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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 21, 2013 7:49:11 GMT
Current: 86 Recommended: 76
He is nowhere NEAR an 86 at this stage of his career. He was the main reason the Spurs lost BOTH of the elimination games to Miami and isn't even a starter. 76 seems too high for him too, IMO, but meh he may retire... we'll see.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 21, 2013 12:26:29 GMT
Well, #1 - "isn't even a starter" isn't fair b/c he has not started a lot throughout his career, even when he was better.
#2 - He isn't an 86 I agree, but he's still better than a 76.
I'd say like 82, his hardy should take a big hit probably, maybe fatigue too. He's down to playing 23 mpg the last two years, he was at 30+ before that.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 21, 2013 12:56:09 GMT
I'd be happy with a conservative 81 or 82. He's not the franchise changer he was.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 13:36:17 GMT
Current: 86 Recommended: 76 He is nowhere NEAR an 86 at this stage of his career. He was the main reason the Spurs lost BOTH of the elimination games to Miami and isn't even a starter. 76 seems too high for him too, IMO, but meh he may retire... we'll see. Ill give him 81. He's not horrible, but he was very sloppy during the Finals. Thing is if the refs would have called that foul in gm 6, we wouldn't be talking about this today. He would have clinched the championship.
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Post by Larry Bird on Jun 21, 2013 14:21:20 GMT
Can we do this after the playoffs?
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 21, 2013 15:55:17 GMT
No offense to Ian but he's not super quick with these rating changes :-p I know Ian is a busy guy, just messing around.
In other words, I doubt it gets done before the playoffs are over.
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Post by Danny Longley on Jun 21, 2013 17:06:34 GMT
I personally believe that Manu can't be accurately represented in a setting that doesn't have injuries or fatigue as a factor. 84-86 feels fine if you consider what he can possibly do, but how often is he really let loose?
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Post by Alex English on Jun 21, 2013 17:19:04 GMT
I think he's lost a little bit. I'd give him an 81-82.
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Post by Magic Johnson on Jun 21, 2013 23:40:49 GMT
Current: 86 Recommended: 76 He is nowhere NEAR an 86 at this stage of his career. He was the main reason the Spurs lost BOTH of the elimination games to Miami and isn't even a starter. 76 seems too high for him too, IMO, but meh he may retire... we'll see. 76 is harsh but not same player 80 is a fair rating.
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 22, 2013 2:31:17 GMT
He doesn't even look like he cares. It honestly looked like someone paid him, or he had money to lose. I'll admit 76 might have been due to aggravation speaking, but still say he is a fraction of what he was and that he needs a decrease. And I didn't expect it to go in until after playoffs, so people weren't overpaying for an "86" rated player in the off season.
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jun 22, 2013 23:56:29 GMT
Ya Ginobli looked like shit against the Heat, but not enough to make him a 76. 81-82 would be fine for him though, as he's isn't what he used to be.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Jun 24, 2013 0:39:20 GMT
Manu turnobili!
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Post by Mike Krzyzewski on Jun 24, 2013 0:47:22 GMT
80-81 sounds right to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2013 0:49:17 GMT
If I remember LBJ forced alot of turnovers as well. Game 6 LBJ was playing ugly at times. And even though Manu has been known to be a flopper--- he was fouled in gm 6--- which if called would have been the end to LeTravels year.
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Post by Ian Noble on Sept 15, 2013 16:30:46 GMT
76 80 80.5 81 81 81.5 81.5
82 82 85
81 for Ginobili
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