Blazers just using their bench more and using him in a different role?
Maybe 84 is high but I really think he's at least an 83 still. I'll just keep waiting for the season to end personally.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 18:06:31 GMT
>ITT People who think that someone like Batum should be rated higher than Chandler
lol
80
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 14, 2015 18:46:49 GMT
Enough time has passed he has clearly declined.
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Post by Alex English on Feb 14, 2015 19:42:15 GMT
80. It's questionable to me whether he ever should have been an 84, but he definitely isn't at that level right now. The fact that he does a lot of other things well is what saves him. He still needs a decrease though.
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Post by Mike Krzyzewski on Feb 17, 2015 16:48:36 GMT
80
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 19, 2015 13:30:46 GMT
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