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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Dec 9, 2014 0:40:01 GMT
Current Rating: 77 Suggested Rating: 73
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Dec 9, 2014 2:39:44 GMT
74
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Post by John Stockton on Dec 9, 2014 2:49:12 GMT
72
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Dec 9, 2014 13:56:37 GMT
73
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 10, 2014 2:41:24 GMT
72
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 10, 2014 4:22:45 GMT
Personally not going to touch ANY Rookie ratings until at least the ASB. And even then we should be a bit careful.
He just proved my point last night
15 points on 6-12 shooting, two 3 pointers, 8 rebounds, and a steal in 30 minutes. On a pretty good Kings team. Some of you are so reactionary! lol
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Dec 12, 2014 21:59:04 GMT
Personally not going to touch ANY Rookie ratings until at least the ASB. And even then we should be a bit careful. He just proved my point last night 15 points on 6-12 shooting, two 3 pointers, 8 rebounds, and a steal in 30 minutes. On a pretty good Kings team. Some of you are so reactionary! lol
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 13, 2014 0:43:06 GMT
Ah the Classic Barber "tries to be funny but misses the point entirely" post. Nice work!
My point is that Stauskas has played all of 23 games, at an average of 14 mpg in the NBA. Let's totally ignore the 74 games he played at Michigan where he had a TS% of .647
I brought up his "one game" as an example that he can play, and those of you who don't understand that some Rookies (most Rookies) take time to adjust to the NBA are missing the boat and out of touch with reality.
Still not touching any Rookies until at least midseason.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 13, 2014 0:44:27 GMT
More to the point, we based his rating on those 74 games in College, not anything to do with the NBA b/c he hadn't played in the NBA yet and now that he has, he's BARELY played. Your 22 games of 14mpg or less mean about as much as my 1 game of 30 minutes where he played well. It takes time man, can't judge on 20 games!
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Dec 13, 2014 2:01:39 GMT
I just think its a joke that Stauskas is a 77.
3.4 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.7 apg, 0.3 bpg, 0.1 spg. Shoots 32.9% from the field and 24.% from three
If this was anyone but a rookie, he would be rated in the 60s. But its cool, Stauskas is apparently better than Jimmy Butler, Khris Middleton, Gerald Henderson, Terrence Jones, Victor Oladipo, Dion Waiters, Giannis Ant., Danny Green, Nick Young, Harrison Barnes, Perry Jones, Jeremy Lamb, Marcus Morris, Mike Miller, Draymond Green, Kyle Korver, James Johnson, Mike Dunleavy, etc.
I think its just frustrating to me that we toss out a 77 for Stauskas when people are fighting so hard to get guys who deserve a 77 into that range. There's not even an argument to be made that Stauskas is better than any guy on that list right now. We really drop the ball on rookies in general IMO. This one is just particularly bad.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 13, 2014 2:30:44 GMT
I wouldn't mind modifying our Rookie Rating Process. At the moment, our goal was to get Rookie Ratings out there that were similar to the Rookie Ratings that NBA Live has put out in the past. Their top Rookies were always in the 80 range. For a class as deep and heralded as this class, there ended up being a fair amount more mid-70's rated Rookies than normal, but that was because this was such a deep and heralded class. I'd almost guarantee next year's draft class, if given the same treatment, would have many 1st Rounders in the 60's.
Stauskas is an interesting one to bash on, that's all. He showed in 2 seasons of College Ball that he is an INCREDIBLE shooter. 44.4% from 3, and 82.9% from the line. Overall FG% at 46.8, and as I mentioned, his TS% is 64.7 in his two seasons. He looked like he really developed his passing game too, going from 1.33 apg to 3.28 apg from his Freshman to Sophomore Season. He's not rated highly in athleticism, but his shot is very good. TBH it will be hard for him to ever get much higher than this rating, even if people eventually think he deserves it. There is room to bump him up of course, but he has some very good shooting ratings already, and I imagine that's where his strength will be in the NBA.
So, all that said, I know I'm open to modifying things, but at least try to understand where we were coming from, and realize this is pretty accurate to how a traditional NBA Live Rookie Release would look.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 13, 2014 2:32:41 GMT
And also, make rating change threads for some of those other guys. A lot deserve it. Especially Butler, TJones, Dipo, Giannis, Draymond...
It would help everyone to start thinking about Individual Ratings at some point in this whole process as well, so we can all understand how different two 76 ratings can be. I'm sure everyone here "understands" that, but I could literally have the best shooter on the planet and have him rated only around a 76. He'll be a hell of a lot more useful than an athletic kid who is mediocre at every aspect of the game, but they have the same rating so people freak out.
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Post by Alex English on Dec 13, 2014 4:08:55 GMT
I more or less agree with Barber that the rookies are too high. This was supposed to be one of the best classes since 2003, but nobody has made any real impact. It's actually been historically bad. Jabari is leading rookies with 12.5ppg and if he wins ROY at that number it would be the 4th worst ppg average in the 62 year history of the award.
I also get Walt's point that these ratings were made prior to games being played in anticipation of how good they were supposed to be. But we really can't be leaving them where they are when the entire class has been so irrelevant.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 13, 2014 4:23:46 GMT
I more or less agree with Barber that the rookies are too high. This was supposed to be one of the best classes since 2003, but nobody has made any real impact. It's actually been historically bad. Jabari is leading rookies with 12.5ppg and if he wins ROY at that number it would be the 4th worst ppg average in the 62 year history of the award. I also get Walt's point that these ratings were made prior to games being played in anticipation of how good they were supposed to be. But we really can't be leaving them where they are when the entire class has been so irrelevant. My only other continuation of a point here is that it's early. It's true no one has blown up yet, but it's also true we are at about the quarter-point of the season. Give them some time! That's all lol
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 18, 2014 3:00:55 GMT
I more or less agree with Barber that the rookies are too high. This was supposed to be one of the best classes since 2003, but nobody has made any real impact. It's actually been historically bad. Jabari is leading rookies with 12.5ppg and if he wins ROY at that number it would be the 4th worst ppg average in the 62 year history of the award. I also get Walt's point that these ratings were made prior to games being played in anticipation of how good they were supposed to be. But we really can't be leaving them where they are when the entire class has been so irrelevant. Remember when I said there weren't any superstars in this draft class?
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Post by Charles Barkley on Dec 18, 2014 3:32:37 GMT
I don't think we should touch the rookies until we have a larger sample size. Waiting till the all-star break would be the smart thing to do.
Can always come back into the thread and change your vote. Right now my vote for Stauskus would be a 75, he can play, he just isn't getting the minutes, like most of the rookies. They all aren't playing.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Mar 29, 2015 4:47:18 GMT
I don't think we should touch the rookies until we have a larger sample size. Waiting till the all-star break would be the smart thing to do. Can always come back into the thread and change your vote. Right now my vote for Stauskus would be a 75, he can play, he just isn't getting the minutes, like most of the rookies. They all aren't playing. He's finally getting minutes, and we are seeing how well of a shooter he is and what he can do in the NBA, guy has seen 3 coaches already and is performing well in Karl's offense. I'd like to revise my vote to a 75
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 29, 2015 13:32:51 GMT
72.5
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Apr 13, 2015 21:31:34 GMT
72 ^^
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