Dan Majerle
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Post by Dan Majerle on Jul 1, 2014 18:47:57 GMT
I think this off season process is quite unfair, like for me I have a lot cap space but It takes time to reply for a proposal if the accepted or not I have a lot of cap space but could not build a around I'm a GM willing to spend but I to wait for days decision on players. For me as a GM I really don't know what would be criteria for signing free agent if your saying players surrounding how could I sign players if it takes time to reply and if the admin replies you have failed. how many days do I wait for a response? Currently right now if this is process is continuing I'm going to get 1 year player contract below 70 rating I don't mind if my standing good for Boston if that's the case since he will have my pick next draft, I feel I could not build a competitive team if this would process continue.
P.S. for those GM sending offer to dump there players so that they have cap space think again I would not accept dumping salary cap.
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Post by Mike Krzyzewski on Jul 1, 2014 18:53:00 GMT
Are you saying that the agents are not giving your offers feedback?
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 1, 2014 19:29:55 GMT
I think you got close on one signing, right?
It's pretty tough when you don't have a few players to build around. You've got Kawhi but that doesn't mean you're going to be the most attractive team in free agency.
Your English is a little bit difficult to read so I hope I addressed your point.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 1, 2014 19:33:19 GMT
Ok I've received two PMs and it seems you are angry about the time it takes for a player to sign, you just want it to be instant? No waiting?
Player Agents need to take time to negotiate and look at different options, that's just the way it is.
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Post by Dan Majerle on Jul 1, 2014 19:37:50 GMT
Just for me how many times do I pm to get a respond? If I got a respond it is refused don't get any status so currently my decision I will bid any player below 70 with any amount.
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Post by Alex English on Jul 1, 2014 19:48:22 GMT
I think you can message back after like 2 days of no response. But this process can't exactly be instant. Just looking at myself, I easily have more than 50 separate PM conversations. If you were to add up all the replies I'm guessing I have at least 250 total messages. How can I possibly make a decision on the spot about a player?
Walt said Blake Griffin had 11 different offers I think? He can't just look at the first offer and say 'yea that looks good' and sign him to that team. He has to at least consider all of those offers, even if some of them have little to no shot of getting him.
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Post by Dan Majerle on Jul 1, 2014 19:56:04 GMT
It just not only about the response if your in my place are you not curious if there are offers accepted without any criteria what the player need, If the player needs money or other talent or how timing of the response reflect to gm decision? Just assumption how come when I bid lower 70 rating there is response immediately without any criteria?
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Post by Dan Majerle on Jul 1, 2014 19:58:57 GMT
If all the high rating players would be sign-up I'm sure I could get minute respond, just right now I will bid those leftover players so that my team to be competitive enough for this season.
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Dan Majerle
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Post by Dan Majerle on Jul 1, 2014 20:05:23 GMT
I think you can message back after like 2 days of no response. But this process can't exactly be instant. Just looking at myself, I easily have more than 50 separate PM conversations. If you were to add up all the replies I'm guessing I have at least 250 total messages. How can I possibly make a decision on the spot about a player? Walt said Blake Griffin had 11 different offers I think? He can't just look at the first offer and say 'yea that looks good' and sign him to that team. He has to at least consider all of those offers, even if some of them have little to no shot of getting him. Ok how about waiting for a week without a response? when an agent response they refuse the offer? did not get back any status or what the player wants to accommodate?
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Larry Bird
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Post by Larry Bird on Jul 1, 2014 20:10:55 GMT
Honestly, I try to trade all my expiring for players on longer contracts so that I can have more control over my own team instead of what other owners in the league are willing to spend.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 1, 2014 20:13:00 GMT
I think you're overreacting Mr Majerle. I've spoken to the player agent you're talking about and what you're doing is just being impatient. We have the best OSFA system of any sim league I've ever seen, I'm not going to change it.
On the other hand I also think it's realistic for one or two stupidly huge contracts to be signed every now and again, Tyrus Thomas is earning $9m next season, so I'll be intrigued to see where your approach of offering millions for average players gets us.
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Post by Dan Majerle on Jul 1, 2014 20:23:01 GMT
It is not over reacting why would I have to wait for almost a week to sign a player? I have offered the player 3 days ago did not get a reply when I PM again I have to wait 2 days that ridiculous with out any reason or criteria to wait? there is an agent that I did not get any reply he just reply when I pm him again after almost a week and he refuse without any criteria or status?
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Post by Dan Majerle on Jul 1, 2014 20:27:54 GMT
If I have to wait a week long just to see a refuse offer then I might just wait this signing of agent is over then I have to fill players for my team. with this current set-up as GM I would see doubts with agents handling with the players it is not transparent or being fair to other GMs or the league as well.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 1, 2014 20:38:12 GMT
If a player agent is taking a long time to respond (more than 3 days) then let me know in a message and I will look into it.
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Post by Dan Majerle on Jul 1, 2014 20:47:09 GMT
Please also try to look the salary cap it seems some teams are over the cap and where able to sign max contract is that allowable ex. Phil current cap not including Ty Lawson $63,200,000 if you include his salary that's way over the cap.
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Post by Alex English on Jul 1, 2014 20:50:14 GMT
The Sixers have Ty Lawson's bird rights.
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Dan Majerle
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Post by Dan Majerle on Jul 1, 2014 20:56:43 GMT
if you have bird rights it would still count in your cap any amount but the next player you are going to bid it should cause over the cap that you have. How about Utah when you add the Marcin Gortat contract that's way above the cap to think there is no bird right's player there.
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jul 1, 2014 20:58:33 GMT
the cap is 63.2 million. Utah signed him to a 11 million dollar deal, so he's fine.
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Post by Dan Majerle on Jul 1, 2014 22:28:37 GMT
The current set-up of agents is dubious why should they handling the decision in a solely manner then there should be limit of time to get feedback or update status from the agents some of the gms are left in the air not knowing what's happening. then these are also under cap it be those gm that are over cap should be handling this.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 1, 2014 23:33:53 GMT
Mr. Majerle, I think I might be one of the agents you are upset with.
To be 100% honest (something I probably don't even have to do), I just came off the busiest week of my life probably. I worked no LESS than 9 hours starting 8 days ago, every day in a row. Most days I worked 10, 12, or even 14 hours. Sunday I worked from 11:30am until 3:00am on Monday morning, no time to stop and check into this league.
So, for a lack of response in as quick of a fashion as I would normally give, I am sorry.
Having said that, it doesn't always matter if you will offer more money. I'm looking for best fit. I had 11 people offer on Serge Ibaka. Every single one of them were willing to offer at least the contract I signed Serge to. I'm not going to let Serge get signed for 17-20 million per season just b/c you have the cap space to do so. He signed a 12.5 million per season contract IRL just last year I believe. I like to keep it relatively realistic.
Anyway, it came down to extremely limited time on my part, and me knowing there was nothing you could do to swing my opinion. I promise you that I did take time and look at your team, along with the other 10 or so, for Serge's services. After an arduous process that lasted weeks, I deemed you were not the right fit for Serge. It wasn't even very close.
If you are not referring to me, then all of this still stands, but I think you have some unrealistic expectations in general by the sound of it.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 2, 2014 0:09:27 GMT
Not to mention free agents don't all sign immediately and the free agency period is like a month long in real life.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 4:34:43 GMT
I don't know if this stems from not acquiring Jeff Teague or Serge Ibaka but if it's the latter than I can totally understand. I went out of my way to acquire Josh Smith just so I would not have to interact with Walt again. You are a fucking douche bag and need to lay the fuck off of Walt. Honestly, you he made a damn good decision and you are just butt hurt because he didn't sign with you.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 2, 2014 4:38:54 GMT
Appreciate it Vlade but after attempting it for a long time and many back and forth messages, it's clear that Billy is not worth arguing with or attempting to talk with like a normal person.
Just save yourself the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 4:49:12 GMT
I think this off season process is quite unfair, like for me I have a lot cap space but It takes time to reply for a proposal if the accepted or not I have a lot of cap space but could not build a around I'm a GM willing to spend but I to wait for days decision on players. For me as a GM I really don't know what would be criteria for signing free agent if your saying players surrounding how could I sign players if it takes time to reply and if the admin replies you have failed. how many days do I wait for a response? Currently right now if this is process is continuing I'm going to get 1 year player contract below 70 rating I don't mind if my standing good for Boston if that's the case since he will have my pick next draft, I feel I could not build a competitive team if this would process continue. P.S. for those GM sending offer to dump there players so that they have cap space think again I would not accept dumping salary cap. I feel your pain Phoenix but I think you need to realize that it's always going to be imperfect because Ian could cheat at any time and we would never know. In addition, the job of a player agent constitutes a hard and imperfect one. Keep in mind that they are trying to judge the intentions of a player so naturally they favor better teams over rebuilding teams. I am not trying to toot my own horn but obviously the Kings are a mess in real life and I turned them around pretty well even though Billy thinks I will never win a championship. Then again, what does he really know? Anyways lol, you are probably going to need to overpay for a player, like I did for Josh Smith, in order to attract them to Phoenix. I am not saying the system does not possess flaws but we are all human. If it makes you feel any better, I still think Dwight Howard should have signed with me last year. While I cannot argue Golden State's results and it sucks losing to Mullins over and over, I do NOT think the player agent, Josh Barber, cheated or did anything dishonest within the signing. Rather, it's a tough judgement call to make and he did it to the best of abilities. This league is REALLY competitive, maybe the most competitive ever, which forces a GM to build via the draft. Honestly, the lotto balls determine a lot of the success of teams in the league. Don't believe me? Look at CHA's and UTA's progress over the last week with the acquisition of the two top picks. Basically, I completely understand where you are coming from but keep in mind that it will never be perfect. You have done a great job and I hope you will continue to be a part of the league.
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jul 2, 2014 5:55:11 GMT
These guys have to deal with deciding where these players go, on top of living their lives outside of D5. They do their best jobs to evaluate each player and make sure they go to teams that fit their personalities or abilities.
Give them a break.
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